A Theory on the Satanic Hatred Towards Women

[Robert F. Smith]

3 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

I don’t think we can say that yet but I believe we are moving in that direction.  IMO there are too many individuals groups and organizations holding fast to patriarchy and tradition, and the comfort of the familiar. But many people are champions of equality, and that’s hopeful. 

Depends upon what you define as "tradition," something many religious women prefer -- meaning the right to be a wife and mother, and not to be derided for it.  Younger folks are unaware of the feminist battle for equal rights, which was won hands down.  Since then the extremists are insisting that it is men who are the problem, attempting to feminize young boys and men, since the focus of all social conduct must perforce be womanhood and certainly not manhood -- due to its toxic nature.  That is why the extremists are abandoning Title IX, demanding that biological men (transwomen) be given full access to all women's spaces and sports, and falsely defining all of society heretofore as part of horrid "Patriarchy."  Someone has been reading and taking to heart too many bodice-ripping novels, and hating on Rhett Butler -- as though he is the representative male archetype.

We see the same ideological attack in academia on the legacy of MLK Jr, falsely claiming that the civil rights movement was a failure and that racism is systemic.  The same Marxist assumptions apply in both cases, which is why we have DEI and CRT.

This is accompanied by serious attacks on free speech and free press.  That is why most universities and corporations have Chinese Communist style "struggle sessions," to force everyone to openly confess their "sins."  Wokeism is a religion.

[Robert F. Smith]

4 hours ago, Calm said:

You mean the law that drove women out of coaching jobs?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/sports/ncaabasketball/coaches-women-title-ix.html#:~:text=In 1972%2C when the gender,decreased to about 40 percent.

We see the same problem with female lawyers who have achieved partnership in law firms:  Many resign to begin a family, whjile men do not have that option.  The statistics only tell part of the story.

The view of one female coach:  

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"I feel like men are driven by work and women are driven by relationships," Dorow said. "The No. 1 reason (there is a lack of women coaches) is because women are mothers."

The statistics back up her thoughts: Though fathers represent an increasing share of stay-at-home parents, they still comprise just 16 percent of such parents in 2012, according to the Pew Research Center.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2015/02/23/women-college-coaches-title-9-ix/23917353/ .

When Title IX came into effect, it meant the shutting down of many male sports on campuses, due to limited funds now needing to be equally apportioned.  It is not at all unusual for a new law to have such unforeseen effects.

Edited December 18, 2024 by Robert F. Smith

[Robert F. Smith]

9 hours ago, The Nehor said:

lmao

Just no. Men were not “generally” taught unconditional love by their mothers. History would be very very different if they had. Yes, families often loved each other. Many men had great respect for their mothers. Those men did not generally consider women their equals.

Aristotle set the tone for his readers when he described the much lesser virtue women could aspire to. It was similar to the virtues a slave could cultivate and set the tone for the treatment of women for millennia.

Also the natural female beauty didn’t cause a feeling of high regard. It more often led to possessiveness with all the rape and abuse and jealousy and methods of control men could devise for this.

Patriarchal rape-culture?  The People's Daily, the Morning Star, Aug 22, 2024, says in part:

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The use of alcohol and other drugs is often employed as a smokescreen to obscure the collective social, political, and legal accountability for the heinous and inhumane crime of rape.

There is no doubt that all these above reasons are all contributing factors of rape and sexual violence. However, these incidents are not merely isolated aberrations; they are the result of a systemic condition that perpetuates rape and dehumanises women.

Rape is a product of patriarchal culture that seeks to control women’s bodies and labour. This is further exacerbated by capitalist culture, which commodifies women’s bodies as objects of sexual pleasure and reduces them to mere reproducers of labour power and pleasure.  https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/three-pillars-rape-culture-religion-patriarchy-and-capitalism .

This Marxist approach is accompanied by dishonest use of bald stats instead of per/capita figures.

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9 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Also men have natural beauty. Also the whole “natural” part of the beauty thing has been a problem throughout history. In the Mediterranean world the ideal woman was Helen of Troy. Like today you were supposed to match her beauty but you weren’t supposed to try to match her beauty. Using cosmetics was cheating so they were often used in such a way that people couldn’t tell you were using them. Like today.

I love your ardent and ironic sense of humor, Nehor.

Edited December 18, 2024 by Robert F. Smith

[Robert F. Smith]

10 hours ago, The Nehor said:

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“Never been more acute”? Even back when women were property or pseudoproperty? That is quite the claim.

Yes, I should have said "in modern times."  On that basis, yes statistics do show that it has never been more acute.

10 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Also why do so many religious people insult ideologies and social justice movements by calling them a religion? Is it  a clumsy sleight of hand to try to implicitly call it idolatry with plausible deniability?

Many serious philosophers, including Bertrand Russell, see Marxism as a religion.  Samir Chopra came up with the following pattern:

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The Messiah = Marx

The Elect = The Proletariat

The Church = The Communist Party

The Second Coming = The Revolution

Hell = Punishment of the Capitalists

The Millennium = The Communist Commonwealth

https://samirchopra.com/2012/02/18/russell-on-marx-as-excessively-practical-messiah-and-schoolman/ .

 

Edited December 18, 2024 by Robert F. Smith

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Depends on whether the measure is extremist, ideological claims about imaginary "toxic masculinity," or simply the observable fact that any Bell curve will have oddities at the extremes -- which tells us nothing about reality, but can be used as a weapon in bellicose discourse.  Marxist wokeism is not bashful about insisting on "systemic" problems, as defined by them.

I would like a definition of this Marxist wokeism. Are they in league with the IlluminatI?

[Robert F. Smith]

6 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

I would like a definition of this Marxist wokeism. Are they in league with the IlluminatI?

Just go and consult with your local DEI administrator at any university or corporation.  Ask about the DEI struggle sessions they hold in which self-denunciation is the way to deal with "sins," as defined by wokeism, e.g., incorrect pronoun use, automatic complicity in "evil" by merely being white or male.  See the sacred writings of wokester prophets Robin DiAngelo or Ibram X. Kendi.

[The Nehor]

7 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Yes, I should have said "in modern times."  On that basis, yes statistics do show that it has never been more acute.

Statistics measuring what exactly?

7 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Many serious philosophers, including Bertrand Russell, see Marxism as a religion.  Samir Chopra came up with the following pattern:

Bertrand Russell did not see Marxism as a religion. He made some quips about it since Lenin quoted Marx as if quoting holy scripture. The main thing Russell dislike about the Soviets was how they used a kind of camouflage to pretend they were allies of democratic socialists elsewhere. In this sense he saw them as proselyting ‘wolves in sheep’s clothing’ misleading his own beloved socialist movements. He did not see it as a religion. He was using the concept of religion as a metaphor to understand some elements of Marxism, particularly the Leninist versions of it.

I have no idea who Samir Chopra is.

[Dario_M]

Oh my, what is this topic all about? 

[The Nehor]

16 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Just go and consult with your local DEI administrator at any university or corporation.  Ask about the DEI struggle sessions they hold in which self-denunciation is the way to deal with "sins," as defined by wokeism, e.g., incorrect pronoun use, automatic complicity in "evil" by merely being white or male.  See the sacred writings of wokester prophets Robin DiAngelo or Ibram X. Kendi.

Struggle sessions are a Maoist thing in which enemies of the CCP were publicly humiliated, physically beaten, tortured, and often killed. They came about as government encouraged tattling on those close to you to find “class traitors”.

How many DEI training meetings do you know of where people were murdered by close friends and family for using an incorrect pronoun or being white?

You are being deliberately credulous by pretending this comparison is in any way valid or helpful. I know some people like to scream persecution when they are made to feel mildly uncomfortable but comparing that to torture and murder just reveals these whiners as overwrought crybabies trying to make themselves victims on par with political enemies in authoritarian states. The irony is that these same whiners often accuse other people of being thin-skinned and too easily offended. The ‘it is always projection’ saying just keeps being accurate.

[The Nehor]

1 minute ago, Dario_M said:

Oh my, what is this topic all about? 

No idea.

[Dario_M]

1 minute ago, The Nehor said:

No idea.

🤣

[Robert F. Smith]

7 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Struggle sessions are a Maoist thing in which enemies of the CCP were publicly humiliated, physically beaten, tortured, and often killed. They came about as government encouraged tattling on those close to you to find “class traitors”.

How many DEI training meetings do you know of where people were murdered by close friends and family for using an incorrect pronoun or being white?

You are being deliberately credulous by pretending this comparison is in any way valid or helpful. I know some people like to scream persecution when they are made to feel mildly uncomfortable but comparing that to torture and murder just reveals these whiners as overwrought crybabies trying to make themselves victims on par with political enemies in authoritarian states. The irony is that these same whiners often accuse other people of being thin-skinned and too easily offended. The ‘it is always projection’ saying just keeps being accurate.

Apart from the Maoist approach, nearly all communist struggle or self-denunciation sessions have been the same as required DEI struggle-sessions in America -- no more violent than an AA meeting.  They are discomfiting and are totalitarian in content, but no one gets assaulted.  I'm surprised that you believe that brainwashing requires violence.  Those with a modicum of common sense and self-worth reject and complain about that sort of Marxist nonsense -- which is a direct assault on American Constitutional values, aside from personal human values.

Equally as dangerous as the insanity purveyed by erstwhile Mormon Jodi Hildebrant -- until she breaks out the duct tape . . .

Edited December 18, 2024 by Robert F. Smith

[Robert F. Smith]

7 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Statistics measuring what exactly?

https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-gender-gap-young-men-women-dont-agree-politics-2024-1  (gender gap)

https://www.vox.com/politics/380132/gender-gap-election-harris-trump  (gender gap)

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/learning/lesson-plans/lets-discuss-the-gender-gap-among-gen-z-voters.html  (gender gap)

7 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Bertrand Russell did not see Marxism as a religion. He made some quips about it since Lenin quoted Marx as if quoting holy scripture. The main thing Russell dislike about the Soviets was how they used a kind of camouflage to pretend they were allies of democratic socialists elsewhere. In this sense he saw them as proselyting ‘wolves in sheep’s clothing’ misleading his own beloved socialist movements. He did not see it as a religion. He was using the concept of religion as a metaphor to understand some elements of Marxism, particularly the Leninist versions of it.

I have no idea who Samir Chopra is.

Nope.  Russell did not use "religion" as a metaphor.  He saw religion in general (as in Christianity) as extremely deadly and dangerous.  For him, Marxism was merely another dangerous religion.  Yuval Noah Harari (you've heard of him) sees Marxism as a secular religion.

[MustardSeed]

I’m curious in what ways you believe we have achieved equality for women. I assume you’re referring to US stats. 
 

While we are at it, do you believe we have achieved that equality in the church as well? 
 

I will not refute any statements, because everyone here already knows what I think  

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Apart from the Maoist approach, nearly all communist struggle or self-denunciation sessions have been the same as required DEI struggle-sessions in America -- no more violent than an AA meeting.  They are discomfiting and are totalitarian in content, but no one gets assaulted.  I'm surprised that you believe that brainwashing requires violence.  Those with a modicum of common sense and self-worth reject and complain about that sort of Marxist nonsense -- which is a direct assault on American Constitutional values, aside from personal human values.

DEI trainings do not generally have struggle sessions at all. Also now AA is struggle sessions? What?

I deny that brainwashing is really a thing at all.

Those with a modicum of common sense and self-worth don’t reject and complain about non-existent “Marxist nonsense”. That is the province of conspiracy theorists and the paranoid.

3 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Equally as dangerous as the insanity purveyed by erstwhile Mormon Jodi Hildebrant -- until she breaks out the duct tape . . .

Hildebrant has nothing to do with anything we are talking about. I assume this is a soft version of Soviet Commie Whataboutism? Are you sure you are not a Marxist Comrade?

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-gender-gap-young-men-women-dont-agree-politics-2024-1  (gender gap)

https://www.vox.com/politics/380132/gender-gap-election-harris-trump  (gender gap)

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/learning/lesson-plans/lets-discuss-the-gender-gap-among-gen-z-voters.html  (gender gap)

So the genders are the most far apart ever when it comes to political views? That is a much more specific claim than genders have never been so far apart in general.

2 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Nope.  Russell did not use "religion" as a metaphor.  He saw religion in general (as in Christianity) as extremely deadly and dangerous.  For him, Marxism was merely another dangerous religion.  Yuval Noah Harari (you've heard of him) sees Marxism as a secular religion.

What are you talking about? Russell was pro-communist for quite a while. He later became disillusioned with it after meeting Lenin.

Secular religion refers to a situation where a political movement gains so much widespread support and is treated with quasi-divine devotion and has people in pretty rigid lockstep. Where is this widespread religious Marxism? It is certainly not in the United States.

[Robert F. Smith]

On 12/18/2024 at 11:21 AM, The Nehor said:

So the genders are the most far apart ever when it comes to political views? That is a much more specific claim than genders have never been so far apart in general.

Actually the same is true across the board and has never been more acute in general.  That is, fewer people are dating, marrying, or cohabiting.  They are having fewer children.  Many more are completely solitary, occupying larger living space alone.  47% of U.S. adults who aren't parents say they don't expect to ever have kids. This is a 10% increase over 2018. 

Richard Reeves discusses the problem https://ofboysandmen.substack.com/p/men-without-children

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The issue of childlessness among men is one that I plan to return to; I’m especially interested in the sex ratio. The nations with many more men than women without children are likely to be of particular concern. The nations with higher rates of childlessness include some of the most generous welfare societies in the world, too, which belies the idea that there’s an easy financial fix to falling fertility rates.

What about the U.S.? I’ve been noodling around some of the reports and some of the best data I can find is from this Census Bureau report, which uses the 2014 SIPP. It shows a childless rate of 24% among men aged 45-50, with no real differences by level of education:
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In China there’s a term for men who don’t reproduce (despite desiring to): guanggun or “empty branches”. The Chinese government is worried about them. But there’s also rising concern among policymakers about isolation and loneliness; see the recent declaration from the Surgeon General. It’s important to note in this regard that older adults living alone are also much more likely to be childless. This is especially true for men: more than one in three men living alone don’t have any children.

 

On 12/18/2024 at 11:21 AM, The Nehor said:

What are you talking about? Russell was pro-communist for quite a while. He later became disillusioned with it after meeting Lenin.

Yep, and Ronald Reagan was a Leftist early on, and he is merely one of many who realized they had been sold a bill of goods.

On 12/18/2024 at 11:21 AM, The Nehor said:

Secular religion refers to a situation where a political movement gains so much widespread support and is treated with quasi-divine devotion and has people in pretty rigid lockstep. Where is this widespread religious Marxism? It is certainly not in the United States.

Marxists currently control our colleges and universities, and many corporations have DEI running HR.

Edited December 20, 2024 by Robert F. Smith

[The Nehor]

13 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Actually the same is true across the board and has never been more acute in general.  That is, fewer people are dating, marrying, or cohabiting.  They are having fewer children.  Many more are completely solitary, occupying larger living space alone.  47% of U.S. adults who aren't parents say they don't expect to ever have kids. This is a 10% increase over 2018.

Yeah, maybe we should find ways to make it easier to find economic security so people don’t consider it dangerous and irresponsible to have children. Seems like a no-brainer but the same people screaming about falling birth rates also don’t want people to have easy access to childcare or reliable insurance.

13 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Richard Reeves discusses the problem https://ofboysandmen.substack.com/p/men-without-children

Cool.

13 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Yep, and Ronald Reagan was a Leftist early on, and he is merely one of many who realized they had been sold a bill of goods.

Those two stories don’t relate.

13 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Marxists currently control our colleges and universities, and many corporations have DEI running HR.

This is nonsense. Come back to reality.

[Robert F. Smith]

17 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Yeah, maybe we should find ways to make it easier to find economic security so people don’t consider it dangerous and irresponsible to have children. Seems like a no-brainer but the same people screaming about falling birth rates also don’t want people to have easy access to childcare or reliable insurance.

Actually, Nehor, this is an even bigger problem in advanced countries like S. Korea, Japan, and many European countries, which have full, high quality medical coverage for everyone -- and yet have plunging fertility rates unheard of even in the USA.

17 hours ago, The Nehor said:

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This is nonsense. Come back to reality.

You are in denial.

[The Nehor]

20 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Actually, Nehor, this is an even bigger problem in advanced countries like S. Korea, Japan, and many European countries, which have full, high quality medical coverage for everyone -- and yet have plunging fertility rates unheard of even in the USA.

Partially due to running out of room.

20 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

You are in denial.

No, I have just been to colleges lately. You are concocting fantastical powerful enemies that have uncontested control everywhere. This irrationality must fulfill some kind of emotional need. I would figure out what that is.

[Calm]

31 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Actually, Nehor, this is an even bigger problem in advanced countries like S. Korea, Japan, and many European countries, which have full, high quality medical coverage for everyone -- and yet have plunging fertility rates unheard of even in the USA.

I don’t know much about other countries, but while S Korea may have good health care coverage, they are not family friendly in other ways.  It can be difficult for mothers to resume interrupted careers while it being a necessity due to high costs of rent and education for their children.

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A combination of institutional, structural, and cultural factors also contribute to South Korea’s ultra-low fertility, including labor market inequality and uncertainty, a family-unfriendly work culture, the high cost of raising children in a competitive educational system, and gender-essentialist family organization….

South Korea’s current fertility policies are still based on the traditional paradigm that unconditionally relies on parents and their families to rear children instead of fully recognizing parenting as a public service. South Korea’s public spending on family benefits, such as targeted financial support, is still lower than in most OECD countries.

https://gjia.georgetown.edu/2024/09/24/the-necessary-paradigm-shift-for-south-koreas-ultra-low-fertility/#:~:text=A combination of institutional%2C structural,and gender-essentialist family organization.

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Such a hefty price tag on children's education is cited as one of the biggest obstacles for married couples in planning to have children

In a survey of 1,000 working women in Korea from Feb. 5 to 20, commissioned by The Korea Economic Daily, its respondents estimated that the average cost to raise a child for 19 years from birth is 252.1 million won, 16% higher than last year when a similar survey was conducted.

https://www.kedglobal.com/economy/newsView/ked202403150009

252.1 million won is currently 174,420.30 US dollars.

Edited December 20, 2024 by Calm

[Mfbnew]

17 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Yeah, maybe we should find ways to make it easier to find economic security so people don’t consider it dangerous and irresponsible to have children. Seems like a no-brainer but the same people screaming about falling birth rates also don’t want people to have easy access to childcare or reliable insurance.

Cool.

Those two stories don’t relate.

This is nonsense. Come back to reality.

Having been on the "Philosophy Action Committee" at UCLA, we pushed the faculty into hiring  Angela Davis , noted Marxist, and student of Marcuse, to teach at UCLA, and I got to know her pretty well.

Dialectical Materialism - as a theory, without considering its position on religion- (that it become illegal, and vigorously enforced) actually is not that far off from some LDS doctrines.

"Opposition in all things" is the first part (= "Dialectical" and "Materialism" = supported in D&C 131:7)  Even spirit is "refined matter".

So in a sense, LDS doctrine includes something very much like "Dialectical Materialism"

Opposition between classes - and beliefs in the Ultimate Utopia.

Yes "Zion" is a little different than perfected "Communism"- but in a sense.... 

 

[Mfbnew]

On 12/18/2024 at 7:53 AM, Robert F. Smith said:

Yuval Noah Harari ... sees Marxism as a secular religion.

And correctly, imo.  Rather ironic, 

[The Nehor]

Thread started about Satan’s views on women and somehow got hijacked into Marxism because all evil is Marxism. I just wonder if it is because if this happened because they think Satan is evil or they think women are evil?

Edit: Or could be both.

Edited December 21, 2024 by The Nehor

[Robert F. Smith]

On 12/20/2024 at 2:30 PM, The Nehor said:

Partially due to running out of room.

Quite the contrary.  Those countries are hollowing out, towns and houses being abandoned nationwide from Japan to Italy.  Everything we were told so fervently by Paul Ehrlich has turned out to be a monstrous lie.

On 12/20/2024 at 2:30 PM, The Nehor said:

No, I have just been to colleges lately. You are concocting fantastical powerful enemies that have uncontested control everywhere. This irrationality must fulfill some kind of emotional need. I would figure out what that is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y147JTEiDg .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVy92zDd7bU .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhN3ZHz781w .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmyud5O54Ds .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omtJ_xXfC6c .

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TLdyXnjMJ8s .