Duncan Posted November 27, 2024 Posted November 27, 2024 27 minutes ago, Tony uk said: Hi bluebell Just mastered the art of responding to a quote, after a week. Many thanks for the welcome. Glad you and your husband enjoy visiting the UK. What part of England are you from?
Tony uk Posted November 27, 2024 Author Posted November 27, 2024 16 minutes ago, Duncan said: What part of England are you from? I am from one of the old English counties, Lancashire. It is in the North West of England. Also known as the Red Rose County. 1
Duncan Posted November 28, 2024 Posted November 28, 2024 3 hours ago, Tony uk said: I am from one of the old English counties, Lancashire. It is in the North West of England. Also known as the Red Rose County. oh nice! I know someone from there, she's a member but lives in Southern England now. Also Ulverston is the home of Stan Laurel!
Tony uk Posted November 28, 2024 Author Posted November 28, 2024 I have always enjoyed Laurel and Hardy.
Tony uk Posted November 28, 2024 Author Posted November 28, 2024 7 hours ago, Duncan said: oh nice! I know someone from there, she's a member but lives in Southern England now. Also Ulverston is the home of Stan Laurel! Lancashire county, has produced many varied people in the public domain. A once big industrial region. 1
Tony uk Posted November 28, 2024 Author Posted November 28, 2024 On 11/21/2024 at 10:29 PM, JVW said: How long have you been a Roman Catholic for? What were you before being Catholic? What got you interested in Catholicism? What do you think about your church? What do you like about it? Dislike about it? Why are you interested in learning about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? What do you find appealing about it? Do you have any questions or concerns about the LDS church? What do you think about the Bible? Do you have any favorite verses or books in the Bible? Do you prefer the Old or New Testament, why? Have you read the Book of Mormon yet? Why or why not? What do you think about it? Why do you believe in Jesus Christ? Have you ever had any experiences with the divine? Or do you operate mostly on belief without much personal experience? (I have a Catholic friend who falls in the latter category. She can see how God's hand is in her life, but hasn't really had any direct experiences with Him.) Do you prefer art or sports? school or work? Do you enjoy any hobbies? Do you like reading or watching TV? What kind of media do you like to consume? edit: @Tony uk Hi JVW Sorry for getting around to this reply. Getting the head around the tech side of things. Finally getting used to replying with the quote side of things, catching up slowly. I have been a Catholic since childhood, and grown up in the Faith/Church. There is a rich history, and learning side to the Faith/Church. However from the basics I am aware of, similar maybe also said of the LDS. I enjoy watching sports and reading, although my days in participating in sports are long behind me. 1
Tony uk Posted November 28, 2024 Author Posted November 28, 2024 On 11/21/2024 at 10:35 PM, InCognitus said: Tony, welcome. It's good to have you here. It's a funny coincidence that you mention the Osmonds, as I was just discussing them with my sister who came to visit us in Utah last weekend, and with someone else last night. (My life is filled with funny coincidences, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised!) And it also turns out there was a recent article in the Deseret News about Donny: Why Donny Osmond and Michael Jackson had such a strong bond Hi InCoognitus Sorry for delay, catching up with people kind enough to welcome me onboard. Tech never been my strong point. Many thanks for the Donny Osmond link. One of my earliest memories from childhood is of The Osmond's, with also Donny, Marie and Jimmy. For the last year or so, I have been catching up on the Osmond Family visit media channels. So your link is very much appreciated. 1
Tony uk Posted November 29, 2024 Author Posted November 29, 2024 On 11/20/2024 at 8:33 PM, rpn said: Couple of resources ? The "Encyclopedia of Mormonism" was published by a secular press some 30+ years ago and is now kept up to date at eom.byu.edu This are short essays about things the public might run across about the church or church history: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics?lang=eng We have just finished a modern history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which can be found online at https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/saints-v1?lang=eng if you don't want to buy the four volumes. If you want to know what we know about Jesus Christ, see "Jesus the Christ" by James E. Talmage, and "Jesus the Christ Study Guide" which updates secular scholarship. (As do "Jehovah and the World of the Old Testamanent" and "Jesus Christ and the World of the New Testament" by Richard Neitzel Holzapfel (Author), Dana M. Pike (Author), David Rolph Seely (Author) ) If you are interested in why we believe that the Gospel of Jesus Christ had to be restored (and was, by Joseph Smith beginning in 1820 see all of the known documents about him at josephsmithpaperproject.com) I'd suggest https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/mi/11/ and https://www.amazon.com/Collected-Works-Hugh-Nibley-Vol-ebook/dp/B01LDPAF50 If you are a more visual learner, Gospel Stream App has lots of video on various topics. If you have read the CES letter and want to read what we know: https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Sarah_Allen_CES_Response_Posts We believe all absolute truth and are encouraged in scripture to study all topics in the world as part of our continuing discipleship of Jesus Christ. The Gospel of Jesus Christ incorporates all absolute truth in every subject area (though there are many subjects about which we have not yet determined what absolute truth is). Welcome. Many thanks rpn, for posting these links. There is plenty of information there for me to learn. 1
Tony uk Posted November 29, 2024 Author Posted November 29, 2024 On 11/20/2024 at 11:26 PM, Pyreaux said: Catholicism and Mormonism have a lot of overlapping traditions, especially, apostolic succession, priests and holy ground. We differ more in Greek philosophy and metaphysics, but even if in error, we love a good claim to divine authority. So, if I left the Latter-day Saints today, well, call me a Greek philosopher, because I believe in priests. We both often share a love of history, good, bad and ugly. Recent times, we been both interested in the modern scholarship on the "Royal Cult" of ancient Israel. Basically, it's studying about Pre-Christian Christianity in the Old Testament. Or maybe you'd like discussing Pre-Columbian Trans-Oceanic Diffusionism. Basically, it's evidence that the Western Hemisphere had contact with the Eastern Hemisphere before Columbus. It's usually fun, you can be a diffusionism theorist without having to believe in Mormonism. But if you just recently started looking into Mormonism, then excuse me, I'll return to sitting in the corner. It can take a year or more of study in either Mormonism or just the relevant subjects we could talk about, like modern Old Testament studies, Early Christian Fathers, the Dead Sea Scrolls, to discuss such rich subjects. Remember, Latter-day Saints love questions, and there are no dumb questions. P.S. Get 25 posts to unlock starting topics outside the Social Hall.. Hi Pyreaux With all the links, people have been kind enough to forward to me, it will keep me busy for a while. I work shifts, so plenty of breaks for study. I have only just begun looking into the LDS, so I need a little time to catch up. I am now a bit more familiar with using the board, and trying my best not to get to carried away. 1
Tony uk Posted November 30, 2024 Author Posted November 30, 2024 (edited) On 11/20/2024 at 9:56 PM, Calm said: A couple of useful manuals summarizing our beliefs are here: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual?lang=eng (This is for college age kids, still pretty simple) This is a basic manual previously used for new member classes. I prefer it because it is a quick and easy read that gives the framework of the gospel which can then be filled in as you are interested. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-principles?lang=eng Hi Calm The links from yourself, and others, are proving to be very useful to me. Now that I am becoming more familiar with the board, and the tech side of things. I am starting to catch up on things now. Edited November 30, 2024 by Tony uk Repeated two words after each other. 1
Tony uk Posted December 6, 2024 Author Posted December 6, 2024 In my short time on this forum, I have tried to introduce myself in stages. Well now I hope to bare myself warts and all, so to speak. As most people who are familiar with me, will know I come from a Roman Catholic background. Since childhood I have suffered from various health concerns going to middle age where I am now. A number of years ago my dear mother took ill, with cancer. I had to become her career, a role I willingly took on. Then when she died, it was down to me to take control of the situation. A role I completed as tho it was normal. Now for the funeral part. Since then, I have occasionally binged drunk alcohol. Not often, but occasionally. One of those times yesterday. Today I have to face the stupidity of my actions. In no way do I look for self pity. However whatever the good people on this forum have to say about this I welcome. 2
MustardSeed Posted December 6, 2024 Posted December 6, 2024 1 hour ago, Tony uk said: In my short time on this forum, I have tried to introduce myself in stages. Well now I hope to bare myself warts and all, so to speak. As most people who are familiar with me, will know I come from a Roman Catholic background. Since childhood I have suffered from various health concerns going to middle age where I am now. A number of years ago my dear mother took ill, with cancer. I had to become her career, a role I willingly took on. Then when she died, it was down to me to take control of the situation. A role I completed as tho it was normal. Now for the funeral part. Since then, I have occasionally binged drunk alcohol. Not often, but occasionally. One of those times yesterday. Today I have to face the stupidity of my actions. In no way do I look for self pity. However whatever the good people on this forum have to say about this I welcome. I don’t judge you for the coping mechanism. Do you wish to stop? It appears expensive to you in a few ways. 1
Tony uk Posted December 6, 2024 Author Posted December 6, 2024 13 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: I don’t judge you for the coping mechanism. Do you wish to stop? It appears expensive to you in a few ways. Yes I am stopping. As of now. I realise the negative aspects of this behaviour. 1
Tacenda Posted December 6, 2024 Posted December 6, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tony uk said: In my short time on this forum, I have tried to introduce myself in stages. Well now I hope to bare myself warts and all, so to speak. As most people who are familiar with me, will know I come from a Roman Catholic background. Since childhood I have suffered from various health concerns going to middle age where I am now. A number of years ago my dear mother took ill, with cancer. I had to become her career, a role I willingly took on. Then when she died, it was down to me to take control of the situation. A role I completed as tho it was normal. Now for the funeral part. Since then, I have occasionally binged drunk alcohol. Not often, but occasionally. One of those times yesterday. Today I have to face the stupidity of my actions. In no way do I look for self pity. However whatever the good people on this forum have to say about this I welcome. Awww Tony, my heart goes out to you for helping your mother as you have been doing. What a hero! I believe you have an out for sure to do what you did to deal with the difficulties you've had in being your mother's caretaker. I'm sorry for your loss. 😢 The thing that came to me as I read this post is of my girl cousin. She held a temple recommend and she was brought up in the LDS church. Her dad was a professor at BYU, this was many years ago. And they were staunch members of our church. Well, my cousin was having some difficulties in life..not sure if it was marriage or what was causing her distress or reasons of her needing help. My mom told me about this when she probably shouldn't have, she was never good at keeping secrets and would say to me, don't repeat this but....and I would always tell her maybe just don't tell me then, haha. Anyway, my cousin was so upset at something, not sure what, or had reached her limit in life, that she tore up her Temple Recommend (a paper we would present to get into the temple) and then drank a bottle of whiskey/wine, not sure. So even the most stalwart of members of my church have done this things. And Tony, she had to answer questions (interview with a church leader like counselor/bishop) in order to receive her Temple Recommend, and one is about the WoW, that includes not drinking alcohol. It's the Word of Wisdom, and you could do a Google search. So you're allowed Tony, no one would ever judge you for that! Lately I've been feeling extremely down about myself, and keep thinking/hoping it's just temporary. And Tony, I don't believe I've seen a more likeable guy than you on this board! I'm grateful you're here!! Edited December 6, 2024 by Tacenda 2
Calm Posted December 6, 2024 Posted December 6, 2024 3 hours ago, Tony uk said: In my short time on this forum, I have tried to introduce myself in stages. Well now I hope to bare myself warts and all, so to speak. As most people who are familiar with me, will know I come from a Roman Catholic background. Since childhood I have suffered from various health concerns going to middle age where I am now. A number of years ago my dear mother took ill, with cancer. I had to become her career, a role I willingly took on. Then when she died, it was down to me to take control of the situation. A role I completed as tho it was normal. Now for the funeral part. Since then, I have occasionally binged drunk alcohol. Not often, but occasionally. One of those times yesterday. Today I have to face the stupidity of my actions. In no way do I look for self pity. However whatever the good people on this forum have to say about this I welcome. We all have our weaknesses. It’s good when we recognize them. I don’t know what it’s like to have a hangover, but I am familiar with migraines and nausea and I assume it’s like them. Hope you recover soon. Quote Yes I am stopping. As of now. I realise the negative aspects of this behaviour. Do you have a plan yet on how you are going to handle the next time you feel like bingeing? As well as steps to help you not get to that point? 1
Calm Posted December 6, 2024 Posted December 6, 2024 1 minute ago, Tacenda said: Lately I've been feeling extremely down Tacenda, get your thyroid levels tested if you haven’t lately. It could be that (I am pretty sure you mentioned you have to take a supplement). And if that’s not it, are you getting enough light outside these days earlier in the day? Seasonal Affective Disorder (very appropriately SAD for short) can hit you when you get older. 1
Tony uk Posted December 6, 2024 Author Posted December 6, 2024 15 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Awww Tony, my heart goes out to you for helping your mother as you have been doing. What a hero! I believe you have an out for sure to do what you did to deal with the difficulties you've had in being your mother's caretaker. I'm sorry for your loss. 😢 The thing that came to me as I read this post is of my girl cousin. She held a temple recommend and she was brought up in the LDS church. Her dad was a professor at BYU, this was many years ago. And they were staunch members of our church. Well, my cousin was having some difficulties in life..not sure if it was marriage or what was causing her distress or reasons of her needing help. My mom told me about this when she probably shouldn't have, she was never good at keeping secrets and would say to me, don't repeat this but....and I would always tell her maybe just don't tell me then, haha. Anyway, my cousin was so upset at something, not sure what, or had reached her limit in life, that she tore up her Temple Recommend (a paper we would present to get into the temple) and then drank a bottle of whiskey/wine, not sure. So even the most stalwart of members of my church have done this things. And Tony, she had to answer questions (interview with a church leader like counselor/bishop) in order to receive her Temple Recommend, and one is about the WoW, that includes not drinking alcohol. It's the Word of Wisdom, and you could do a Google search. So you're allowed Tony, no one would ever judge you for that! Lately I've been feeling extremely down about myself, and keep thinking/hoping it's just temporary. And Tony, I don't believe I've seen a more likeable guy than you on this board! I'm grateful you're here!!
Tony uk Posted December 6, 2024 Author Posted December 6, 2024 15 minutes ago, Calm said: We all have our weaknesses. It’s good when we recognize them. I don’t know what it’s like to have a hangover, but I am familiar with migraines and nausea and I assume it’s like them. Hope you recover soon. Do you have a plan yet on how you are going to handle the next time you feel like bingeing? As well as steps to help you not get to that point? Many thanks for all the support that has been shown to me. I can assure that this is the last time that this will happen.
Tony uk Posted December 6, 2024 Author Posted December 6, 2024 Today I have self assessment of myself. And I have every intention to overcome my weaknesses. 1
Calm Posted December 6, 2024 Posted December 6, 2024 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Tony uk said: Today I have self assessment of myself. And I have every intention to overcome my weaknesses. Just don’t expect perfection in this anrea of your life immediately because that will sabotage yourself. If you are moving mostly closer to your goal on most days, you are doing great. I am not just talking about not binge drinking because you very well may be able to be perfect in never doing that again, but rather the habits of thought and behaviours that have placed you in the position where you saw that as a temporary solution to your problems whatever they are. I have known people who were able to give up smoking or drinking as soon as they made that decision. Some of those expressed the belief their faith helped. But not everyone is wired that way so I don’t expect it to happen in every case, but am delighted for people when it does, Edited December 6, 2024 by Calm 1
Tony uk Posted December 6, 2024 Author Posted December 6, 2024 37 minutes ago, Calm said: Just don’t expect perfection in this anrea of your life immediately because that will sabotage yourself. If you are moving mostly closer to your goal on most days, you are doing great. I am not just talking about not binge drinking because you very well may be able to be perfect in never doing that again, but rather the habits of thought and behaviours that have placed you in the position where you saw that as a temporary solution to your problems whatever they are. I have known people who were able to give up smoking or drinking as soon as they made that decision. Some of those expressed the belief their faith helped. But not everyone is wired that way so I don’t expect it to happen in every case, but am delighted for people when it does, Many thanks Calm. I have reflected on the things that I have done, and in some cases not done. It is a part of my life that I need to change. Fortunately binge drinking is an area that I need to change. I am not dependent on alcohol, so that is a start. 1
Tony uk Posted December 6, 2024 Author Posted December 6, 2024 I've allowed the trauma of my mother's death, and also work related issues get to me. It is something that I need to deal with, and alcohol is not the answer. Far from it, issues are only made worse because of it. 2
Calm Posted December 6, 2024 Posted December 6, 2024 14 minutes ago, Tony uk said: Far from it, issues are only made worse because of it. Truth… 1
Tacenda Posted December 6, 2024 Posted December 6, 2024 2 hours ago, Tony uk said: I've allowed the trauma of my mother's death, and also work related issues get to me. It is something that I need to deal with, and alcohol is not the answer. Far from it, issues are only made worse because of it. Some outlet hopefully will help. I am anti alcohol mainly because of two alcoholic brothers. But understand people can drink socially and they seem to be fine. I hope you get some type of outlet to help you cope Tony. 1
Tony uk Posted December 6, 2024 Author Posted December 6, 2024 24 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Some outlet hopefully will help. I am anti alcohol mainly because of two alcoholic brothers. But understand people can drink socially and they seem to be fine. I hope you get some type of outlet to help you cope Tony. Hi Tacenda I've never really been a regular alcohol drinker. However, unfortunately I used this as an outlet for the trauma of caring for my mother at the end of her life. It is something I will not be doing again. I have seen to many people destroy their life with it. 2
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