John Dehlin & Exmo Lex

[Dario_M]

I don't know or you guys have seen some of they're podcasts and youtube video's. But i did saw some and i feel kinda insulted that those 2 talk so much smac about our church. Some things they claim are not even true. John Dehlin is a wolf but Exmo Les is the most annoying Portal i've seen on youtube. In her video's she claims that she was a good and loyal church person. She did all that everything the church asked her for. 

But after al while Bom! The bumb bursted and she had enough of it. She felt like the church lied to her. She road the CES letter. And without first questioning anything she left the church. That's her good right offcourse. But what i do find annoying about her is that she felt the need to make a YouTube channel "Exmo Lex" and ranted there about the LDS church. Made a whole melodrama and got lots and lots of views for it. Saying things about how hurt she felt about the church lying to her and she even felt traumatized by that. 

And because if those views she's still doing that till this day. Always finding a new topic to bash the church. She exagarete and is not always telling true facts. But she get the attention she loves so much if she does that. 

 

 

Seriously this is her latest video from 7 days ago. And i see that she is still doing this. Never get's enough of it.

She's doing this for 5 years. 

I'll show you her first video 5 years ago when she started to leave the church.

 

 

Oh my oh my oh my my my.. they even had a collaboration with each other. 

 

Edited August 21, 2024 by Dario_M

[Frank11]

4 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Oh my oh my oh my my my.. they even had a collaboration with each other. 

The last clip starts at almost the perfect point. 15 seconds later, John Dehlin talks about the ethical problems of the LDS information strategy. This is a topic that unites all critics.  

[Dario_M]

28 minutes ago, Frank11 said:

The last clip starts at almost the perfect point. 15 seconds later, John Dehlin talks about the ethical problems of the LDS information strategy. This is a topic that unites all critics.  

They (Lex Macdonald and John Dehlin) are acting as if they're such victums of the church. Horible i've watched the whole video and it's just makes me sick. I need a bucket to pulk in. 🤢🤮

Later on Lex Mcdonald talks about a bishop who sexualy assaulted 5 young boys in her ward. And offcourse that is horible but first of all that can happen everywhere. A school, a hospital you name it. And second of all it had nothing to do with her. Yes she knew that bishop but it had still nothing to do with her. But she felt so assaulted and traumatized because of that. When i heard that i was like.... Girl..you're not the one who got sexualy assaulted. Stop make everything about youself and your victim mentality.

It's obviously that she is seeking for attention. 

Edited August 21, 2024 by Dario_M

[Frank11]

4 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Horible i've watched the whole video and it's just makes me sick. I need a bucket to pulk in. 🤢🤮

Then I ask myself why you are doing this to yourself. The interview guest is not a particular expert. You won't gain any major new insights, just experience reports whose significance only she can evaluate for herself.

[Dario_M]

21 minutes ago, Frank11 said:

Then I ask myself why you are doing this to yourself.

Uhm...what do you mean?

21 minutes ago, Frank11 said:

The interview guest is not a particular expert. You won't gain any major new insights, just experience reports whose significance only she can evaluate for herself.

The point is that she's seeking attention with making the church looking bad. And John Dehlin is actually doing the same. And i find that wrong. That's all. 

[Frank11]

2 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Uhm...what do you mean?

It's a 4 hour video and most of the guests' life stories are similar in the interviews, which is why I don't even watch them unless it's on a specific topic that interests me.

But you watch the whole 4-hour video even though you've already made up your mind before the first minute.
 

[Dario_M]

7 minutes ago, Frank11 said:

It's a 4 hour video and most of the guests' life stories are similar in the interviews, which is why I don't even watch them unless it's on a specific topic that interests me.

I admit that it's kinda waste of your time yeah. But i needed to know what she had to say.

7 minutes ago, Frank11 said:

But you watch the whole 4-hour video even though you've already made up your mind before the first minute.
 

I know her and her tricks yeah. But i also wanna read the opinions from the other people here on this website you know. 🤷‍♀️

[2BizE]

So, if I understand this correctly, you do not like that people share their own lived experiences on YouTube because they do not match up with your experience?

[Ragerunner]

This is odd. If you don’t like someone’s YouTube video don’t watch it. (I do this all the time with videos.) Ask YouTube not to recommend the channel and move on with life.

[bluebell]

2 hours ago, Dario_M said:

I admit that it's kinda waste of your time yeah. But i needed to know what she had to say.

I know her and her tricks yeah. But i also wanna read the opinions from the other people here on this website you know. 🤷‍♀️

I agree they can be really annoying, especially because almost 100% of the time I feel like they are misrepresenting the church and our doctrine. And often our culture as well. But, they have the right to do it so in my experience, the best thing is to ignore those kinds of channels.

Watching them actually makes them money so better to just leave them alone. It’s easier on your mental health in the long run too.

[california boy]

17 hours ago, Dario_M said:

And because if those views she's still doing that till this day. Always finding a new topic to bash the church. She exagarete and is not always telling true facts. But she get the attention she loves so much if she does that. 

I admit I only watched the first video.  Just what did you feel she said that was exaggerated, and not true?  I think she told the BoM stories pretty simplified, but not inaccurate.  And she gave references for anyone who would want to read the complete story themselves.  Don't see what the problem actually is other than the topics she brings up and why she feels the way she does.  

[Dario_M]

8 hours ago, bluebell said:

I agree they can be really annoying, especially because almost 100% of the time I feel like they are misrepresenting the church and our doctrine. And often our culture as well.

Exactly. And she blames all her (mental) problems to the church. As if the church is to blame from all of that. 

8 hours ago, bluebell said:

But, they have the right to do it so in my experience, the best thing is to ignore those kinds of channels.

Yes they have. The probleem is that she's doing this for 5 years and a lot of people are watching it. And take that for truth. 

If i say to someone that i'm a mormon 90% of the time they tell me that mormonisme is sick and a cult. 

8 hours ago, bluebell said:

Watching them actually makes them money so better to just leave them alone. It’s easier on your mental health in the long run too.

It's only 1 view though. But i understand what you mean. 

[Dario_M]

7 hours ago, california boy said:

I admit I only watched the first video.  Just what did you feel she said that was exaggerated,

If you watch the video you can see.😇 It's a long conversation. But it's long though. And for me to much to write down here.

7 hours ago, california boy said:

and not true?  I think she told the BoM stories pretty simplified, but not inaccurate.  And she gave references for anyone who would want to read the complete story themselves.  Don't see what the problem actually is other than the topics she brings up and why she feels the way she does.  

But you also have left the church (like she has done) so maybe that's also a bit the reason why you would agree with the things she is saying. But i'm just not agree with her i'm sorry. 

Edited August 22, 2024 by Dario_M

[Dario_M]

10 hours ago, 2BizE said:

So, if I understand this correctly, you do not like that people share their own lived experiences on YouTube because they do not match up with your experience?

It's more that's she is now making fun of the church. And i may find something about that. Why may she tel smac about the church but i may not say anything about that? 

[Dario_M]

9 hours ago, Ragerunner said:

This is odd. If you don’t like someone’s YouTube video don’t watch it. (I do this all the time with videos.) Ask YouTube not to recommend the channel and move on with life.

I don't find it odd to make a topic about someone that's bothering you. She is doing the same thing for over 5 years now..making topics on youtube because the church is bothering her so much. Eventhough she have left the church 5 years ago and (in my opinion) she should move on.  

Edited August 22, 2024 by Dario_M

[Teancum]

On 8/21/2024 at 1:43 AM, Dario_M said:

I don't know or you guys have seen some of they're podcasts and youtube video's. But i did saw some and i feel kinda insulted that those 2 talk so much smac about our church. Some things they claim are not even true. John Dehlin is a wolf but Exmo Les is the most annoying Portal i've seen on youtube. In her video's she claims that she was a good and loyal church person. She did all that everything the church asked her for. 

Ah well. The church pushes its message out to the world by sending tens of thousands of missionaries out.  And the goal is to convert their targets from what that person believes to Mormonism. Both Dehlin and Exmo Lex were strong active members before their faith transition. If they want to speak out, oh well. Don't watch their info  Also feel free to point out what claims they make that are not true. I find them both fairly accurate with the material the present.  You know, LDS leaders used to say that if Mormonism is true it cannot be harmed by examination and criticism.  And they would add if it iss not true it should be harmed.  Now leaders want members to run away from disaffected former members.  

[Teancum]

On 8/21/2024 at 6:57 AM, Dario_M said:

They (Lex Macdonald and John Dehlin) are acting as if they're such victums of the church.

Until one goes through a faith crisis and feels betrayed by an organization that expects our total devotion to it and dominates every facet of our lives you may want to chill a little and have some empathy.  The LDS Church leadership, for its entire history, fed a whitewashed historical narrative that was not the truth. And only when the couldn't do that any longer, they started opening up about the numerous difficult issues that challenge Mormonism's truth claims.  So yea, sometimes people are angry when the lose their faith.

[Teancum]

17 hours ago, bluebell said:

I agree they can be really annoying, especially because almost 100% of the time I feel like they are misrepresenting the church and our doctrine. And often our culture as well. But, they have the right to do it so in my experience, the best thing is to ignore those kinds of channels.

Having listened to many hours of Mormon Stories, as well as the RFM/Bill Reel podcasts, I find them fairly accurate and I think I am relatively knowledgeable about Mormonism, its doctrine and its culture. They do error at times and some of the hyperbole, especially from Dehlin, can be grating.  But no, they don't misrepresent the church or their doctrine. And I think I am a fairly fair disaffected Latter-day Saint.  I call out inaccurate criticisms when I see it quite often. If you disagree are you able to provide some examples?

[Teancum]

8 hours ago, Dario_M said:

But you also have left the church (like she has done) so maybe that's also a bit the reason why you would agree with the things she is saying. But i'm just not agree with her i'm sorry. 

Well we all have biases. You have not left the church so maybe that is the reason you do not agree with what she said and why it makes you angry. See how that works?  Like I said, feel free to point out her misrepresentations if you can.

[Teancum]

8 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Eventhough she have left the church 5 years ago and (in my opinion) she should move on.  

Sigh.  Well you know what they say about opinions.  So she should move on?  Yet the church members are taught to go after inactive members. The send missionaries out to convert.  In other words, the church does not leave people alone.  What she or anyone else does is up to her.  I have never had any desire to podcast about the church, nor appear on any Mormon Stories type podcast. And I could if I wanted. I know John Dehlin personally. I was the first sitting bishop to ever reach out to him directly when I was going through my faith transition. He actually helped keep me active in the church longer than maybe I would have. Probably because at that time he was trying to make the church work for him still. If I called him tomorrow I am sure I could do a multi part podcast interview with him. But that is not my thing.

[Malc]

33 minutes ago, Teancum said:

Sigh.  Well you know what they say about opinions.  So she should move on?  Yet the church members are taught to go after inactive members. The send missionaries out to convert.  In other words, the church does not leave people alone.  What she or anyone else does is up to her.  I have never had any desire to podcast about the church, nor appear on any Mormon Stories type podcast. And I could if I wanted. I know John Dehlin personally. I was the first sitting bishop to ever reach out to him directly when I was going through my faith transition. He actually helped keep me active in the church longer than maybe I would have. Probably because at that time he was trying to make the church work for him still. If I called him tomorrow I am sure I could do a multi part podcast interview with him. But that is not my thing.

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... it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.

Admittedly I've taken this out of context, from Doctrine & Covenants 88:81, but I believe that the same principle should be able to be applied on both sides of the "fence".

[Malc]

35 minutes ago, Teancum said:

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I know John Dehlin personally. I was the first sitting bishop to ever reach out to him directly when I was going through my faith transition. He actually helped keep me active in the church longer than maybe I would have. Probably because at that time he was trying to make the church work for him still. If I called him tomorrow I am sure I could do a multi part podcast interview with him. But that is not my thing.

I had a similar experience with Bill Reel about 8 years ago, except it was too late for me to stay. But I've said since then that if I had met Bill earlier, I'd probably have stayed active for much longer.

[Dario_M]

2 hours ago, Teancum said:

Ah well. The church pushes its message out to the world by sending tens of thousands of missionaries out.  And the goal is to convert their targets from what that person believes to Mormonism. Both Dehlin and Exmo Lex were strong active members before their faith transition.

And exactly this is why i don't understand why they are so hatefull to the church now. They loved the church. And they wanted to do everything perfect.

2 hours ago, Teancum said:

If they want to speak out, oh well. Don't watch their info  Also feel free to point out what claims they make that are not true. I find them both fairly accurate with the material the present.

It's a 4 hour video. There are plenty of claims that are just not true. But that's just to much for me to write down here. Plus i've also other things to do. 

2 hours ago, Teancum said:

  You know, LDS leaders used to say that if Mormonism is true it cannot be harmed by examination and criticism.  And they would add if it iss not true it should be harmed.  Now leaders want members to run away from disaffected former members.  

?

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, Teancum said:

 you may want to chill a little and have some empathy. 

I beg your pardon. You don't even know me in person.

 

Edited August 22, 2024 by Dario_M

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, Teancum said:

Well we all have biases. You have not left the church so maybe that is the reason you do not agree with what she said and why it makes you angry. See how that works?  Like I said, feel free to point out her misrepresentations if you can.

Like i said it's a 4 hour vid and that's just to much for me to write down. Btw..i actually have allready made some examples but then you called me insensitive and no empathy. 

Edited August 22, 2024 by Dario_M