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There is nothing graphic in Gibb’s testimony for those who want to avoid the gut wrenching stuff, hers will probably be the most religiously oriented unless they get experts up there to speculate on where the ideas came from…religion is irrelevant to the prosecution’s case except to demonstrate perhaps there is no justification for violence from them and LVD knew that as she never claimed Charles Vallow was a zombie who had to be killed in self defense or to save Charles’ soul from limbo when she was talking to police.

My guess is the defense will try and discredit some of her testimony based on what appears to be a poor memory and some inconsistencies.  They do have Charles on body cam with the police when LVD locked him out of their home and took his car from the airport and ran with the kids somewhere while he was on a trip.  Charles was talking about how his wife called him a zombie or an evil spirit called Ned iirc and wanted to kill him iirc, it has been 3 years since I watched it I believe so I may have details wrong.  Just saying the zombie stuff is backed up by other sources plus all the light and dark mind games is written up in a document they have.  Melani Pawlowski’s husband was supposedly cooperating as well and shared info.  Other friends of LVD were told about her 144,000 leadership mission too.  
 

Gibbs’ new husband can back up what happened in Idaho the night JJ was likely killed.  They have the recording of the phone conversation about lying to JJ.  So I don’t see even if they manage to damage her credibility that it makes much difference.  In the two phone calls, LVD is not taking a backseat to CD, she is not some passive follower.  
 

The prosecution also has all the history on her custody battles and Alex attempting to kill Joe Ryan because LVD claimed he molested Tylee and the court’s finding there was no evidence for that, etc.  There is the history of her using Alex and even Charles to physically assault others on her behalf.  There is the evidence of her getting rid of JJ’s service dog, not filling his medication, testimonies of Charles’ sons when they were younger that she would take off and leave them on their own when they were staying with their dad.  Even the neglect of the children when she had other things to do wasn’t some new, unusual behaviour for her even if the ‘I am a goddess walking among mere mortals surrounded by hordes of evil zombies’ routine was.  She put on a good show it seems when other adults were around, but my guess is her kids were always accessories, sometimes her favorites, sometimes she wasn’t that interested, in the end she threw them out as not worth the effort while continuing to collect the financial benefits attached to being their caregiver.

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Listening to the audio.  LVD had already decided she had been married to Moroni in a previous life before she ever met him, so she was definitely open and ready for CD’s nonsense.  He didn’t have to groom her at all it sounds like.  I wonder if she shared the Moroni thing first and that is what triggered CD claiming they had been married as well.  At least he never claimed to be Moroni…just the brother of Christ, James.  :rolleyes:  I believe he assured her at some time she had been Moroni’s favorite wife, but he obviously was willing to share/give her to CD as he was the one who sealed them in the temple…uh, waiting room of the temple (how romantic and spiritual, I wonder why there and not in a corner mumbling to each other in the Celestial Room; maybe the waiting room was empty week days? Anyway, the whole thing is 🤮 )

I think she misremembers the day (she says the day before he was killed)for when LVD told her about the life insurance for Charles because LVD contacted the insurance after Charles was killed to get the money.

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I spent way too much time working my way through her 5 hour testimony and then didn’t finish it. The headlines have tempted me back too.  But I am passing out and won’t resurface for a number of hours, so if someone else wants to highlight today, feel free. 
 

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2023/04/day-10-live-updates-detective-resumes-testimony-in-lori-vallow-daybell-trial/

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8:38 a.m. Lori just turned around, smiled and mouthed “hi” toward our direction. John Thomas, her attorney, has some family members here sitting in front of us so it’s likely she was smiling at them

I guess it was take your kids to work and introduce them to the fruitcake killer you are defending day…

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9:24 a.m. Another message from Chad to Lori on July 26, 2019. “I’m a grown-up version of Harry Potter, who has to live with the Dudleys in his little space under the stairs. Every few weeks I get to escape and have amazing adventures with my Goddess lover, but then I have to return to my place under the stairs, feeling trapped. But I sense permanent freedom is coming!”

 

Maybe his family will start seeing the light now, but I would not be surprised if Chad said he did not write them.

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The texts in the morning were mostly ones that shared already, but one stands out as important as it contradicts Gibb’s memory.  I don’t know if Thomas intends to use her mistake as part of his defense (pushing the idea she is correct), it works well for him imo. The first quote is from yesterday EastIdahoNews, the second today.  We already knew she likely didn’t know before Charles’ death because of her reaction, this makes it explicit.  I am guessing Gibb has not followed the case in the news much as this was big news when that info was first released.

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1 p.m. Thomas asks if Kay was going to receive the life insurance money from Charles’ death, there wouldn’t be any financial incentive for Lori, correct? Melanie says she doesn’t know

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9:22 a.m. Duncan reads more messages from July 18, 2019. Chad says, “I love you. This is terrible but it is probably another step in bringing down the Gadiantons, especially Brandon.” Lori responds later that she spoke to the insurance company and the beneficiary was changed in March. “It was probably Ned before we got rid of him. They can’t tell me to who of course but it’s done. I’ll still get the 4000 a month from SS.”

9:20 a.m. Duncan reads text message between Lori and Chad on July 18, 2019. “I just got a letter from the insurance company that I am not the beneficiary. It’s a spear thru my heart. Who do you think he changed it to? Brandon or possibly Kay?” Chad responds, “Wow. That’s terrible. There is no way to find out.” These messages were exchanged seven days after Charles Vallow died.

 

Gibbs did mention a few names in her testimony of friends, so her memory is likely as bad as she claims rather than her being intentionally protecting anyone…though I do think she is trying not to say anything about the PAP organization.  She is not sharing who or what these events/conferences they went to are and as far as I know they were all PAP events.  She is also just saying she has observed some kids with autism and I could swear her own son is diagnosed as autistic.  I am going to see if I can find that info.  My memory is she wrote a book and it is in there.

Also it looks like the reporters I am paying attention to are intentionally not sharing these names, which is kind of them.  I should check the witness list to see if they are listed, but probably won’t.

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"Lori: I just got the letter from the insurance company saying that I am not the beneficiary. It's a spear thru my heart. Who do you think he changed it to?? Brandon?? Or probably Kay?? He left nothing for JJ!!

Chad: Wow. That's terrible. There is no way to find out?

Lori: I might be able to see when I get his computer on Sunday. I could check the emails sent to the insurance company. It will show change of beneficiary. He must have done it recently !

Chad: It seems you would have had to agree to the change. Maybe your name was forged. You should have a good paper trail to prove it.

Chad: I love you. This is terrible, but it is probably another step in bringing down the Gadiantons, especially Brandon.

Lori: Nope. He can change it any time he wants. He's the agent and anyone can change their beneficiary any time with their own signature. I'm thinking it must be Kay.

Chad: Hmmm. It will be interesting if it got changed after he had two bullets in his chest.

Lori: I don't think it could have. U can't change it after the death date. They would review that.

Chad: Yes, I'm thinking Kay as well. She is probably freaking out that you got those computers. I'm going to shower and give you a blessing. I'm eager to get home so we can talk. It really will be okay, my love. You are wonderful.

 

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10 a.m. Court taking a 15 minute break.

9:58 a.m. Boyce says if her attorney is here as personal counsel in regards to matters in Arizona, it should be ok to have Zulema’s attorney in the courtroom during her testimony. Her attorney is Garrett Smith, who also represented Melani and Ian Pawlowski. 

9:57 a.m. Prosecuting attorney Rachel Smith says Zulema’s attorney is here more for aide and counsel. Smith says there is zero evidence that Zulema will take the fifth and her attorney is here “out of an abundance of caution.” Zulema was offered a limited-use immunity agreement signed four years ago with prosecutors.

9:54 a.m. Zulema’s charge is from 1998 and was for felony drug possession. Thomas argues it’s not appropriate for Zulema’s attorney to be here as he’s not licensed in Idaho. The defense says it will not bring up Zulema’s prior charge.

9:51 a.m. Madison County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Spencer Rammell says the next witness is Zulema Pastenes and the prosecution has recently learned of a criminal conviction in Arizona in the 1990s. Zulema is here with an attorney

 

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11:50 a.m. Lori always told Zulema she had a connection with the number 711. Lori mentioned it all the time and said she had a spiritual connection with the number. Lori told Zulema it was 711 when Charles died so his death was all orchestrated by God and Hiplos had been delivered to her and Alex.

11:49 a.m. Zulema asked Lori why she moved to Texas with Charles after all the problems she had with him. Lori said she needed to go so she could get her finances straight. 

11:48 a.m. Lori said this was a powerful demon and the castings were not working. Lori said Charles moved to Texas because there were doctors to help people who were possessed by demons and they could help keep the bodies alive. Alex was aware of all of this, Zulema says.

11:46 a.m. Lori moved to Texas but she asked Zulema and the other women to be on a conference call for another casting so Hiplos could be removed from Charles. Christina, Nicole, Melanie Gibb, Melani Boudreaux, Lori and Zulema participated in this casting. Zulema says several castings were done on Charles during this time.

11:45 a.m. Lori said Ned had been removed but now a more powerful demon had possessed Charle and this time it was a demon “expert” named Hiplos that had done the same things for hundreds of years. 

11:43 a.m. Lori is looking at Zulema as she testifies and doesn’t show much emotion. Zulema says if someone is dark/a demon, they are considered dangerous. Alex believed this more than anyone else, Zulema says.

11:42 a.m. After the casting, Lori called Chad and was very confident that it had worked. Lori had told the group they needed to fast like Jesus did and they could not eat until after the casting.

11:41 a.m. During the second casting, everyone had a different part. Smith asks Zulema was Alex’s part was. She takes a minute to think and then says she believes Alex was a warrior but she doesn’t exactly remember who he was. Lori assigned everyone’s roles.

11:39 a.m. Then Chad and Lori said Alex had been exalted in other creations and had been on other earths multiple times. Because of this, he was now a powerful spiritual being. Zulema says Alex believed this and was very excited to find out who he was.

11:38 a.m. Zulema was told another casting needed to be done to get rid of Ned. This was done at Zulema’s house again. Nicole, Serena, Melanie Gibb, Alex Cox and Lori were all there. Lori and Chad originally said Alex was a “first creation” – meaning it was his first time on earth and he wasn’t as spiritual as other people so certain things could not be discussed in front of him.

11:35 a.m. Zulema says at the end of the casting, Lori called Chad to verify if it worked. Chad told Lori it worked but then later Lori and Chad said even though the demon had been cast out, another more powerful and skillful demon named Ned had come into Charles.

11:34 a.m. Second photo shows Zulema with Melanie Gibb and Serena Sharp standing like warriors with their hands out and their fingers shaped like guns. This was the first time Zulema had ever done a casting.

Zulema has a much better memory.  Much more emotional than Gibb, who often seems emotionally distant to me.

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12:55 p.m. Zulema says one day Lori told her she was moving to Rexburg because part of her mission needed to be done in Idaho. Alex and Lori, along with JJ and Tylee, moved into the same apartment complex. Lori told Zulema she was receiving social security benefits from the death of Tylee’s dad and JJ was receiving social security from Charles dying. Lori said because she had been married for over ten years to Charles, she was also receiving social security. The total amount was around $6,000 a month so she said she didn’t need to work.

 

 

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12:58 p.m. Zulema went and stayed with Alex in Rexburg in September. Zulema never saw Tylee and asked Lori where Tylee was. “She had to be freed,” Lori told Zulema. Zulema asked what she meant by that and Lori lifted her hand, put it up to Zulema’s face and said, “Don’t ask.”

Ugh!

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1:16 p.m. Zulema had no communication with Chad and Lori as they were in Hawaii. Zulema says Alex was communicating with them but when Alex left Rexburg to visit her in Arizona, they stopped communicating with him. He was upset and said something like, “Can you believe they are being such jerks after how much I helped them and now they don’t want to talk to me?”

I am guessing being in Hawaii on their own turned out to be more fun than being cult leaders.

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1:21 p.m. On the night Tammy was shot at, Melani B., Lori and Zulema were at the casting. Lori said she received some new information on the casting. They were going to be using the cosmos and Lori kept telling Zulema how awesome she was. Lori then got a call and Zulema said Lori was “very, very angry – scary angry.” Lori was using terms such as “idiot” and “moron” and she was very angry with whoever was on the phone. Lori then said to Zulema, “Idiot can’t do anything right by himself.”

Lots of new stuff in Zulema’s testimony confirming State’s case, imo.  So far a better witness for them than Gibb imo.

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1:29 p.m. Zulema went to Alex and said, “How can Kay be looking for JJ when JJ is supposed to be with her?” Alex responded, “I know” but he didn’t answer her.

 

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1:33 p.m. Zulema asked Alex if he had anything to do with Tammy’s death. He wouldn’t answer. She began pressuring him for information and said things were very “weird.” She kept asking, “Where are Lori and Chad?” Alex eventually responded, “I think I’m being their fall guy.” Zulema said, “Fall guy for what? What have you done that you would be the fall guy for?” Zulema said she was very frustrated because Alex wouldn’t say much. He eventually said, “Either I am a man of God or I am not.” Alex died the next day.

1:31 p.m. On Dec. 11, Alex was on the phone with Chad and Lori. Zulema walked in the room and Chad and Lori told Alex that Tammy’s body was being exhumed. Zulema was very confused about why they would be exhuming Tammy’s body. Zulema asked why this would be happening if she died of natural causes.

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1:48 p.m. Zulema says one way to prevent another evil spirit from entering is by binding the body. Another way is using fire. Remember – JJ’s body was bound with duct tape and Tylee’s body was burned.

1:46 p.m. Another page of the journal says, “cast out” and “get rid of them.” Smith asks Zulema had to destroy the body once an evil spirit is cast out of it. Zulema says that Lori and Chad taught every time a demon is passed out, the two minute window leaves an opening for another one to come in. To prevent another demon from coming in, you need to do certain things like using water and fire to destroy the body.

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2:12 p.m. Zulema asked Alex how he felt after shooting someone following Charles’ death. Alex responded, “He was a zombie.” Lori told Zulema that JJ was going to have a very short life and at a meeting in August 2019, Chad said JJ would have a very short life because he was going to come right back at Colby Ryan’s child. Alex believed all of this, according to Zulema.

 

 

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2:53 p.m. Thomas asks Zulema if her views on the casting and light work has changed. She responds, “There are two children that have died and a mother of five who have died. I will consider that evil. Yes, sir.” Zulema says Chad and Lori’s work had a direct tie to the children and spouse who died.

2:52 p.m. Zulema says she had been married multiple times before Chad gave her a blessing saying she would get married. Thomas asks for clarifications on the castings. She says nobody was ever physically harmed – it was meant to bind the spirit of the person.

 

And yet…

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1:48 p.m. Zulema says one way to prevent another evil spirit from entering is by binding the body. Another way is using fire. Remember – JJ’s body was bound with duct tape and Tylee’s body was burned.

1:46 p.m. Another page of the journal says, “cast out” and “get rid of them.” Smith asks Zulema had to destroy the body once an evil spirit is cast out of it. Zulema says that Lori and Chad taught every time a demon is passed out, the two minute window leaves an opening for another one to come in. To prevent another demon from coming in, you need to do certain things like using water and fire to destroy the body.

 

Further clarification of ZP’s understanding:

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3:21 p.m. Zulema says the entire goal was to cast out and banish the evil spirit. This entire hand-written chart shows how to do this with Biblical scriptures listed on the paper.

3:18 p.m. Burning as on the fifth level of the priesthood chart. The sixth level is escorting and the seventh level is sealing. Zulema says escorting is when the evil spirit is escorted out of the seventh level is sealing the spirit out of the body. The next level is to banish, then expel, reject, purge and then evict the evil spirit.

3:17 p.m. Thomas asks how someone would burn the body or around the body. Zulema says it was done spiritually and verbally during the casting. “You verbally describe burning.” Zulema says it had nothing to do with physical burning.

3:15 p.m. Zulema says she now knows Chad and Lori did not have the authority to cast out evil spirits but she believes evil spirits can be cast out because Jesus did it when he was alive.

3:12 p.m. Zulema explaining Chad and Lori taught that to prevent another demon from taking over the body, you have two minutes to burn around the body to prevent another demon from going into the body.

More tomorrow 

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2023/04/day-10-live-updates-alex-coxs-widow-says-chad-and-lori-daybell-taught-demons-needed-to-be-bound-or-burned/

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According to Justin Lum via WS:

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This is big for family members of Charles Vallow, still seeking justice for his murder. In June of 2021, Lori was indicted on one count of conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder.

It would seem this info was not publicly released.  Good to know it is waiting in the wings whatever this trial yields.  Added:  it was released https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/30/us/lori-vallow-charged-charles-vallow-death/index.html

I am not sure why it is big unless it is just the forensic details being released showing Charles was shot while lying down apparently and no CPR was administered in all probability.  There was already quite a bit of info released, but to be able to hear it in court as part of a case probably feels like Charles is being officially vindicated.

 

Added:  Charles Vallow’s ex wife had an interview with Eaton and Lum.  She said it was a surprise that Charles’ case was brought up in court. She is happy with how it’s been done so far. 

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8 hours ago, Calm said:

I guess it was take your kids to work and introduce them to the fruitcake killer you are defending day…

While, certainly, if I were a defense attorney, the prospect of introducing someone like Ms. Vallow to members of my family might give me pause, there might be "method to [Mr. Thomas's] madness," as it were.  Defense attorneys want to do everything they can to humanize their clients, including, perhaps, allowing jurors to witness positive interactions between their clients and their families.  (Though I'm not sure how much jurors witness such intetactions.)

As for any purported "madness" in Ms. Vallow, you had best hope that no jurors think her "mad," else she escape just punishment.  Just sayin'!

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5 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

While, certainly, if I were a defense attorney, the prospect of introducing someone like Ms. Vallow to members of my family might give me pause, there might be "method to [Mr. Thomas's] madness," as it were.  Defense attorneys want to do everything they can to humanize their clients, including, perhaps, allowing jurors to witness positive interactions between their clients and their families.  (Though I'm not sure how much jurors witness such intetactions.)

As for any purported "madness" in Ms. Vallow, you had best hope that no jurors think her "mad," else she escape just punishment.  Just sayin'!

You can be fruitcake imo without being insane.

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2 hours ago, Calm said:

You can be fruitcake imo without being insane.

Okay.  Fair enough.  I'm not sure what the technical (DSM-V???) definition of "fruitcake" is. ;) :D 

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10 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

Okay.  Fair enough.  I'm not sure what the technical (DSM-V???) definition of "fruitcake" is. ;) :D 

Mine is all jumbled together and not making much sense…just as what happens to everything that gets thrown into a fruitcake and the result.

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2 hours ago, Tacenda said:

This is going to sound bad, but there's one reason for not getting tied into a religion. 

Yes, it does sound bad and it’s shallow analysis.  There are plenty of teachings in religion that if truly “tied into” would prevent this type of treatment of one’s family and others.  

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Zulema says she told them she wouldn’t be able to find a good job in Rexburg if she left Arizona. ZP: Lori told me don’t worry about it. “Melani (Boudreaux) has enough for all of us.”…

ZP says Melani had received a $100K divorce settlement after splitting up with Brandon Boudreaux.

From Lum…

LVD was quite the freeloader

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I can’t remember this just keep the weird coming side story that well, so wondering if it ever got posted:

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/10/alex-coxs-widow-tells-police-about-a-hidden-bag-and-the-bizarre-massage-he-gave-her-zulema-pastenes/

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It was Saturday, Nov. 30, 2019 in the middle of the day. Cox, a massage therapist, had never given Pastenes a massage and said they needed to go to Walmart first to buy a large plastic drop cloth commonly used for painting projects.

They purchased the item, returned to their room and he spread the cloth over the bed. Pastenes remembers lying down and quickly falling asleep.

“I was really, really (relaxed) – like when you’re trying to wake up and can’t,” Pastenes recalled. “I was thinking, ‘Why am I so relaxed and can’t wake up?’ I was in and out and could hear him talking and I was like, ‘Who is he talking to?'”

Pastenes said it sounded like Cox was chatting with somebody on the phone in the bathroom. When she was finally able to wake herself up, she asked her new husband who he had been talking to.

“He’s like, ‘Nobody. I was talking to myself,'” Pastenes said. 

She took a bath and then suggested to Cox that they should watch a movie together. He was doing something on his phone and acted “super quiet.”

“Alex is usually joking and he would find a way to turn things into a joke. He was always making you laugh but he said nothing for the rest of the evening,” Pastenes said. “I asked if he was ok and he said, ‘I’m just tired.’ The fact he was quiet and said nothing – that’s so not Alex. Alex is not quiet.”

 

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Less than two weeks later, on Dec. 12, 2019, her husband died of natural causes, according to a medical examiner. An autopsy report indicates Cox had blood clots wedged into the arteries of his lungs. He was 51.

“Like one or two days before he passed, he said to me, ‘Zulema, if anything happens to me, I want you to know that there is money in a bag in the closet and it’s for you. It’s not much but it’s for you,'” Pastenes told police in the video released this week. “I said, ‘Don’t say things like that Alex. Why would you say something like that?’ He said, ‘Just in case.'”

Pastenes explained there was a black duffle bag in the closet. Inside was a plastic Ziploc bag holding five to seven thousand dollars and next to it was headphones, a phone and a gun in a case. The phone was seized by police but Pastenes told detectives she still has the duffle bag and everything else in it.

I can’t remember if I watched the Dateline special where this was mentioned, but apparently Alex Cox had been a registered massage therapist in Texas, but got his license revoked for sexual misconduct.  He was a truck driver at the time of his death, I believe, when he chose to work.

In digging deeper I found this recording below from his exwife talking to police.  Haven’t listened it yet, will post anything useful if I do end up listening.  According to where I found it (Reddit), if I understood correctly the misconduct was with a 15 year old, but she might have been describing another incident.  There are some other rumors out there about him and underage girls and/or prostitutes.   There is an interview (I think from police documents but it was posted on Reddit without a citation) with a twentysomething Colombian woman who met Alex when he was down there on a sex tour. He said he was kicked  out of the Church because he liked sex too much.  There is a book out there, no idea how credible it is as only read about it once, that claims Alex sexually abused his sister, LVD, when they were growing up (I think he was four years older than her) and there is some speculation (quite a bit actually from the very beginning iirc) that this relationship continued as adults, with LVD treating him more like a boyfriend than a brother in front of others.  Colby in an interview made the same sort of observation, that she treated him more like a boyfriend than her son at times in terms of how she talked to him.  Some are speculating that this childhood abuse will be part of LVD’s defense as what made her so susceptible to Chad and how he was able to dominate her, which is the only reason I am posting in this detail.  I probably won’t get into this more unless it actually becomes part of the trial.

https://youtu.be/zHa86ymmkGk (exwife’s interview)

  

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Another weirdness…the cult stuff may have started with a fondness for Julie Rowe…

https://www.annielytics.com/blog/personal/timeline-events-around-disappearance-of-tylee-ryan-jj-vallow/

 

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Early 2017: Approximate time Lori Vallow and Alex Cox start listening to podcasts (source).

Note: I surmised this date from Janis’ recollection that Lori and Alex started listening to podcasts together when Lori and the fam returned from Hawaii. According to one confidential source they returned in early 2017. They said Tylee had just wrapped up the fall semester.

11/5/17: Lori Vallow records a disturbing rendition of the song “Hallelujah” where she describes her indoctrination of Alex into her belief system (source).

Note: I’ll highlight some of the more significant lines from the verses, but it’s incredibly insightful into her manipulation of her low-IQ, psychopathic brother.

I heard there was a new podcast
Alex played and it pleased the Lord
He had no idea how it would change him
It started out with Julie Rowe
And it turned on the light you know
And he was changed forever in an instant

 

He started small to build the light
Darkness went away at night
The Lord began to fill him Hallelujah
He read a book on paradise
He cried out all his tears at night
And fell upon his knees now Hallelujah

 

He knows there is a God above
He surely taught him how to love
And that confirms his end times every day now
The darkness now has left his heart
And he knows how to play his part
And Jesus smiles down on him forever

 

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I am so getting sucked in again…

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On or about September 8. 3019, Chad Guy Daybcll Googlcd "53w wind” and Visited a website entitled "What is the definition of SSW wind direction?"

This would be signs of premeditation imo depending on the time of Tylee’s death that day, would definitely show Chad was a part of it from the getgo and not just appealed to for the burial, imo.  This is not surprising because he was pushing Tylee’s major darkness from shortly after the two first met.  I feel so sorry for this girl.  According to her brother, she was broken-hearted about Charles’ death while LVD was pretty much telling everyone it was her fault (Tylee supposedly was fighting with Charles all the time and LVD was having to save her).

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR22211623/Indictment.pdf

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Hadn’t seen the Dispensation Presidencies lists before:.  Had seen odd grafting in apostles and prophets into their past lives though.  Bet some of those names (friends, not church leaders) got several visits and deep background checks from LEOs.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3fh8oy56d1161fa/chad-lori-belief-and-ratings-documents.pdf

Looks like Gibb got divorced for the same reason…Chad may have told her that her husband was possessed.  Which means she was more into believing it than she comes across in her own interviews.  Zulema’s texts seem to lean more to actual harm too, imo; not just spiritual casting out of demons.  She may be hiding her actual intent or maybe faced with the reality of the children’s death, she has convinced herself she didn’t mean actual physical harm. (I need to provide a link if I haven’t above, but it is in Cushing’s timeline sources (all the Dropbox stuff is hers).  Summer Shiflet, LVD’s sister appears to be more involved from the texts too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a0xnxu2uhj618cc/brendan-met-tylee-jj.png

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qiocn89q0ezzor5/summer-said-she-would-kill-him-herself.png

The bishop must have suspended LVD’s temple recommend after Charles appealed to him for help when LVD stole his truck and other stuff and business’ money.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/whzw1jrqhnyecrj/charles-told-lori-temple-recommend-suspended.png

 Charles reacts to LVD’s disappearance and drama by starting an online relationship…who apparently was a scammer.  Just when I think this couldn’t get weirder or more complicated.  I would have thought he would have avoided anything because of the accusation of cheating and his offer to take a polygraph to prove it.  There is another source that has him going on a date the night before he was killed.  He was separated at the time, but not divorced.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qdrmmpqioyw0kw5/charles-catfished.pdf

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On 07/10/19, Charles told [redacted Gmail address] he was moving on and going back to the LDS Planet dating site. He did not send another message. [redacted Gmail address] sent him messages on 07/13/19 and 07/17/19.

https://www.annielytics.com/blog/personal/timeline-events-around-disappearance-of-tylee-ryan-jj-vallow/

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/fs0jgnbp4r94wj3/cpd-interview-nancy-jo-charles-date.pdf

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