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You see the two incidents as analogous?

I don’t know whether to laugh or to weep.

A word that was used to denigrate a race of people in slavery and later to help hold them in a position of inferiority IS NOT the same as a generic insult, even if that insult uses a “bad word”. This is not hypocrisy. It reminds me of one of the saddest things I learned about the Access Hollywood incident where some people verbally assumed the left was upset that the presidential candidate used the word pu***. It didn’t occur to them that the person bragging about sexual assault might be the real concern. In this case it is not the insult that matters. Sports fans throwing around insults is almost a cliche. It is the racism that is the problem.

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1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

You see the two incidents as analogous?

I don’t know whether to laugh or to weep.

A word that was used to denigrate a race of people in slavery and later to help hold them in a position of inferiority IS NOT the same as a generic insult, even if that insult uses a “bad word”. This is not hypocrisy. It reminds me of one of the saddest things I learned about the Access Hollywood incident where some people verbally assumed the left was upset that the presidential candidate used the word pu***. It didn’t occur to them that the person bragging about sexual assault might be the real concern. In this case it is not the insult that matters. Sports fans throwing around insults is almost a cliche. It is the racism that is the problem.

I understand your stance, but I see a slight difference...if they had said "f" the Cougars it might be different. But they are saying "f" the Mormons. So could it be listed under a "hate crime" according to the link and quote below? I may be taking it to the extreme, please correct if wrong. But IMO, it can cause a group of haters to expand to other impressionable people that may harm a "Mormon" perhaps. 

https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/learn-about-hate-crimes

At the federal level, hate crime laws include crimes committed on the basis of the victim’s perceived or actual race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, or disability.

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The Oregon fans were incredibly rude and disrespectful and childish.  But the F-bomb as bad as it is, is not and does not convey a racism or a racist attitude.  Unlike rowdy college students, who eventually grow up and get responsible, Racism is much harder to cure.

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46 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I understand your stance, but I see a slight difference...if they had said "f" the Cougars it might be different. But they are saying "f" the Mormons. So could it be listed under a "hate crime" according to the link and quote below? I may be taking it to the extreme, please correct if wrong. But IMO, it can cause a group of haters to expand to other impressionable people that may harm a "Mormon" perhaps. 

https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/learn-about-hate-crimes

At the federal level, hate crime laws include crimes committed on the basis of the victim’s perceived or actual race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, or disability.

I can’t speak to the legalities. Yelling that about Mormons is not civil or nice but it is not turning the horrors of our past and wielding them anew as racial slurs often do. Maybe if there was a word that summed up and excused and justify the rape and murder of Mormons from back in Missouri or Illinois that would be an equivalent. Or something like some of the anti-Semitic slurs. Fortunately we haven’t picked up many of those slurs and those I know of have fallen out of use.

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10 hours ago, The Nehor said:

You see the two incidents as analogous?

I don’t know whether to laugh or to weep.

A word that was used to denigrate a race of people in slavery and later to help hold them in a position of inferiority IS NOT the same as a generic insult, even if that insult uses a “bad word”. This is not hypocrisy. It reminds me of one of the saddest things I learned about the Access Hollywood incident where some people verbally assumed the left was upset that the presidential candidate used the word pu***. It didn’t occur to them that the person bragging about sexual assault might be the real concern. In this case it is not the insult that matters. Sports fans throwing around insults is almost a cliche. It is the racism that is the problem.

As if you don’t realize it was Rachel Richardson’s and Lesa Pamplin’s very real and destructive “hate porn” against BYU and the Latter-Day Saints that inflamed these students (who actually were caught in the act on tape) to bitterly mock and condemn an entire religion. And your statement compares the two incidents on an equal footing, as if Richardson’s highly improbable smears actually occurred, without a shred of confirmatory evidence, while the Oregon student’s hateful chant was quickly and easily proven to be real. If the mainstream media had any decency and fairness, this incident should have been widely publicized to provide an object lesson that demonstrates the bitter and divisive fruits of real hate porn. 

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1 hour ago, teddyaware said:

As if you don’t realize it was Rachel Richardson’s and Lesa Pamplin’s very real and destructive “hate porn” against BYU and the Latter-Day Saints that inflamed these students (who actually were caught in the act on tape) to bitterly mock and condemn an entire religion. And your statement compares the two incidents on an equal footing, as if Richardson’s highly improbable smears actually occurred, without a shred of confirmatory evidence, while the Oregon student’s hateful chant was quickly and easily proven to be real. If the mainstream media had any decency and fairness, this incident should have been widely publicized to provide an object lesson that demonstrates the bitter and divisive fruits of real hate porn. 

Correlation does not equal causation, teddy.

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2 hours ago, teddyaware said:

As if you don’t realize it was Rachel Richardson’s and Lesa Pamplin’s very real and destructive “hate porn” against BYU and the Latter-Day Saints that inflamed these students (who actually were caught in the act on tape) to bitterly mock and condemn an entire religion. And your statement compares the two incidents on an equal footing, as if Richardson’s highly improbable smears actually occurred, without a shred of confirmatory evidence, while the Oregon student’s hateful chant was quickly and easily proven to be real. If the mainstream media had any decency and fairness, this incident should have been widely publicized to provide an object lesson that demonstrates the bitter and divisive fruits of real hate porn. 

Congratulations! You have won the Oppression Olympics! Report to your nearest safe space to collect your trophy!

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4 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Congratulations! You have won the Oppression Olympics! Report to your nearest safe space to collect your trophy!

What are you talking about? He pointed out that there's no evidence of the BYU smears, but plenty for Oregon. And no-one seems to care. If that's what you think Oppression Olympics are, fine, but to me if seems more like someone comparing what we didn't do to what someone else did do. And then ask why that might be so.

ETA: I don't know anything about the Oregon thing, having been away from this place for a few days, and saw it mentioned first here. Did it happen?

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1 hour ago, Stargazer said:

What are you talking about? He pointed out that there's no evidence of the BYU smears, but plenty for Oregon. And no-one seems to care. If that's what you think Oppression Olympics are, fine, but to me if seems more like someone comparing what we didn't do to what someone else did do. And then ask why that might be so.

ETA: I don't know anything about the Oregon thing, having been away from this place for a few days, and saw it mentioned first here. Did it happen?

The Oppression Olympics thing is mockery of the idea that the two incidents would be morally comparable assuming both happened. NOT EVEN CLOSE!

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21 hours ago, The Nehor said:

The Oppression Olympics thing is mockery of the idea that the two incidents would be morally comparable assuming both happened. NOT EVEN CLOSE!

But what does that have to do with a complaint that the BYU incident, which has been demonstrated not to have happened, gets all the traction in the media, but the other incident, which definitely did happen, gets short or no shrift?

What exactly are you mocking? Color me puzzled.

I'm also not entirely sure if your personal definition of the term "oppression olympics" is even accurate in the case you seem to be making. Considering the generally accepted definition:

"Oppression Olympics is a characterization of marginalization as a competition to determine the relative weight of the overall oppression of individuals or groups, often by comparing race, gender, socioeconomic status or disabilities, in order to determine who is the worst off, and the most oppressed."

If you are thinking that a complaint about media bias is a matter of "oppression olympics," then I think you need to reconsider. Because it doesn't fit.

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29 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

But what does that have to do with a complaint that the BYU incident, which has been demonstrated not to have happened, gets all the traction in the media, but the other incident, which definitely did happen, gets short or no shrift?

I am glad you asked this question since someone else did all the research for me.

BEHOLD! The great SHORT SHRIFTING: 

 

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2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

I am glad you asked this question since someone else did all the research for me.

BEHOLD! The great SHORT SHRIFTING: 

 

And again, what did all that have to do with "oppression olympics"? The short shrifting was raised by someone else, not me. I was simply using their words. I haven't followed the OSU Ducks thing at all, and quite frankly I don't care. It was another poster to whom you addressed the oppression thing. 

You're dodging my question. 

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