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pogi Grand Master

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29 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

I have a beer on very rare occasions (a total of 4 beers so far this year). A 12-oz. can of IPA has roughly 160-180 calories. That’s fewer calories than a candy bar or a can of soda. So, it’s hardly a cause of obesity unless you’re drinking a lot.

I agree.  I am simply pointing out that if one is obese (which was the health concern he was addressing), alcohol probably isn't the best way to reduce calories/weight.   Drinking calories is generally not a good idea, but alcohol takes it to another level.  I am more commenting on his comment that "alcohol is not bad for you in moderation".  It may not be high risk in moderation, but any amount increases health risk. 

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jkwilliams Grand Master

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9 minutes ago, pogi said:

I agree.  I am simply pointing out that if one is obese (which was the health concern he was addressing), alcohol probably isn't the best way to reduce calories/weight.   Drinking calories is generally not a good idea, but alcohol takes it to another level.  I am more commenting on his comment that "alcohol is not bad for you in moderation".  It may not be high risk in moderation, but any amount increases health risk. 

I have no doubt it can be a health risk. That seems obvious. And I know the effects of impaired driving because my brothers paid the ultimate price (though the other driver was on drugs, not alcohol). I figure an occasional beer isn’t going to kill me. 

Time to get my dinner going. Making papas huancainas. Yum. 

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Stargazer Grand Master

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21 minutes ago, pogi said:

The science shows that no amount is safe.  Can you refute that with science instead of anecdotes?

Not that I advocate drinking alcohol, but saying "no amount is safe," even if true, is unconvincing to me.

Ever watch a person sky dive? Scuba dive? Drive a car? None of these activities are "safe". There is a measurable danger in every single one of them, but is there enough danger to convince someone to abstain entirely from the activity? That is the question, and the answer is quite individual. One considers the relative danger compared to whatever benefit one perceives might be associated with the activity, and then one judges for oneself whether the benefit from the activity is worth the risk.

Saying "no amount is safe" may be a true saying, but that is all it is. 

I do not abstain from drinking alcohol because "no amount is safe." I abstain from drinking alcohol because I covenanted with the Lord to abstain from drinking alcohol. Were it not for that covenant, I would probably drink wine occasionally with dinner, and regard that as "safe enough."

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jkwilliams Grand Master

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13 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

Can you give me a recipe?

Potatoes with Ocopa Sauce (Papas Huancaina, con salsa Ocopa)

3 lbs. small potatoes (white or yukon gold work best)

1 tbsp vegetable oil

1 onion, sliced

2 garlic cloves, crushed

1/8 cup huacatay paste

1/4 cup aji amarillo paste

2 ounces dry-roasted peanuts

4 ounces fresh white cheese (queso fresco, though feta will do), roughly crumbled

salt

pepper

hard-boiled eggs, peeled (optional)

 Quarter and boil potatoes until tender.

 Sauté onions and garlic until translucent. Add huacatay and aji amarilo until heated.

Combine onion mixture, crackers, peanuts, and cheese in food processor or blender. Blend until smooth. Add evaporated milk as needed for a thinner sauce., Add salt, pepper to taste.

You can get the huacatay and aji amarillo paste at a Latino market. 

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Stargazer Grand Master

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15 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

Potatoes with Ocopa Sauce (Papas Huancaina, con salsa Ocopa)

3 lbs. small potatoes (white or yukon gold work best)

1 tbsp vegetable oil

1 onion, sliced

2 garlic cloves, crushed

1/8 cup huacatay paste

1/4 cup aji amarillo paste

2 ounces dry-roasted peanuts

4 ounces fresh white cheese (queso fresco, though feta will do), roughly crumbled

salt

pepper

hard-boiled eggs, peeled (optional)

 Quarter and boil potatoes until tender.

 Sauté onions and garlic until translucent. Add huacatay and aji amarilo until heated.

Combine onion mixture, crackers, peanuts, and cheese in food processor or blender. Blend until smooth. Add evaporated milk as needed for a thinner sauce., Add salt, pepper to taste.

Thanks!

I can get all of this except for huacatay paste here in the UK. I gather the huacatay paste is kind of important. Is there a good substitute?

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pogi Grand Master

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1 hour ago, jkwilliams said:

I have no doubt it can be a health risk. That seems obvious. And I know the effects of impaired driving because my brothers paid the ultimate price (though the other driver was on drugs, not alcohol). I figure an occasional beer isn’t going to kill me. 

Time to get my dinner going. Making papas huancainas. Yum. 

I don’t disagree.  I’m not going to judge you. I was simply addressing his blanket statement that “alcohol in moderation is not bad for you”.   He can’t really guarantee that.  People need to be more careful when making broad and general comments about other peoples health, especially when they don't know the health histories of whom they are addressing, and which contradicts best evidence.
 

Sounds delicious!

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Hamba Tuhan Grand Master

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12 hours ago, jkwilliams said:

 Brigham Young did say those things, but it’s not helpful to impose a present understanding of the Word of Wisdom on what he said, nor is it warranted to call his statements commandments.

If statements from the President of the Church in General Conference can't be called commandments, then we're in big trouble. And if people ignoring those statements somehow deletes the 'thus saith the Spirit unto me' nature of those statements, then we are in even bigger trouble.

No one here is suggesting that the Word of Wisdom was made requisite for a temple recommend before the date when that actually occurred. Nor is anyone arguing that widespread adherence to the Word of Wisdom took a long time (and the implied threat of not having access to the temple). But it's equally wrong to state that the Word of Wisdom wasn't considered a commandment until then. BY clearly understood what he intended when he commanded the Saints to obey and warned them that disobedience would shut off the flow of revelation in their lives.

There are many commandments the violation of which currently does not prevent a person either joining the Church or attending the temple.

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jkwilliams Grand Master

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1 minute ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

If statements from the President of the Church in General Conference can't be called commandments, then we're in big trouble. And if people ignoring those statements somehow deletes the 'thus saith the Spirit unto me' nature of those statements, then we are in even bigger trouble.

No one here is suggesting that the Word of Wisdom was made requisite for a temple recommend before the date when that actually occurred. Nor is anyone arguing that widespread adherence to the Word of Wisdom took a long time (and the implied threat of not having access to the temple). But it's equally wrong to state that the Word of Wisdom wasn't considered a commandment until then. BY clearly understood what he intended when he commanded the Saints to obey and warned them that disobedience would shut off the flow of revelation in their lives.

There are many commandments the violation of which currently does not prevent a person either joining the Church or attending the temple.

Can you tell me when Brigham Young commanded it?

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Hamba Tuhan Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

Can you tell me when Brigham Young commanded it?

See the quote I provided yesterday. You can spin it your way if you prefer. If I hear a prophet say, 'God told me to tell you to do something', that's literally a commandment, no different in substance to the famous ten from Mt Sinai.

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Jerry Atric Collaborator

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2 hours ago, pogi said:

The science shows that no amount is safe.  Can you refute that with science instead of anecdotes?

https://www.eatingwell.com/article/7887086/health-benefits-of-moderate-drinking/

 

There's 1000s of articles and 1000s of doctors that say alcohol in moderation is actually good for your health. The article I linked to discusses 4 health benefits. 

1. It raises your good cholesterol

2. It may lower your risk of death

3. It can be a mood-lifter

4. It may help strengthen bones

 

Life is risky! 

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jkwilliams Grand Master

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35 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

See the quote I provided yesterday. You can spin it your way if you prefer. If I hear a prophet say, 'God told me to tell you to do something', that's literally a commandment, no different in substance to the famous ten from Mt Sinai.

I’m just saying that when I worked for the church, the consensus was it wasn’t a commandment. I don’t much care. I’ll just say again that a simple assignation of a commandment ignores the history. I wouldn’t even have responded had you not mocked me for not dealing with the historical record. Now you’re just saying you interpret BY’s words as a commandment. Fair enough. 

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jkwilliams Grand Master

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6 minutes ago, ttribe said:

Well, to be fair, I'm still a rookie. Didn't start consuming alcohol until February 2020. Give it time. I'm sure I'll be dead before the week is out.

I got drunk exactly once about 12 years ago, on cocktails. Not a good experience. The worst thing I could have done is have another novice ex-Mormon trying out cocktail recipes. Needless to say, there was a lot of vomiting. 

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edvantageous Rookie

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16 hours ago, Jerry Atric said:

https://www.eatingwell.com/article/7887086/health-benefits-of-moderate-drinking/

 

There's 1000s of articles and 1000s of doctors that say alcohol in moderation is actually good for your health. The article I linked to discusses 4 health benefits. 

1. It raises your good cholesterol

2. It may lower your risk of death

3. It can be a mood-lifter

4. It may help strengthen bones

 

Life is risky! 

Of course there are 1000s of articles that highlight benefits of alcohol. The point of the original post and my post in response to it is to make people aware that these 1000s of articles and doctors' opinions do not stand up to new and thorough research that calls these opinions into question. These new findings are concerning enough that governments are changing their public health policies and recommendations about consuming alcohol.

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jkwilliams Grand Master

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Just now, edvantageous said:

Of course there are 1000s of articles that highlight benefits of alcohol. The point of the original post and my post in response to it is to make people aware that these 1000s of articles and doctors' opinions do not stand up to new and thorough research that calls these opinions into question. These new findings are concerning enough that governments are changing their public health policies and recommendations about consuming alcohol.

Then there's the Japanese government, which is concerned that young people aren't drinking enough. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-62585809

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