SeekingUnderstanding Posted June 9, 2022 Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SteveO said: You can get away with most things in professional sports if your stats are good enough. Colin wasn’t worth the effort to put up with the grift. Simple. Minus your word choice of “grift” I agree with you. I think the NFL should place a higher value on ideals (especially those that align with mine) but they are free to use their own speech rights as they see fit. I, in turn, can criticize them and refuse to give them my money or watch their games (all of which I do, but not because if some moral stand (with the exception of the criticism), but just because I’m not interested). Edited June 9, 2022 by SeekingUnderstanding
SeekingUnderstanding Posted June 9, 2022 Posted June 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, mbh26 said: Isn't that what we're all told to an extent? What about yourself? You're heterosexual and you're not married. Most marriages are either unhappy or end in divorce. We all have to live by faith. Guess that “plan of happiness” thing isn’t all it’s cracked up to be is it?
let’s roll Posted June 9, 2022 Posted June 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, SeekingUnderstanding said: Guess that “plan of happiness” thing isn’t all it’s cracked up to be is it? It is for those for those whose hearts have not waxed hard, whose ears are not dull of hearing and whose eyes can see afar off. 2
SeekingUnderstanding Posted June 9, 2022 Posted June 9, 2022 24 minutes ago, let’s roll said: It is for those for those whose hearts have not waxed hard, whose ears are not dull of hearing and whose eyes can see afar off. You forgot spawn of Satan…
ttribe Posted June 9, 2022 Posted June 9, 2022 2 hours ago, SteveO said: Being “as good” isn’t worth the controversy. They’ve had players beat their wives and girlfriends, and weather those storms with a mild suspension if their stats were good enough. You can get away with most things in professional sports if your stats are good enough. Colin wasn’t worth the effort to put up with the grift. Simple. You're kind of proving my point. 1
Stormin' Mormon Posted June 9, 2022 Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said: Forcing a player to stay in the locker room is compelled speech. Do you really want to define speech that broadly? To define it as being present in a specific location at a specific time? Cuz if that's the definition we go with, there's a whole host of gay wedding services that can now be reclassified as speech. Edited June 9, 2022 by Stormin' Mormon 1
The Nehor Posted June 9, 2022 Posted June 9, 2022 4 hours ago, smac97 said: Right. It comes across as passive-aggressive hectoring, though. You don't know me, but you are imputing motives. I have not attacked or disparaged or said anything untoward about any "weaker and more vulnerable" person. I have, instead, A) critiqued commoditized/corporatized "pride" posturing and regalia B) spoken against the sexual exploitation of children, C) spoken against compelled speech (as to the baseball players), and D) critiqued absurd characterizations of those baseball players (calling them "anti-gay," "hate{ful}," "not loving your neighbor," "homophob{ic}," "bigot{ed}," "oppressi{ve}," "misrepresenting" faith in Jesus, and so on. You responded by saying my remarks don't "well reflect the tone or tenor of Christ's ministry," and that I was "pummeling" . . . someone. You have since continued to play coy and passive-aggressive, rather than just say whatever it is you have in mind. I have no qualms with condemning the sexual exploitation of children. And your offputting "What Would Jesus Do" routine in response doesn't really work, since He too condemned such behavior. I have said nothing like this. At all. You are making false statements about me. This "by merely existing" and "not being invisible" are fabrications of your own making. I have, instead, spoken about the sexual exploitation of children by some few persons. Such abuse is terrible, no matter who does it. Utterly irrelevant to my post. Also utterly irrelevant to my post. I am condemning sexual exploitation of children. See, e.g., here: From the :24 mark (a woman protesting the event) : "I live in this community. I have for several years. I don't believe that I should be seeing signs advertising for children to be dancing on stage with men in thongs and in inappropriate clothing and makeup." See also here: Children to experience sexual content at "Drag the kids to pride" (video included) Not for children! From the 2:07 mark: "You guys have seen this video right here, and it is absolutely, utterly disgusting. When have we come to a point in our time right now when we think dancing sexually in front of some little kids is a good thing? ... You went up there, and these little kids are being groomed to think that if you dance in this type of manner, and in this type of way, with this type of clothing on,that means you can be given money for it. ... I don't care if it's a woman or a man. With those types of clothing and dancing in a sexual manner in front of some children is absolutely disgusting. ... They're trying to hypersexualize children." Yep. And this one: From the :27 mark: "Let's think about how we got to this point. First was 'We're not teaching kids gender theory and sexuality, and we're certainly not sexualizing them.' Then it was 'We are teaching kids gender theory and sexuality, but we're not sexualizing them, guys, I promise. I know you're getting images of pornography that we're showing your kids in schools, but we're not sexualizing them.' And now we have parents taking their children to drag shows while drag queens dance around like strippers and children hand them money. 'But we're not sexualizing kids, right?' The sign {inside the venue} literally says 'It's not going to lick itself,' and they're going to lie and say that they're not sexualizing children? When it's right in front of your face?" And this one: And this one: From the :44 mark (one of the dancers) : "I don't think that there is any kind of issue with exposing children to this because . . . especially if your child is in the community, or you may think they are. I just think that drag is educational." From the :59 mark (some spectators being asked whether exposing children to drag will lead them to do drag in the future) : "Not if they don't want to do drag. I'm a gay man, and I don't want to do drag." "It's not grooming, it's not ... you will be what you are. We're not going to turn you into something else because you come and see this event." From the 1:25 mark (the same dancer as above, also being asked the above question) : "So do you think exposing children to drag will result in more kids doing drag, eventually?" "I think so. And I hope so, because like I said, it's the biggest confidence booster. Yes, it can be negative at times, but I think that drag builds confidence." From the 1:45 mark (another dancer being asked the same question) : "Do you think exposing kids to drag will make more children go into drag, eventually?" "I feel like yes, because I feel drag is such an art form. There's so much dancing, there's hair, there's wigs, there's makeup. There are so many things that kids will love to experience, so I feel like a lot of kids will want to dabble in everything that's going on in drag." From the 2:08 mark (apparently a spectator or employee at the venue, being asked the same question) : "Do you think exposing children to drag will lead them to do drag in the future themselves?" "Potentially. If someone's really into fashion, or they see themselves up there with those queens. And I think that could be amazing." Again: The sexual exploitation of children is terrible, no matter who does it. Thanks, -Smac While I don’t necessarily approve of that event the reporting on it was…..odd. It is not a night club. It is an ice cream parlor. The “not gonna lick itself” sign is about an ice cream cone. It is a weird event but the reporters weren’t reporting. They were slanting the coverage and hiding some details. Bet they didn’t even include the video of the self-proclaimed “fascist” who tried to attack a family? That isn’t sexual exploitation or grooming. It is just weird.
The Nehor Posted June 9, 2022 Posted June 9, 2022 5 hours ago, SteveO said: Ah yes, the “Trump did it first” new standard of decency for people like you. Proof 2016 irreparably broke your brain It is actually “Trump did it worse”. I ignore Trump supporters who call for decorum and civility. It is pointless to try to appease that kind of situational ethics with rational discussion. Better to just mock them and, if possible, humiliate them and then move on.
The Nehor Posted June 9, 2022 Posted June 9, 2022 2 hours ago, mbh26 said: Isn't that what we're all told to an extent? Yes, but a heterosexual person knows more. 2 hours ago, mbh26 said: You're heterosexual Whatever gave you that idea? 2 hours ago, mbh26 said: and you're not married. True. 2 hours ago, mbh26 said: Most marriages are either unhappy or end in divorce. You must be fun at weddings. 2 hours ago, mbh26 said: We all have to live by faith. Yes, but some know more of what they are living in hope for. 4
SeekingUnderstanding Posted June 9, 2022 Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Stormin' Mormon said: Do you really want to define speech that broadly? To define it as being present in a specific location at a specific time? Cuz if that's the definition we go with, there's a whole host of gay wedding services that can now be reclassified as speech. An employer (hypothetically here) is compelling an employee to act a certain way. And to be clear there are no first amendment issues at play anywhere in this discussion. Employers force their employees to do stuff everyday. Edited June 9, 2022 by SeekingUnderstanding
SteveO Posted June 9, 2022 Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: It is actually “Trump did it worse”. I ignore Trump supporters who call for decorum and civility. My brother in Christ, I didn’t call for decorum and civility. People like you have been since 2016. “Return to normalcy” and “adults back in charge” and such. If “Trump did it worse” helps you navigate tribalism, more power to you. We all fall short, thankfully the new “Trump Standard”ensures everyone gets a decorum and civility trophy. Even you. 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: Better to just mock them and, if possible, humiliate them and then move on. You’ve spent too much time arguing with losers on Twitter. 😅
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