Input on Eating Meat "Sparingly"

[Mike Drop]

19 minutes ago, BlueDreams said:

You obviously have done little research on factory farm practices. 
you mentioned chickens first…so I’ll mention chickens.

depending the chicken, they’re often extremely overcrowded. To reduce problems with this, caged chickens especially have part of their beaks cut off to not peck their neighbors to death. Their male counterparts are killed soon after birth. Egg-laying hens are usually nutritionally deficient because they were bred to lay far more eggs than their less inbred counterparts…you can sorta tell just by the weak-sauce shell, anemic colored yolks, and poorer flavor and reduced micronutrients of cheapo eggs. Meat chickens on average live 42 days. Far shorter than the potential lifespan of several years they should be living. They’re genetically chosen to grow and the growth can be so fast that they struggle to do basic functions.  As in walking, breathing and having the heart pump. Ammonia levels are notoriously high. Many will die before they make it to slaughter from the pressures of their own body and the environment they’re crammed into. 
 

personally, if I had a choice between “wile e” and that, I think I’d choose wile e and the  chance to breath and walk and live for longer than 42 days. 

with luv, 

BD 

I’ve done enough research on commercial meat production that I’ve chosen to raise, hunt or catch 99% of the meat my family eats. If you don’t mind me asking, when did you become a vegetarian/vegan and do you find it hard to find protein sources?

[BlueDreams]

5 minutes ago, Mike Drop said:

I’ve done enough research on commercial meat production that I’ve chosen to raise, hunt or catch 99% of the meat my family eats. If you don’t mind me asking, when did you become a vegetarian/vegan and do you find it hard to find protein sources?

If you’ve chosen to do so, why pretend factory farms are somehow humane let alone healthy? 

I’m vegetarian not vegan. I became one just under 20 years ago. I’ve never struggled finding protein sources and eat a large variety of foods with plenty of protein: rice, grains/breads, nuts, seeds, tofu, beans, and (since I’m not vegan) eggs and a little cheese being the biggest sources. I would be fine with protein even if I cut off the one egg and little cheese I consume daily. The eggs I get for myself are pasture raised or from local chicken raisers and I hope to get family chickens in the near future. 

With luv, 

BD 

[Mike Drop]

30 minutes ago, BlueDreams said:

If you’ve chosen to do so, why pretend factory farms are somehow humane let alone healthy? 

I’m vegetarian not vegan. I became one just under 20 years ago. I’ve never struggled finding protein sources and eat a large variety of foods with plenty of protein: rice, grains/breads, nuts, seeds, tofu, beans, and (since I’m not vegan) eggs and a little cheese being the biggest sources. I would be fine with protein even if I cut off the one egg and little cheese I consume daily. The eggs I get for myself are pasture raised or from local chicken raisers and I hope to get family chickens in the near future. 

With luv, 

BD 

One suggestion. If you do decide to raise poultry, try starting out with Coturnix quail. The jumbo variety will lay 300 eggs a year so three hens will produce around 900 eggs. I prefer quail eggs to chicken eggs, they’re a little bit richer in taste. Also, they’re a lot less stinky and nowhere as noisy. You can actually raise them without commercial feed, just table scraps and a mineral/vitamin  supplement.

Edited November 26, 2021 by Mike Drop

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, Mike Drop said:

Dude! You have no idea what you’re talkin about. And the only thing “insane” around here is that you think all animals want to be in the wild fending for themselves. Let’s take a look at the life of the wonderful and playful wild rabbit! On average the life span of the wild rabbit is 1 to 5 years. During that time, the wabbit will constantly be worried and most definitely scared of being eaten by snakes, fox, coyotes, mountain lion, bears, hawks, eagles, Bigfoot, yeti, wolverines,honey badger and many other predators. Their cute fluffy teeny tiny itty-bitty little offspring are usually eaten within the first 2or3 months after being birthed on the cold wet ground. Now!! Imagine you’re a wild wabbit and a thunderstorm rolls in! You’re in your little wabbit nest when all of a sudden it starts pouring 🐱 and 🐕. Your little wabbit nest has sprung a leak and you spend the next 9 hours huddled up tryin to stay warm but end up with hypothermia. The  ☁️ clear, the ☀️ comes out, you venture outside and when you look to the right you see a coyote named Wile E running as fast as he can, his jaws are wide open, there’s coyote saliva dripping from his teeth, you can tell he’s starving because he can’t catch that damn road runner so now he’s coming after you!!!!  You try to run as fast as you can but your muscles ache because you have hypothermia from sitting in the rain for 9 hours. 2 seconds later you find yourself being torn apart by very sharp coyote teeth. For 2 minutes youre still alive while Wile E tears you limb from limb. In horror, you watch your mangled body parts being swallowed down the coyotes throat.

       As you’re going in and out of consciousness because you’re being torn limb from limb,  you think about your cousin, the domestic rabbit that you met at the last family reunion and start wishing you could of lived the life his care takers gave him. Your cousin was given the name,  Rabbit DeNiro ! He has his own shelter with a roof. His caretakers bring him food and water in pretty little containers. They bring him hay and carrots to snack on. And when he’s old enough to procreate, he gets to have sex with multiple females,  much like the early Mormons living in the mid 1800s. At night his caretakers leave the TV on so he doesn’t get lonely and if he’s lucky there will be a Ricky Lake talk Show marathon on.  
         
      Now your dead. The coyote isn’t full so he goes to your nest so he can snack on your 7 little babies. As your spirit travels up to rabbit heaven you can see them being eaten one by one. You remember back to the family reunion when your cousin, Rabbit DeNiro, told you about how his care takers humanely and ethically dispatch them without them even knowing it’s going to happen. It’s a quick and efficient death. A death that every wabbit deserves. 
 

You see Nehor! You have no idea what you’re talkin about. Wild animals live a miserable life and more often than not they suffer a horrible and gruesome death. Maybe that’s why Joseph Smith said to eat meat sparingly. Maybe he belonged to PETA!

    

You’re not very bright and prioritize safety over virtually everything. Is this your life?

 

[Mike Drop]

44 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

You’re not very bright and prioritize safety over virtually everything. Is this your life?

 

Ahh yes, the nehor, the man who can’t figure out how to find a woman that’s willing to spend time with him, even though there’s 4 billion women on earth, comes by to insult me and say I’m the one who’s not that bright. Ooooook! Gotcha!👍 maybe you’ll have better luck when there’s 4.5 billion women on earth in a few years, yeah! 

I dont prioritize safety over everything.   From what I’ve read of your life, seems you’re the one worried about safety. If you want commercially raised animals to be raised better, stop eating them. I’m not kidding when I say become a vegetarian or vegan. Nothing wrong with that. If you choose to buy meat off the shelf then you’re part of the problem. Us humans have been raising animals for harvest for thousands of years and if you don’t like the inhumane treatment they suffer, raise your own meat. There’s nothing stopping you. Raise some animals and give them a good life before they’re harvested. Be the change Nehor! Be all that you can be! 

[The Nehor]

13 hours ago, Mike Drop said:

Ahh yes, the nehor, the man who can’t figure out how to find a woman that’s willing to spend time with him, even though there’s 4 billion women on earth, comes by to insult me and say I’m the one who’s not that bright. Ooooook! Gotcha!👍 maybe you’ll have better luck when there’s 4.5 billion women on earth in a few years, yeah! 

I dont prioritize safety over everything.   From what I’ve read of your life, seems you’re the one worried about safety. If you want commercially raised animals to be raised better, stop eating them. I’m not kidding when I say become a vegetarian or vegan. Nothing wrong with that. If you choose to buy meat off the shelf then you’re part of the problem. Us humans have been raising animals for harvest for thousands of years and if you don’t like the inhumane treatment they suffer, raise your own meat. There’s nothing stopping you. Raise some animals and give them a good life before they’re harvested. Be the change Nehor! Be all that you can be! 

Oh, I suspected but now it is clear it is definitely you.

Can’t say I have missed your halfwitted comments. How is life? Still living your best life in seething resentment?

[grapevine]

There are several LDS vegetarians that people follow or they try to gain a following.   Get revelation the prophet hasn’t had time to receive or would hurt church if they talked about it.  Must of never read D and C.  42:11.   Tom Rodgers had Heart Attacks, Strokes almost died.  Covenanter noting die that I may live and healthier.  www.ldsveg.org.   Kathleen fowlkes the gate published there.  Twisting stories.  We’re stealing honey from bees who pollinate our crops.  Lol, Jesus didn’t eat fish would of lost Holy Ghost.  Out there ideas.  
 

Jim Catano wondered why church had hunting preserve.  Vegetarian went off deep end.   Chris Foster philosophy professor at UVU. gave talk at Utah State a few years ago on eating animals quoting dead prophets that agreed with him to manipulate them to gain a following.

 

antivaxxer Brett Wilcox wrote blogs on giving up meat.  Jane Birch’s articles in Meridian and blogs she writes encourages people to give up animal products.  Quentin L. Cook mentioned going beyond the mark and adding things to Word of Wisdom that are not there.

 

People that “received those additional revelations”. Why didn’t they come through properly appointed channels?  And why don’t we hear it from our church leaders?  Could it be that it’s not church doctrine?  Just people wanting church members to adopt there cause and manipulating prophets.

[Hamba Tuhan]

8 hours ago, grapevine said:

Quentin L. Cook mentioned going beyond the mark and adding things to Word of Wisdom that are not there.

People that “received those additional revelations”. Why didn’t they come through properly appointed channels?  And why don’t we hear it from our church leaders?  Could it be that it’s not church doctrine?  Just people wanting church members to adopt there cause and manipulating prophets.

We have a member of our stake high council, a fine man whom I respect, who told me after council meeting some months ago that, if we were truly reading the Word of Wisdom with 'ears to hear', we would all be strict vegetarians as he is.

I was quick to correct that. He's fine to follow whatever he thinks the Spirit is telling him -- and I haven't eaten any meat in eight days because of what I believe the Spirit has been telling me -- but teaching that we have special insights everyone must follow isn't in the game plan, as you've noted.

[champatsch]

Something to consider is that the wheat of 1833 is not the wheat of 2021: https://grainstorm.com/pages/modern-wheat

Lots of people have trouble with today's wheat, so much so that in many church units a gluten-free alternative is provided, which may mitigate digestive distress.

Also, some say they can't eat US bread without severe digestive issues, but they do eat bread in other countries without digestive issues.

People should be aware that typical sandwich-type breads are very often made with vegetable seed oils, like soybean oil. That's something to avoid.

I learned recently that some large food companies have been aware for about 10 years or so that vegetable seed oils damage our health in the quantities we now ingest them. In the US at least, most people get between 7 and 20% of their calories from vegetable seed oils. And some people have adipose tissue which is 30% linoleic acid (from the oils) – historically, this was around 3%. Around 3% is the level we want.

Some large food companies are working on the problem, exploring healthier alternatives, but quietly. These oils are inexpensive and currently impossible to replace without jumping prices. Their replacement, however, is necessary to lessen the high numbers of people suffering from chronic ailments. But it needs to be massively scalable.