pogi Posted October 19, 2021 Posted October 19, 2021 3 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: Yes. Something ("worst cold ever," another covid strain - each of which become less virulent but more easily transmissible, or Marburg) will need to take center stage and be blamed for the adverse reactions the covid injections will manifest. Still, I do hope something truly wonderful happens to you and the rest of us today So you think that Marburg (which could potentially kill more than half of the population of earth if it became airborne or more infectious), or something else, is currently being engineered to cover up for adverse reactions to covid vaccine? "Adverse reactions that covid injections will manifest"? When? What kind of reactions do you anticipate? If the reaction doesn't fit the symptom profile of Marburg, how is it going to work as a "cover up" exactly? If the reaction is cancer, we can't blame that on Marburg. If it is blindness, again, not Marburg. If it causes my innards to boil and explode, again, not Marburg. You seem to think that any bug (despite having different manifestations) will work perfectly as a cover up for this supposed covid injection reaction that we are all doomed to have. If you are so confident that there will be a reaction, you musts certainly know what will be the cause of the reaction. Without a known cause (a particular ingredient in the vaccine), then you can't be certain of anything. Also, if you are so confident that covid vaccines will cause a reaction so terrible that Marburg would be needed to cover it up, you must be beyond furious that our prophet who you claim to sustain is mandating that our children be vaccinated for their missions? They don't get a choice if they want to serve as they are called by the Lord. Let me guess, you are suffering it to be so... Instead of being inspired by all the other passages in the BoM and Bible that call the righteous to intervene against wicked designs, you are going to take the popcorn and recliner option to watch it all unfold? 2
nuclearfuels Posted October 19, 2021 Author Posted October 19, 2021 4 hours ago, pogi said: Still, I do hope something truly wonderful happens to you and the rest of us today So you think that Marburg (which could potentially kill more than half of the population of earth if it became airborne or more infectious), or something else, is currently being engineered to cover up for adverse reactions to covid vaccine? Would anyone in their right mind not fight for a hastily concocted vaccine if a strain of Marburg, which could potentially kill more than half of the population of earth if it became airborne or more infectious? Probably not. Have you ever wondered why people didn’t riot in order to obtain the covid injections? Surely you don’t think all those who are not yet injected are conspiracy theorists? That would be very conspiracy-theorist-type of thinking and, of course, perish the thought. https://www.bitchute.com/video/wMhMjLTVuR70/ - panel of doctors https://www.facebook.com/idahofreedom/videos/212746730593293/?fallback=1 – Dr. Ryan Cole You’ll need to do better than Google results from FactCheck which owns a significant amount of one of the Big Pharma Cartel companies peddiling the injections. Pfizer, I think, "Adverse reactions that covid injections will manifest"? They already have. VAERS which according to Harvard captures 1% of adverse reactions. When? At the macro level you may compare death rates YOY year over year according to your preferred cohorts (age, race, gender, location, etc.). What increase in that death rate would suggest something suspicious? That is the question. At the micro lovel, it’s all very formulaic but take: height, weight, age, race, gender, blood type, pre-existing conditions (obesity, diabetes, cancer, history of heart problems, parents, grandparents, hereditary genetic predispositions, etc.) of the target population you have in mind (fully vaxxed in the US perhaps, assuming google and the federal gov’t aren’t inflating the numbers, which they likely are). Then subtract the percentage that you believe/disbelieve received a placebo (I’ve read 30-50% though that seems high to me), and then compare death rates YOY. I’ve also heard that 66% of people who’ve been injected over 5 years will manifest significant adverse reactions, again due to the variance in age, weight, gender, race, health level, exercise, diet, environmental pollution, etc. YOY cohort comparison seems to be the most direct measurement. What kind of reactions do you anticipate? Those which have already manifest. Myocarditis and Pericarditis After Vaccination for COVID-19 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782900#248009130 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34118375/ Journal of Pediatrics: https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/148/3/e2021052644 https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf In this month’s issue of Pediatrics, Marshall et al report a case series describing seven 14- to 19-year-old male individuals who developed symptomatic myocarditis after the second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine.1 The authors report that the symptoms began between 2 and 4 days after the second dose and that all 7 patients experienced rapid resolution of symptoms. This case series is published in the context of other media reports of myocarditis in young adults, mostly male, from the US military and from Israel2 as well as a recent increase in reports of myocarditis after serious acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) vaccines to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).3 As such, this case series offers useful preliminary information on clinical and therapeutic details regarding myocarditis among adolescents. Deaths caused from covid injections – temporary removed by NIH (no reason given: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8483988/): A Report on Myocarditis Adverse Events in the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) in Association with COVID-19 Injectable Biological Products Jessica Rose 1, Peter A McCullough 2 Affiliations expand PMID: 34601006 PMCID: PMC8483988 DOI: 10.1016/j.cpcardiol.2021.101011 Free PMC article Abstract Following the global rollout and administration of the Pfizer Inc./BioNTech BNT162b2 and Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccines on December 17, 2020, in the United States, and of the Janssen Ad26.COV2.S product on April 1st, 2021, in an unprecedented manner, hundreds of thousands of individuals have reported adverse events (AEs) using the Vaccine Adverse Events Reports System (VAERS). We used VAERS data to examine cardiac AEs, primarily myocarditis, reported following injection of the first or second dose of the COVID-19 injectable products. Myocarditis rates reported in VAERS were significantly higher in youths between the ages of 13 to 23 (p<0.0001) with ∼80% occurring in males. Within 8 weeks of the public offering of COVID-19 products to the 12-15-year-old age group, we found 19 times the expected number of myocarditis cases in the vaccination volunteers over background myocarditis rates for this age group. In addition, a 5-fold increase in myocarditis rate was observed subsequent to dose 2 as opposed to dose 1 in 15-year-old males. A total of 67% of all cases occurred with BNT162b2. Of the total myocarditis AE reports, 6 individuals died (1.1%) and of these, 2 were under 20 years of age - 1 was 13. These findings suggest a markedly higher risk for myocarditis subsequent to COVID-19 injectable product use than for other known vaccines, and this is well above known background rates for myocarditis. COVID-19 injectable products are novel and have a genetic, pathogenic mechanism of action causing uncontrolled expression of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein within human cells. When you combine this fact with the temporal relationship of AE occurrence and reporting, biological plausibility of cause and effect, and the fact that these data are internally and externally consistent with emerging sources of clinical data, it supports a conclusion that the COVID-19 biological products are deterministic for the myocarditis cases observed after injection. Keywords: COVID-19; COVID-19-Injection-Related Myocarditis (CIRM); SARS-CoV-2; VAERS; adverse events (AEs); myocarditis. Copyright © 2021. Published by Elsevier Inc. If the reaction doesn't fit the symptom profile of Marburg, how is it going to work as a "cover up" exactly? Easy. Think of a Venn Diagram, the overlapping section in the middle. The symptoms of the Marburg strain will overlap with the adverse reactions of the covid injections, primarily due to polyethylene glycol, polysorbate, graphene oxide, and the mRNA which tells your body to create spike proteins to catch and kill the live, viral covid spike proteins when you’re exposed. If the reaction is cancer, we can't blame that on Marburg. If it is blindness, again, not Marburg. If it causes my innards to boil and explode, again, not Marburg. You seem to think that any bug (despite having different manifestations) will work perfectly as a cover up for this supposed covid injection reaction that we are all doomed to have. Some injections are designed to exacerbate underlying health problems. If exacerbating injections are deployed then, yes, we can attribute cancer, blindness, and boiling and exploding innards to exacerbating underlying genetic hereditary factors and predispositions. (Perhaps what you’re really trying to do is claim injections aren’t confounding or primary factors when they can easily be contributing factors and still highly, directly relevant.) That’s why the current injections restrict blood flow to certain areas while increasing it too much to others – due to the variance of the population’s existing preconditions. Would you rather have fewer people on earth and millions starving each year or would you reduce the population in a calm yet coercive fashion? You’re not that callous, are you? You’re not all doomed to have those side effects and I pray none of you have them. The real question is: how many grandparents, great aunts, great uncles, etc. need to die before it becomes suspicious? Especially when we’re all predisposed to say things like: They lived a good life. They’ve gone on to their glory. There’s a bigger group of people shouting them welcome than there are people here mourning their homegoing, etc. If you are so confident that there will be a reaction, you musts certainly know what will be the cause of the reaction. Without a known cause (a particular ingredient in the vaccine), then you can't be certain of anything. polyethylene glycol, polysorbate, graphene oxide as a start. mRNA-induced spike protein creation which increased blood flow and decreases blood flow to existing areas the person’s body already has. Also, if you are so confident that covid vaccines will cause a reaction so terrible that Marburg would be needed to cover it up, you must be beyond furious that our prophet who you claim to sustain is mandating that our children be vaccinated for their missions? They don't get a choice if they want to serve as they are called by the Lord. It seems presumptuous of me, were I missionary age, to assume I would be serving internationally. Submitting papers with a preference for any location, then after receiving the call, and if it was outside of your country, then sure, get vaxxed if you feel the risk and cost-benefit are appropriate for your risk appetite. More to your point – since it’s prophesied that all the missionaries will be called home – whether that means all missions are temporarily closed or whether it means all missionaries serve domestically, which we’ve already seen due to covid, I don’t know – why would I risk my health in exchange for the potential to serve in another country – after presuming I know better than the General Authorities as to where I will serve? Unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures. If the Prophet whom I sustain encouraged some of us to do things that would speed up the time when we go to our glory, why would anyone begrudge him for that? What do you expect him to do – advise against the injections? The Church handbook accurately discusses vaccines and says it’s best left to the individual and their physician. (This might be due to the variance in the health of members of the Church.) Let me guess, you are suffering it to be so... No, the Lord is and so is his Prophet. I’m not willing. I am hoping wonderful things happen to you and all of us, as the next few years will depend on little more than good will. If you think the shortages we’re facing now are inconvenient, just wait. Unprecedented times and all that. Instead of being inspired by all the other passages in the BoM and Bible that call the righteous to intervene against wicked designs, you are going to take the popcorn and recliner option to watch it all unfold? Yes. What would you suggest for someone w/ pre-existing conditions and a medical exemption- a FEMA camp perhaps? Or buy lots of guns and ammo? Careful, pogi, sometimes you really flirt with those conspiracy theorist ideas. But wait, there’s more: A new Centers for Disease Control report shows 94% of people who died from COVID-19 in the U.S. had contributing health conditions. (https://www.axios.com/cdc-covid-deaths-contributing-health-conditions-3315196c-986f-4ae3-ba35-2075fd64bce1.html - This means 6% died from COVID and not contributing health conditions. That's 36,480 out of the 608,000 US deaths due to COVID.) -------- The US Center for Disease Control (CDC) has released an update to their research on the fatality rate associated with COVID-19. The CDC first posted this data on May 20, 2020, with the understanding that the parameter values would be updated and augmented over time. This update, dated September 10th, is based on data received by CDC through August 8, 2020. A quick summary of COVID-19 survival rates is shown below. The summary is based on the CDC table provided at the end of this report. CDC COVID-19 Survival Rates Age 0-19 — 99.997% Age 20-49 — 99.98% Age 50-69 — 99.5% Age 70+ — 94.6% https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/09/26/cdc-releases-updated-covid-19-fatality-rate-data/ -------- But because of the significant number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic people with COVID-19, the Centers For Disease Control and Prevention estimates the number of infected people could be 10 times the number of confirmed cases. Using the current numbers, that means more than 30 million people could have been infected, which would make the infection fatality rate 0.4% -- meaning 99.6% of people survive the virus. https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/good-health/2020/07/16/why-high-covid-19-survival-rate-is-no-reason-to-relax-safety-measures/ ---------------- CDC says masks don't work (https://drugstorenews.com/otc/cdc-study-reveals-face-masks-ineffective-against-spread-pandemic-flu-due-americans-lack-use).
pogi Posted October 19, 2021 Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: So you think that Marburg (which could potentially kill more than half of the population of earth if it became airborne or more infectious), or something else, is currently being engineered to cover up for adverse reactions to covid vaccine? Would anyone in their right mind not fight for a hastily concocted vaccine if a strain of Marburg, which could potentially kill more than half of the population of earth if it became airborne or more infectious? Probably not. Have you ever wondered why people didn’t riot in order to obtain the covid injections? Surely you don’t think all those who are not yet injected are conspiracy theorists? That would be very conspiracy-theorist-type of thinking and, of course, perish the thought. https://www.bitchute.com/video/wMhMjLTVuR70/ - panel of doctors https://www.facebook.com/idahofreedom/videos/212746730593293/?fallback=1 – Dr. Ryan Cole You’ll need to do better than Google results from FactCheck which owns a significant amount of one of the Big Pharma Cartel companies peddiling the injections. Pfizer, I think, "Adverse reactions that covid injections will manifest"? They already have. VAERS which according to Harvard captures 1% of adverse reactions. When? At the macro level you may compare death rates YOY year over year according to your preferred cohorts (age, race, gender, location, etc.). What increase in that death rate would suggest something suspicious? That is the question. At the micro lovel, it’s all very formulaic but take: height, weight, age, race, gender, blood type, pre-existing conditions (obesity, diabetes, cancer, history of heart problems, parents, grandparents, hereditary genetic predispositions, etc.) of the target population you have in mind (fully vaxxed in the US perhaps, assuming google and the federal gov’t aren’t inflating the numbers, which they likely are). Then subtract the percentage that you believe/disbelieve received a placebo (I’ve read 30-50% though that seems high to me), and then compare death rates YOY. I’ve also heard that 66% of people who’ve been injected over 5 years will manifest significant adverse reactions, again due to the variance in age, weight, gender, race, health level, exercise, diet, environmental pollution, etc. YOY cohort comparison seems to be the most direct measurement. What kind of reactions do you anticipate? Those which have already manifest. Myocarditis and Pericarditis After Vaccination for COVID-19 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782900#248009130 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34118375/ Journal of Pediatrics: https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/148/3/e2021052644 https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf In this month’s issue of Pediatrics, Marshall et al report a case series describing seven 14- to 19-year-old male individuals who developed symptomatic myocarditis after the second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine.1 The authors report that the symptoms began between 2 and 4 days after the second dose and that all 7 patients experienced rapid resolution of symptoms. This case series is published in the context of other media reports of myocarditis in young adults, mostly male, from the US military and from Israel2 as well as a recent increase in reports of myocarditis after serious acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) vaccines to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).3 As such, this case series offers useful preliminary information on clinical and therapeutic details regarding myocarditis among adolescents. Deaths caused from covid injections – temporary removed by NIH (no reason given: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8483988/): A Report on Myocarditis Adverse Events in the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) in Association with COVID-19 Injectable Biological Products Jessica Rose 1, Peter A McCullough 2 Affiliations expand PMID: 34601006 PMCID: PMC8483988 DOI: 10.1016/j.cpcardiol.2021.101011 Free PMC article Abstract Following the global rollout and administration of the Pfizer Inc./BioNTech BNT162b2 and Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccines on December 17, 2020, in the United States, and of the Janssen Ad26.COV2.S product on April 1st, 2021, in an unprecedented manner, hundreds of thousands of individuals have reported adverse events (AEs) using the Vaccine Adverse Events Reports System (VAERS). We used VAERS data to examine cardiac AEs, primarily myocarditis, reported following injection of the first or second dose of the COVID-19 injectable products. Myocarditis rates reported in VAERS were significantly higher in youths between the ages of 13 to 23 (p<0.0001) with ∼80% occurring in males. Within 8 weeks of the public offering of COVID-19 products to the 12-15-year-old age group, we found 19 times the expected number of myocarditis cases in the vaccination volunteers over background myocarditis rates for this age group. In addition, a 5-fold increase in myocarditis rate was observed subsequent to dose 2 as opposed to dose 1 in 15-year-old males. A total of 67% of all cases occurred with BNT162b2. Of the total myocarditis AE reports, 6 individuals died (1.1%) and of these, 2 were under 20 years of age - 1 was 13. These findings suggest a markedly higher risk for myocarditis subsequent to COVID-19 injectable product use than for other known vaccines, and this is well above known background rates for myocarditis. COVID-19 injectable products are novel and have a genetic, pathogenic mechanism of action causing uncontrolled expression of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein within human cells. When you combine this fact with the temporal relationship of AE occurrence and reporting, biological plausibility of cause and effect, and the fact that these data are internally and externally consistent with emerging sources of clinical data, it supports a conclusion that the COVID-19 biological products are deterministic for the myocarditis cases observed after injection. Keywords: COVID-19; COVID-19-Injection-Related Myocarditis (CIRM); SARS-CoV-2; VAERS; adverse events (AEs); myocarditis. Copyright © 2021. Published by Elsevier Inc. If the reaction doesn't fit the symptom profile of Marburg, how is it going to work as a "cover up" exactly? Easy. Think of a Venn Diagram, the overlapping section in the middle. The symptoms of the Marburg strain will overlap with the adverse reactions of the covid injections, primarily due to polyethylene glycol, polysorbate, graphene oxide, and the mRNA which tells your body to create spike proteins to catch and kill the live, viral covid spike proteins when you’re exposed. If the reaction is cancer, we can't blame that on Marburg. If it is blindness, again, not Marburg. If it causes my innards to boil and explode, again, not Marburg. You seem to think that any bug (despite having different manifestations) will work perfectly as a cover up for this supposed covid injection reaction that we are all doomed to have. Some injections are designed to exacerbate underlying health problems. If exacerbating injections are deployed then, yes, we can attribute cancer, blindness, and boiling and exploding innards to exacerbating underlying genetic hereditary factors and predispositions. (Perhaps what you’re really trying to do is claim injections aren’t confounding or primary factors when they can easily be contributing factors and still highly, directly relevant.) That’s why the current injections restrict blood flow to certain areas while increasing it too much to others – due to the variance of the population’s existing preconditions. Would you rather have fewer people on earth and millions starving each year or would you reduce the population in a calm yet coercive fashion? You’re not that callous, are you? You’re not all doomed to have those side effects and I pray none of you have them. The real question is: how many grandparents, great aunts, great uncles, etc. need to die before it becomes suspicious? Especially when we’re all predisposed to say things like: They lived a good life. They’ve gone on to their glory. There’s a bigger group of people shouting them welcome than there are people here mourning their homegoing, etc. If you are so confident that there will be a reaction, you musts certainly know what will be the cause of the reaction. Without a known cause (a particular ingredient in the vaccine), then you can't be certain of anything. polyethylene glycol, polysorbate, graphene oxide as a start. mRNA-induced spike protein creation which increased blood flow and decreases blood flow to existing areas the person’s body already has. Also, if you are so confident that covid vaccines will cause a reaction so terrible that Marburg would be needed to cover it up, you must be beyond furious that our prophet who you claim to sustain is mandating that our children be vaccinated for their missions? They don't get a choice if they want to serve as they are called by the Lord. It seems presumptuous of me, were I missionary age, to assume I would be serving internationally. Submitting papers with a preference for any location, then after receiving the call, and if it was outside of your country, then sure, get vaxxed if you feel the risk and cost-benefit are appropriate for your risk appetite. More to your point – since it’s prophesied that all the missionaries will be called home – whether that means all missions are temporarily closed or whether it means all missionaries serve domestically, which we’ve already seen due to covid, I don’t know – why would I risk my health in exchange for the potential to serve in another country – after presuming I know better than the General Authorities as to where I will serve? Unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures. If the Prophet whom I sustain encouraged some of us to do things that would speed up the time when we go to our glory, why would anyone begrudge him for that? What do you expect him to do – advise against the injections? The Church handbook accurately discusses vaccines and says it’s best left to the individual and their physician. (This might be due to the variance in the health of members of the Church.) Let me guess, you are suffering it to be so... No, the Lord is and so is his Prophet. I’m not willing. I am hoping wonderful things happen to you and all of us, as the next few years will depend on little more than good will. If you think the shortages we’re facing now are inconvenient, just wait. Unprecedented times and all that. Instead of being inspired by all the other passages in the BoM and Bible that call the righteous to intervene against wicked designs, you are going to take the popcorn and recliner option to watch it all unfold? Yes. What would you suggest for someone w/ pre-existing conditions and a medical exemption- a FEMA camp perhaps? Or buy lots of guns and ammo? Careful, pogi, sometimes you really flirt with those conspiracy theorist ideas. But wait, there’s more: A new Centers for Disease Control report shows 94% of people who died from COVID-19 in the U.S. had contributing health conditions. (https://www.axios.com/cdc-covid-deaths-contributing-health-conditions-3315196c-986f-4ae3-ba35-2075fd64bce1.html - This means 6% died from COVID and not contributing health conditions. That's 36,480 out of the 608,000 US deaths due to COVID.) -------- The US Center for Disease Control (CDC) has released an update to their research on the fatality rate associated with COVID-19. The CDC first posted this data on May 20, 2020, with the understanding that the parameter values would be updated and augmented over time. This update, dated September 10th, is based on data received by CDC through August 8, 2020. A quick summary of COVID-19 survival rates is shown below. The summary is based on the CDC table provided at the end of this report. CDC COVID-19 Survival Rates Age 0-19 — 99.997% Age 20-49 — 99.98% Age 50-69 — 99.5% Age 70+ — 94.6% https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/09/26/cdc-releases-updated-covid-19-fatality-rate-data/ -------- But because of the significant number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic people with COVID-19, the Centers For Disease Control and Prevention estimates the number of infected people could be 10 times the number of confirmed cases. Using the current numbers, that means more than 30 million people could have been infected, which would make the infection fatality rate 0.4% -- meaning 99.6% of people survive the virus. https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/good-health/2020/07/16/why-high-covid-19-survival-rate-is-no-reason-to-relax-safety-measures/ ---------------- CDC says masks don't work (https://drugstorenews.com/otc/cdc-study-reveals-face-masks-ineffective-against-spread-pandemic-flu-due-americans-lack-use). Please use quotes when quoting me or taking information from other websites This is very hard to follow. First, I never made the claim that all those who are vaccine hesitant are conspiracy theorists. Nope, just those who believe that the government is conspiring to hide the real side effects of the vaccine from the public, or who think they are going to introducing a bug like Marburg as a cover-up. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that there are no side-effects from Covid that we don't already know about. Phew, what a relief! I thought you believed that it was going to kill us all or something, hence the need for an insanely dramatic action of introducing a deadly virus like Marburg to cover up covid vaccine reactions. Just so I understand correctly though, you think the US government is going to use a virus like Marburg to kill half the population in an attempt to cover-up Covid vaccination reactions which is transparently being reported on a government website - VAERS? Wouldn't it just be easier to take down VAERS and hide the data? So many questions! If the reactions are already known, according to you, how is the cover-up going to work, exactly? Why kill so many people to cover up myocarditis, which we already know about? Or, are they trying to cover up the more nasty "snake bites' and "electrocution" reactions reported in VAERS? This really gave me a good chuckle though, so thanks for that: Quote CDC says masks don't work (https://drugstorenews.com/otc/cdc-study-reveals-face-masks-ineffective-against-spread-pandemic-flu-due-americans-lack-use). A few snippets from the wonderful article (thank you for sharing). Quote Due to American's lack of use Quote But it’s not because the masks don’t work, it’s because Americans are not likely to wear them. Quote We found that adherence to mask use significantly reduced the risk for ILI-associated [influenza-like illness] infection Quote “We concluded that household use of face masks is associated with low adherence and is ineffective for controlling seasonal respiratory disease. However, during a severe pandemic when use of face masks might be greater, pandemic transmission in households could be reduced.” Quote Masks may therefore play an important role in reducing transmission.” But no, lets falsely state that the CDC claims that masks don't work. You are messing with peoples lives! This is not a game. Stop wasting my time with such recklessness and misleading claims. Edited October 19, 2021 by pogi 4
The Nehor Posted October 19, 2021 Posted October 19, 2021 10 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: Yes. Something ("worst cold ever," another covid strain - each of which become less virulent but more easily transmissible, or Marburg) will need to take center stage and be blamed for the adverse reactions the covid injections will manifest. Still, I do hope something truly wonderful happens to you and the rest of us today Okay, so after they use Marburg infection to cover up the Covid vaccine injection side effects there will be a Marburg vaccine and what will we use to cover up those side-effects? Anthrax? 2
nuclearfuels Posted October 19, 2021 Author Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, The Nehor said: Okay, so after they use Marburg infection to cover up the Covid vaccine injection side effects there will be a Marburg vaccine and what will we use to cover up those side-effects? Anthrax? I don't anticipate the Marburg vaccine having side effects that need to be covered up.
The Nehor Posted October 19, 2021 Posted October 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, nuclearfuels said: I don't anticipate the Marburg vaccine having side effects that need to be covered up. But you do anticipate massive incoming side effects from multiple independently developed vaccines that are so severe that this massive international cabal of tens of thousands of people needs a fake epidemic to cover them up? If so, you are nuts.
nuclearfuels Posted October 19, 2021 Author Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, pogi said: Stop wasting my time with such recklessness and misleading claims. I continue hoping something wonderful and inspiring happens to you today. You are welcome to not respond to my posts. Out of 12 sources, you quoted from one. Not sure that's how persuasive arguments work. https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf All I'd really suggest or advocate is investing in these companies which Blackrock has already done: NOVACYT Genesig - rapid PCR test validation completed Soligenix - patented Marburg vaccine PrimerDesign Astrazeneca GlaxoSmithKlein - GSK Pfizer - Moderna - J&J – Abbot Laboratories
nuclearfuels Posted October 19, 2021 Author Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: But you do anticipate massive incoming side effects from multiple independently developed vaccines that are so severe that this massive international cabal of tens of thousands of people needs a fake epidemic to cover them up? I continue hoping that you'll be inspired by something wonderful today, Nehor. Yes - As the 6-month efficacy of the covid injections wears off en masse something like the "worst cold ever," or another covid strain or a marburg strain will be introduced in an attempt to justify another 18 month lockdown. Prepare accordingly, or don't. You can see this starting to happen already, and in Taiwan, a country with people who are much more healthy than the average American (based on obesity, diabetes rates): Taiwan death from COVID-19 vaccination exceeds death from COVID-19 https://medicaltrend.org/2021/10/10/taiwan-death-from-covid-19-vaccination-exceeds-death-from-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR0vYeqXFCsY6kJ0e-3CeaH9thqlSLgTc4AQY93jvNRNZpZZSHz2_XZzz0o Israel, one of the most highly injected populations in the world: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/23/israel-struggles-to-cope-with-surge-of-covid-infections-despite-v Ireland Singapore: The UK: Why are vaccinated people in the UK more likely to catch Covid? Good explanation: https://totalhealth.co.uk/blog/increased-covid-infections-vaccinated-caused-original-antigenic-sin… Quote Tweet Bobby Strong @RunFreedomRun · Oct 12 Replying to @RanvierQ and @arkmedic The mRNA transfections sabotage the body’s balanced (learned) immune response to coronaviruses by replacing it with a myopic response to a single protein. Like replacing your gun, grenade, axe and dagger with a single butter knife. -1
pogi Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: You are welcome to not respond to my posts. Nah. 2 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: Out of 12 sources, you quoted from one. I didn't see any other relevant information to vaccines or attempts to cover up vaccine side effects. You like to distract from the topic with unrelated information. Lots of it! I think you think that if you can throw enough junk at us, eventually something will stick. Actually, it just makes you look incapable of discussing your beliefs in a linear, good faith way. Perhaps because you are afraid of what you might find - I'm not sure. You never answered my questions about the cover up in my last post. Instead you send me off on another wild goose chase with "Blackrock". 2 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf What specifically do you want to discuss from this link? I like the cognitive dissonance part. This link claims that 150K people have died from the Covid vaccine. Do you believe that is true? Later they claime 276,996 thousand deaths from covid vaccine in the US. I am not sure which number to believe. Which do you believe is true? Either? Neither? Why? It also makes the point that "the one thing every hospitalized COVID patient has in common: they didn't use proven early treatment protocol." I'm not sure how they got access to HIPPA protected information of all hospitalized patients with COVID to confirm this, but lets pretend this is true...doesn't it suggest that early treatment isn't very reliable because people don't go get early treatment when it is just a mild infection. Once it becomes severe, it is too late! Hence the need for an effective vaccine. I don't appreciate the machine gun approach. One bit at a time please. Lets talk about Covid side effects and the cover up with Marburg. Edited October 20, 2021 by pogi 2
The Nehor Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 2 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: I continue hoping that you'll be inspired by something wonderful today, Nehor. Yes - As the 6-month efficacy of the covid injections wears off en masse something like the "worst cold ever," or another covid strain or a marburg strain will be introduced in an attempt to justify another 18 month lockdown. Prepare accordingly, or don't. You can see this starting to happen already, and in Taiwan, a country with people who are much more healthy than the average American (based on obesity, diabetes rates): Taiwan death from COVID-19 vaccination exceeds death from COVID-19 https://medicaltrend.org/2021/10/10/taiwan-death-from-covid-19-vaccination-exceeds-death-from-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR0vYeqXFCsY6kJ0e-3CeaH9thqlSLgTc4AQY93jvNRNZpZZSHz2_XZzz0o Israel, one of the most highly injected populations in the world: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/23/israel-struggles-to-cope-with-surge-of-covid-infections-despite-v Ireland Singapore: The UK: Why are vaccinated people in the UK more likely to catch Covid? Good explanation: https://totalhealth.co.uk/blog/increased-covid-infections-vaccinated-caused-original-antigenic-sin… Quote Tweet Bobby Strong @RunFreedomRun · Oct 12 Replying to @RanvierQ and @arkmedic The mRNA transfections sabotage the body’s balanced (learned) immune response to coronaviruses by replacing it with a myopic response to a single protein. Like replacing your gun, grenade, axe and dagger with a single butter knife. Your sources are lying. In Taiwan what your headline calls “deaths from Covid-19 vaccine” are actually “deaths after receiving the Covid-19 vaccine”. Very deceptively written. Kudos to the budding little Goebbels who wrote it. Taiwan has not found a link between those deaths and the vaccinations. Good job spreading lies there my friend. Israel is one of the most highly vaccinated populations in the world and we are supposed to be surprised that they have a higher % of vaccinated people getting Covid cases than elsewhere. Run that through the old brain processor again and see what comes out. Really ruminate on it. Keep at it. You’ll get there. As to why the UK has so many cases they delayed vaccine rollouts to adolescents and opened up more completely than other European nations. Surprise! Those increased transmission rates so more cases. As to Bobby at the end there he appears to have no qualifications and his analogy is deeply stupid. If this were the case that vaccination sabotages the immune system vaccinated people would be getting sick more….with everything. It is, of course, utter garbage. You tried to call out Pogi for not answering all of your links but the quality of your links is so low it is not worth the effort. Find more credible sources that back your lunatic theories. 4
nuclearfuels Posted October 20, 2021 Author Posted October 20, 2021 Updating with Nipah or a strain thereof as a possible contender, along with strains of Marburg https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Nipah+virus&iar=news&ia=news Nipah virus that kills HALF its victims is 'next pandemic threat', warns Covid jab scientist The Sun|8 days ago THE Nipah virus, which kills at least half of victims, is one of the world's next pandemic threats, an expert has warned. Oxford vaccine creator Professor Dame Sarah Gilbert said there is no Nipah virus could cause another deadly pandemic, warns the inventor of AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine Euronews|5 days ago So, what is the Nipah virus and should we be worried? The Nipah virus is not new and has been lurking for years. In 1999, the virus arrived in central Malaysia after it found a ho
nuclearfuels Posted October 20, 2021 Author Posted October 20, 2021 10 hours ago, pogi said: Lets talk about Covid side effects and the cover up with Marburg. So you think that Marburg (which could potentially kill more than half of the population of earth if it became airborne or more infectious), or something else, is currently being engineered to cover up for adverse reactions to covid vaccine? Would anyone in their right mind not fight for a hastily concocted vaccine if a strain of Marburg, which could potentially kill more than half of the population of earth if it became airborne or more infectious? Probably not. Have you ever wondered why people didn’t riot in order to obtain the covid injections? Surely you don’t think all those who are not yet injected are conspiracy theorists? That would be very conspiracy-theorist-type of thinking and, of course, perish the thought. https://www.bitchute.com/video/wMhMjLTVuR70/ - panel of doctors https://www.facebook.com/idahofreedom/videos/212746730593293/?fallback=1 – Dr. Ryan Cole You’ll need to do better than Google results from FactCheck which owns a significant amount of one of the Big Pharma Cartel companies peddiling the injections. Pfizer, I think, "Adverse reactions that covid injections will manifest"? They already have. VAERS which according to Harvard captures 1% of adverse reactions. When? At the macro level you may compare death rates YOY year over year according to your preferred cohorts (age, race, gender, location, etc.). What increase in that death rate would suggest something suspicious? That is the question. At the micro lovel, it’s all very formulaic but take: height, weight, age, race, gender, blood type, pre-existing conditions (obesity, diabetes, cancer, history of heart problems, parents, grandparents, hereditary genetic predispositions, etc.) of the target population you have in mind (fully vaxxed in the US perhaps, assuming google and the federal gov’t aren’t inflating the numbers, which they likely are). Then subtract the percentage that you believe/disbelieve received a placebo (I’ve read 30-50% though that seems high to me), and then compare death rates YOY. I’ve also heard that 66% of people who’ve been injected over 5 years will manifest significant adverse reactions, again due to the variance in age, weight, gender, race, health level, exercise, diet, environmental pollution, etc. YOY cohort comparison seems to be the most direct measurement. What kind of reactions do you anticipate? Those which have already manifest. Myocarditis and Pericarditis After Vaccination for COVID-19 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782900#248009130 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34118375/ Journal of Pediatrics: https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/148/3/e2021052644 https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf In this month’s issue of Pediatrics, Marshall et al report a case series describing seven 14- to 19-year-old male individuals who developed symptomatic myocarditis after the second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine.1 The authors report that the symptoms began between 2 and 4 days after the second dose and that all 7 patients experienced rapid resolution of symptoms. This case series is published in the context of other media reports of myocarditis in young adults, mostly male, from the US military and from Israel2 as well as a recent increase in reports of myocarditis after serious acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) vaccines to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).3 As such, this case series offers useful preliminary information on clinical and therapeutic details regarding myocarditis among adolescents. Deaths caused from covid injections – temporary removed by NIH (no reason given: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8483988/): A Report on Myocarditis Adverse Events in the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) in Association with COVID-19 Injectable Biological Products Jessica Rose 1, Peter A McCullough 2 Affiliations expand PMID: 34601006 PMCID: PMC8483988 DOI: 10.1016/j.cpcardiol.2021.101011 Free PMC article Abstract Following the global rollout and administration of the Pfizer Inc./BioNTech BNT162b2 and Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccines on December 17, 2020, in the United States, and of the Janssen Ad26.COV2.S product on April 1st, 2021, in an unprecedented manner, hundreds of thousands of individuals have reported adverse events (AEs) using the Vaccine Adverse Events Reports System (VAERS). We used VAERS data to examine cardiac AEs, primarily myocarditis, reported following injection of the first or second dose of the COVID-19 injectable products. Myocarditis rates reported in VAERS were significantly higher in youths between the ages of 13 to 23 (p<0.0001) with ∼80% occurring in males. Within 8 weeks of the public offering of COVID-19 products to the 12-15-year-old age group, we found 19 times the expected number of myocarditis cases in the vaccination volunteers over background myocarditis rates for this age group. In addition, a 5-fold increase in myocarditis rate was observed subsequent to dose 2 as opposed to dose 1 in 15-year-old males. A total of 67% of all cases occurred with BNT162b2. Of the total myocarditis AE reports, 6 individuals died (1.1%) and of these, 2 were under 20 years of age - 1 was 13. These findings suggest a markedly higher risk for myocarditis subsequent to COVID-19 injectable product use than for other known vaccines, and this is well above known background rates for myocarditis. COVID-19 injectable products are novel and have a genetic, pathogenic mechanism of action causing uncontrolled expression of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein within human cells. When you combine this fact with the temporal relationship of AE occurrence and reporting, biological plausibility of cause and effect, and the fact that these data are internally and externally consistent with emerging sources of clinical data, it supports a conclusion that the COVID-19 biological products are deterministic for the myocarditis cases observed after injection. Keywords: COVID-19; COVID-19-Injection-Related Myocarditis (CIRM); SARS-CoV-2; VAERS; adverse events (AEs); myocarditis. Copyright © 2021. Published by Elsevier Inc. If the reaction doesn't fit the symptom profile of Marburg, how is it going to work as a "cover up" exactly? Easy. Think of a Venn Diagram, the overlapping section in the middle. The symptoms of the Marburg strain will overlap with the adverse reactions of the covid injections, primarily due to polyethylene glycol, polysorbate, graphene oxide, and the mRNA which tells your body to create spike proteins to catch and kill the live, viral covid spike proteins when you’re exposed. If the reaction is cancer, we can't blame that on Marburg. If it is blindness, again, not Marburg. If it causes my innards to boil and explode, again, not Marburg. You seem to think that any bug (despite having different manifestations) will work perfectly as a cover up for this supposed covid injection reaction that we are all doomed to have. Some injections are designed to exacerbate underlying health problems. If exacerbating injections are deployed then, yes, we can attribute cancer, blindness, and boiling and exploding innards to exacerbating underlying genetic hereditary factors and predispositions. (Perhaps what you’re really trying to do is claim injections aren’t confounding or primary factors when they can easily be contributing factors and still highly, directly relevant.) That’s why the current injections restrict blood flow to certain areas while increasing it too much to others – due to the variance of the population’s existing preconditions. Would you rather have fewer people on earth and millions starving each year or would you reduce the population in a calm yet coercive fashion? You’re not that callous, are you? You’re not all doomed to have those side effects and I pray none of you have them. The real question is: how many grandparents, great aunts, great uncles, etc. need to die before it becomes suspicious? Especially when we’re all predisposed to say things like: They lived a good life. They’ve gone on to their glory. There’s a bigger group of people shouting them welcome than there are people here mourning their homegoing, etc. If you are so confident that there will be a reaction, you musts certainly know what will be the cause of the reaction. I know what contributing factors look like because of what has already been manifested. Without a known cause (a particular ingredient in the vaccine), then you can't be certain of anything. polyethylene glycol, polysorbate, graphene oxide as a start. mRNA-induced spike protein creation which increased blood flow and decreases blood flow to existing areas the person’s body already has. Also, if you are so confident that covid vaccines will cause a reaction so terrible that Marburg would be needed to cover it up, you must be beyond furious that our prophet who you claim to sustain is mandating that our children be vaccinated for their missions? They don't get a choice if they want to serve as they are called by the Lord. It seems presumptuous of me, were I missionary age, to assume I would be serving internationally. Submitting papers with a preference for any location, then after receiving the call, and if it was outside of your country, then sure, get vaxxed if you feel the risk and cost-benefit are appropriate for your risk appetite. More to your point – since it’s prophesied that all the missionaries will be called home – whether that means all missions are temporarily closed or whether it means all missionaries serve domestically, which we’ve already seen due to covid, I don’t know – why would I risk my health in exchange for the potential to serve in another country – after presuming I know better than the General Authorities as to where I will serve? Unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures. If the Prophet whom I sustain encouraged some of us to do things that would speed up the time when we go to our glory, why would anyone begrudge him for that? What do you expect him to do – advise against the injections? The Church handbook accurately discusses vaccines and says it’s best left to the individual and their physician. (This might be due to the variance in the health of members of the Church but I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy theorist) Let me guess, you are suffering it to be so... No, the Lord is and so is his Prophet. I’m not willing. I am hoping wonderful things happen to you and all of us, as the next few years will depend on little more than good will. If you think the shortages we’re facing now are inconvenient, just wait. Unprecedented times and all that. Instead of being inspired by all the other passages in the BoM and Bible that call the righteous to intervene against wicked designs, you are going to take the popcorn and recliner option to watch it all unfold? Yes. What would you suggest for someone w/ pre-existing conditions and a medical exemption- a FEMA camp perhaps? Or buy lots of guns and ammo? Careful, pogi, sometimes you really flirt with those conspiracy theorist ideas. But wait, there’s more: A new Centers for Disease Control report shows 94% of people who died from COVID-19 in the U.S. had contributing health conditions. (https://www.axios.com/cdc-covid-deaths-contributing-health-conditions-3315196c-986f-4ae3-ba35-2075fd64bce1.html - This means 6% died from COVID and not contributing health conditions. That's 36,480 out of the 608,000 US deaths due to COVID.) -------- The US Center for Disease Control (CDC) has released an update to their research on the fatality rate associated with COVID-19. The CDC first posted this data on May 20, 2020, with the understanding that the parameter values would be updated and augmented over time. This update, dated September 10th, is based on data received by CDC through August 8, 2020. A quick summary of COVID-19 survival rates is shown below. The summary is based on the CDC table provided at the end of this report. CDC COVID-19 Survival Rates Age 0-19 — 99.997% Age 20-49 — 99.98% Age 50-69 — 99.5% Age 70+ — 94.6% https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/09/26/cdc-releases-updated-covid-19-fatality-rate-data/ -------- But because of the significant number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic people with COVID-19, the Centers For Disease Control and Prevention estimates the number of infected people could be 10 times the number of confirmed cases. Using the current numbers, that means more than 30 million people could have been infected, which would make the infection fatality rate 0.4% -- meaning 99.6% of people survive the virus. https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/good-health/2020/07/16/why-high-covid-19-survival-rate-is-no-reason-to-relax-safety-measures/ ---------------- CDC says masks don't work (https://drugstorenews.com/otc/cdc-study-reveals-face-masks-ineffective-against-spread-pandemic-flu-due-americans-lack-use).
nuclearfuels Posted October 20, 2021 Author Posted October 20, 2021 Still hopinh wonderful things happen to Nehor, pogi, and all the mod's here. Just FYI - I'm starting to get -1 votes here, just incase I'm not able to respond with more peer-reviewed studies.
The Nehor Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, nuclearfuels said: Updating with Nipah or a strain thereof as a possible contender, along with strains of Marburg https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Nipah+virus&iar=news&ia=news Nipah virus that kills HALF its victims is 'next pandemic threat', warns Covid jab scientist The Sun|8 days ago THE Nipah virus, which kills at least half of victims, is one of the world's next pandemic threats, an expert has warned. Oxford vaccine creator Professor Dame Sarah Gilbert said there is no Nipah virus could cause another deadly pandemic, warns the inventor of AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine Euronews|5 days ago So, what is the Nipah virus and should we be worried? The Nipah virus is not new and has been lurking for years. In 1999, the virus arrived in central Malaysia after it found a ho A “Covid Jab Scientist”? Sounds like a very specific and badly named job. Are we going to get updates every other month or so every time a rare disease infects someone warning that this will be the disease they blame everything on? You do know these events aren’t rare right? They happen all the time. Edit: Oh, and you are a conspiracy theory loon. Just thought you should know. Edited October 20, 2021 by The Nehor 2
nuclearfuels Posted October 20, 2021 Author Posted October 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, The Nehor said: A “Covid Jab Scientist”? Sounds like a very specific and badly named job. Are we going to get updates every other month or so every time a rare disease infects someone warning that this will be the disease they blame everything on? You do know these events aren’t rare right? They happen all the time. Edit: Oh, and you are a conspiracy theory loon. Just thought you should know. Still hoping wonderful inspiring things happen to you today and every day, the Nehor. Love how all the sources I provided don't qualify for your review. That's cool, though. I guess that's what convincing arguments do
pogi Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 12 hours ago, pogi said: Lets talk about Covid side effects and the cover up with Marburg. 2 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: So you think that Marburg (which could potentially kill more than half of the population of earth if it became airborne or more infectious), or something else, is currently being engineered to cover up for adverse reactions to covid vaccine? Would anyone in their right mind not fight for a hastily concocted vaccine if a strain of Marburg, which could potentially kill more than half of the population of earth if it became airborne or more infectious? Probably not. Have you ever wondered why people didn’t riot in order to obtain the covid injections? Surely you don’t think all those who are not yet injected are conspiracy theorists? That would be very conspiracy-theorist-type of thinking and, of course, perish the thought. https://www.bitchute.com/video/wMhMjLTVuR70/ - panel of doctors https://www.facebook.com/idahofreedom/videos/212746730593293/?fallback=1 – Dr. Ryan Cole You’ll need to do better than Google results from FactCheck which owns a significant amount of one of the Big Pharma Cartel companies peddiling the injections. Pfizer, I think, "Adverse reactions that covid injections will manifest"? They already have. VAERS which according to Harvard captures 1% of adverse reactions. When? At the macro level you may compare death rates YOY year over year according to your preferred cohorts (age, race, gender, location, etc.). What increase in that death rate would suggest something suspicious? That is the question. At the micro lovel, it’s all very formulaic but take: height, weight, age, race, gender, blood type, pre-existing conditions (obesity, diabetes, cancer, history of heart problems, parents, grandparents, hereditary genetic predispositions, etc.) of the target population you have in mind (fully vaxxed in the US perhaps, assuming google and the federal gov’t aren’t inflating the numbers, which they likely are). Then subtract the percentage that you believe/disbelieve received a placebo (I’ve read 30-50% though that seems high to me), and then compare death rates YOY. I’ve also heard that 66% of people who’ve been injected over 5 years will manifest significant adverse reactions, again due to the variance in age, weight, gender, race, health level, exercise, diet, environmental pollution, etc. YOY cohort comparison seems to be the most direct measurement. What kind of reactions do you anticipate? Those which have already manifest. Myocarditis and Pericarditis After Vaccination for COVID-19 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782900#248009130 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34118375/ Journal of Pediatrics: https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/148/3/e2021052644 https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf In this month’s issue of Pediatrics, Marshall et al report a case series describing seven 14- to 19-year-old male individuals who developed symptomatic myocarditis after the second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine.1 The authors report that the symptoms began between 2 and 4 days after the second dose and that all 7 patients experienced rapid resolution of symptoms. This case series is published in the context of other media reports of myocarditis in young adults, mostly male, from the US military and from Israel2 as well as a recent increase in reports of myocarditis after serious acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) vaccines to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).3 As such, this case series offers useful preliminary information on clinical and therapeutic details regarding myocarditis among adolescents. Deaths caused from covid injections – temporary removed by NIH (no reason given: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8483988/): A Report on Myocarditis Adverse Events in the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) in Association with COVID-19 Injectable Biological Products Jessica Rose 1, Peter A McCullough 2 Affiliations expand PMID: 34601006 PMCID: PMC8483988 DOI: 10.1016/j.cpcardiol.2021.101011 Free PMC article Abstract Following the global rollout and administration of the Pfizer Inc./BioNTech BNT162b2 and Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccines on December 17, 2020, in the United States, and of the Janssen Ad26.COV2.S product on April 1st, 2021, in an unprecedented manner, hundreds of thousands of individuals have reported adverse events (AEs) using the Vaccine Adverse Events Reports System (VAERS). We used VAERS data to examine cardiac AEs, primarily myocarditis, reported following injection of the first or second dose of the COVID-19 injectable products. Myocarditis rates reported in VAERS were significantly higher in youths between the ages of 13 to 23 (p<0.0001) with ∼80% occurring in males. Within 8 weeks of the public offering of COVID-19 products to the 12-15-year-old age group, we found 19 times the expected number of myocarditis cases in the vaccination volunteers over background myocarditis rates for this age group. In addition, a 5-fold increase in myocarditis rate was observed subsequent to dose 2 as opposed to dose 1 in 15-year-old males. A total of 67% of all cases occurred with BNT162b2. Of the total myocarditis AE reports, 6 individuals died (1.1%) and of these, 2 were under 20 years of age - 1 was 13. These findings suggest a markedly higher risk for myocarditis subsequent to COVID-19 injectable product use than for other known vaccines, and this is well above known background rates for myocarditis. COVID-19 injectable products are novel and have a genetic, pathogenic mechanism of action causing uncontrolled expression of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein within human cells. When you combine this fact with the temporal relationship of AE occurrence and reporting, biological plausibility of cause and effect, and the fact that these data are internally and externally consistent with emerging sources of clinical data, it supports a conclusion that the COVID-19 biological products are deterministic for the myocarditis cases observed after injection. Keywords: COVID-19; COVID-19-Injection-Related Myocarditis (CIRM); SARS-CoV-2; VAERS; adverse events (AEs); myocarditis. Copyright © 2021. Published by Elsevier Inc. If the reaction doesn't fit the symptom profile of Marburg, how is it going to work as a "cover up" exactly? Easy. Think of a Venn Diagram, the overlapping section in the middle. The symptoms of the Marburg strain will overlap with the adverse reactions of the covid injections, primarily due to polyethylene glycol, polysorbate, graphene oxide, and the mRNA which tells your body to create spike proteins to catch and kill the live, viral covid spike proteins when you’re exposed. If the reaction is cancer, we can't blame that on Marburg. If it is blindness, again, not Marburg. If it causes my innards to boil and explode, again, not Marburg. You seem to think that any bug (despite having different manifestations) will work perfectly as a cover up for this supposed covid injection reaction that we are all doomed to have. Some injections are designed to exacerbate underlying health problems. If exacerbating injections are deployed then, yes, we can attribute cancer, blindness, and boiling and exploding innards to exacerbating underlying genetic hereditary factors and predispositions. (Perhaps what you’re really trying to do is claim injections aren’t confounding or primary factors when they can easily be contributing factors and still highly, directly relevant.) That’s why the current injections restrict blood flow to certain areas while increasing it too much to others – due to the variance of the population’s existing preconditions. Would you rather have fewer people on earth and millions starving each year or would you reduce the population in a calm yet coercive fashion? You’re not that callous, are you? You’re not all doomed to have those side effects and I pray none of you have them. The real question is: how many grandparents, great aunts, great uncles, etc. need to die before it becomes suspicious? Especially when we’re all predisposed to say things like: They lived a good life. They’ve gone on to their glory. There’s a bigger group of people shouting them welcome than there are people here mourning their homegoing, etc. If you are so confident that there will be a reaction, you musts certainly know what will be the cause of the reaction. I know what contributing factors look like because of what has already been manifested. Without a known cause (a particular ingredient in the vaccine), then you can't be certain of anything. Also, if you are so confident that covid vaccines will cause a reaction so terrible that Marburg would be needed to cover it up, you must be beyond furious that our prophet who you claim to sustain is mandating that our children be vaccinated for their missions? They don't get a choice if they want to serve as they are called by the Lord. It seems presumptuous of me, were I missionary age, to assume I would be serving internationally. Submitting papers with a preference for any location, then after receiving the call, and if it was outside of your country, then sure, get vaxxed if you feel the risk and cost-benefit are appropriate for your risk appetite. More to your point – since it’s prophesied that all the missionaries will be called home – whether that means all missions are temporarily closed or whether it means all missionaries serve domestically, which we’ve already seen due to covid, I don’t know – why would I risk my health in exchange for the potential to serve in another country – after presuming I know better than the General Authorities as to where I will serve? Unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures. If the Prophet whom I sustain encouraged some of us to do things that would speed up the time when we go to our glory, why would anyone begrudge him for that? What do you expect him to do – advise against the injections? The Church handbook accurately discusses vaccines and says it’s best left to the individual and their physician. (This might be due to the variance in the health of members of the Church but I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy theorist) Let me guess, you are suffering it to be so... No, the Lord is and so is his Prophet. I’m not willing. I am hoping wonderful things happen to you and all of us, as the next few years will depend on little more than good will. If you think the shortages we’re facing now are inconvenient, just wait. Unprecedented times and all that. Instead of being inspired by all the other passages in the BoM and Bible that call the righteous to intervene against wicked designs, you are going to take the popcorn and recliner option to watch it all unfold? Yes. What would you suggest for someone w/ pre-existing conditions and a medical exemption- a FEMA camp perhaps? Or buy lots of guns and ammo? Careful, pogi, sometimes you really flirt with those conspiracy theorist ideas. But wait, there’s more: A new Centers for Disease Control report shows 94% of people who died from COVID-19 in the U.S. had contributing health conditions. (https://www.axios.com/cdc-covid-deaths-contributing-health-conditions-3315196c-986f-4ae3-ba35-2075fd64bce1.html - This means 6% died from COVID and not contributing health conditions. That's 36,480 out of the 608,000 US deaths due to COVID.) -------- The US Center for Disease Control (CDC) has released an update to their research on the fatality rate associated with COVID-19. The CDC first posted this data on May 20, 2020, with the understanding that the parameter values would be updated and augmented over time. This update, dated September 10th, is based on data received by CDC through August 8, 2020. A quick summary of COVID-19 survival rates is shown below. The summary is based on the CDC table provided at the end of this report. CDC COVID-19 Survival Rates Age 0-19 — 99.997% Age 20-49 — 99.98% Age 50-69 — 99.5% Age 70+ — 94.6% https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/09/26/cdc-releases-updated-covid-19-fatality-rate-data/ -------- But because of the significant number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic people with COVID-19, the Centers For Disease Control and Prevention estimates the number of infected people could be 10 times the number of confirmed cases. Using the current numbers, that means more than 30 million people could have been infected, which would make the infection fatality rate 0.4% -- meaning 99.6% of people survive the virus. https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/good-health/2020/07/16/why-high-covid-19-survival-rate-is-no-reason-to-relax-safety-measures/ ---------------- CDC says masks don't work (https://drugstorenews.com/otc/cdc-study-reveals-face-masks-ineffective-against-spread-pandemic-flu-due-americans-lack-use). Ummmm....why are you reposting this? Why do you make me parse through all the fluff? You could have simply stated "myocarditis and pericarditis". I am still at a loss as to why you think the US government would be willing to kill half the population of earth to "cover up" some acute cases of myocarditis that are self-resolving which are transparently being reported by the government, even you claim that we already know what the side effects are...SO WHY KILL HALF THE POPULATION??? This is truly bonkers! Quote Easy. Think of a Venn Diagram, the overlapping section in the middle. The symptoms of the Marburg strain will overlap with the adverse reactions of the covid injections, primarily due to polyethylene glycol, polysorbate, graphene oxide, and the mRNA which tells your body to create spike proteins to catch and kill the live, viral covid spike proteins when you’re exposed. CFR that graphene oxide is in any of the Covid vaccines. Here let me help you out with the list of all ingredients: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/covid-19-vaccines-us.html#Appendix-C Polyethylene glycol and polysorbate are commonly used in other vaccines (like the annual flu shot) and other injectable medicines. They have been used for years. You are starting to sound like an antivaxer in general - not just with Covid. It seems that is where you are getting a lot of your information. I don't know what you are talking about with overlap. Marburg doesn't cause myocarditis - which seems to be your biggest concern with the vaccine. And the vaccine doesn't cause hemorrhagic death. Not sure where the overlap is. It would be pretty easy to tell who is infected with Marburg vs having a vaccine reaction. There is also a test for Marburg, so it wouldn't be hard to rule out Marburg and identify vaccine reactions. This is just really coocoo for coco puffs stuff here. 3
pogi Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 2 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: Updating with Nipah or a strain thereof as a possible contender, along with strains of Marburg https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Nipah+virus&iar=news&ia=news I am daily updated with infectious disease outbreaks across the globe. Would you like me to keep you up to date with other good contenders? We have a resurgence of Ebola in Beni, North Kivu Province. We have a Group B Strep outbreak in Hong Kong. There's cholera outbreak in Mali, Gao Region. Oh interesting, in Malaysia there is a huge spike in alcohol contamination/poisonings - maybe the government will just poison our food instead of infect us with disease. Seems easier to control. I'll keep an eye out for more good stuff to assist in your confirmation bias. 4
The Nehor Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 6 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: Still hoping wonderful inspiring things happen to you today and every day, the Nehor. Love how all the sources I provided don't qualify for your review. That's cool, though. I guess that's what convincing arguments do What do you want me to say about your “sources”? You are alleging something will happen at some undisclosed point in the future with no specifics (you can’t even decide which disease it is even about) and are asking everyone to read your looney bin sources and do what? Rationally prove what? Discredit what? Do you know how unhinged this is? Like I said, you are nuts. 1
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, pogi said: Maybe the government will just poison our food instead of infect us with disease. Seems easier to control. Or water! Seriously, an elaborate scheme that requires not one but multiple fake pandemics to convince people to accept a secretly deadly vaccine is something that a Batman villain would dream up. Real people would just put whatever is supposedly in the vaccine in our government-run water supplies and then wait the two years for everyone to die off. Easy! Edited October 21, 2021 by Hamba Tuhan 1
The Nehor Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said: Or water! Seriously, an elaborate scheme that requires not one but multiple fake pandemics to convince people to accept a secretly deadly vaccine is something that a Batman villain would dream up. Real people would just put whatever is supposedly in the vaccine in our government-run water supplies and then wait the two years for everyone to die off. Easy! The water one has already been done.
mfbukowski Posted October 22, 2021 Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) On 10/13/2021 at 1:03 PM, nuclearfuels said: Marburg, a type of Ebola, is being found. How does this relate, if at all, to covid? Perhaps I should restock my food storage? You should always have a full food storage. The really bad stuff hasn't even started yet Edited October 22, 2021 by mfbukowski
longview Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 6:34 AM, nuclearfuels said: Love how all the sources I provided don't qualify for your review. -2
The Nehor Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, longview said: So stupid. Is this the best propaganda you can find? It is almost like they aren’t comparable because one was a decision to risk lives to beat Nazis so other people would not die. The other is avoiding a dangerous disease that, if you get it, might make you and others die. Charging the beaches of Normandy was an attempt to save lives. Avoiding Covid is a choice to save lives. Dying at Normandy meant you died opposing evil. Dying slowly over weeks on a ventilator often means you died because you were afraid of a needle and/or you thought masks are uncomfy. Stolen valor to an absurd degree. Comparing going maskless and refusing vaccines to fighting Nazis. Especially when the modern Nazis are one of the groups promoting going maskless and refusing vaccines. Still think one should always be punching Nazis and get vaccinated and wear a mask.
pogi Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 11 hours ago, longview said: Shall we compare the death tolls? 1
The Nehor Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 Fun semi-related fact: World War 2 was the first major military conflict we know of that had more deaths due to enemy action than disease. World War 1 almost got the title but the Spanish Flu cost them the “honor”. 2
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