Anger no management

[bOObOO]

1 minute ago, Canadiandude said:

I’m sure that there are other interpretations of what this Proverbs reference actually means.

 

I agree that physical discipline is sometimes necessary but I usually find that its strongest proponents tend to also be the ones that cannot tell the difference between doling out temporary discomfort and long-standing emotional and physical abuse.

 

Reciprocity is real and one shouldn’t be surprised if some of the former students of this ‘school of hard-knocks’ return to dole out some fire of their own.

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.

You might not be up for that. It leaves deep and abiding scars on society should people come to the conclusion that ‘might makes right’.

 

 

As a parent I saw and still see a spanking as a means to an end, a tool of sorts, and I was and still am aware of other tools I could and can use.  And it is not my favorite tool, either.  Just something in my toolbox I can use if I feel it is necessary.

I would always prefer to have a calm, relaxed discussion to try to talk things through with my child.  I'd never want to use physical discipline if I could reach my child on an emotional and intellectual level through calm discussion.

Even our Father went to war with his son Lucifer, casting him down here, against his will.  Sometimes a calm discussion just will not work, so another means of discipline is necessary, otherwise there would be disorder in my own home.

[The Nehor]

45 minutes ago, bOObOO said:

Spare the rod, spoil the child.  I think a good smacking can do wonders to discipline a child, even without using a rod.

I will approve this as long as I can do it to adults who deserve it.

Physical discipline tends to instill in people the belief that the strong can hurt the weak when they choose. It might be a useful lesson on life but it is not a moral one.

[The Nehor]

7 minutes ago, bOObOO said:

As a parent I saw and still see a spanking as a means to an end, a tool of sorts, and I was and still am aware of other tools I could and can use.  And it is not my favorite tool, either.  Just something in my toolbox I can use if I feel it is necessary.

I would always prefer to have a calm, relaxed discussion to try to talk things through with my child.  I'd never want to use physical discipline if I could reach my child on an emotional and intellectual level through calm discussion.

Even our Father went to war with his son Lucifer, casting him down here, against his will.  Sometimes a calm discussion just will not work, so another means of discipline is necessary, otherwise there would be disorder in my own home.

So you should be smacked around a bit for ban evasion? We tried having a calm and relaxed discussion about it so time to bust out the rod!

[Canadiandude]

I hope u/bOObOO/ likes pain…

[bOObOO]

3 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

I will approve this as long as I can do it to adults who deserve it.

So you're agreeing it could be beneficial?  Else why else would you do it?

3 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Physical discipline tends to instill in people the belief that the strong can hurt the weak when they choose. It might be a useful lesson on life but it is not a moral one.

It is worth taking note of that fact.  The strong can hurt the weak when or if the strong chooses to do so.  If the weak recognizes that fact it can act as a deterrent. If not, physical force may be necessary.  A life lesson worth learning. 

[bOObOO]

9 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

So you should be smacked around a bit for ban evasion? We tried having a calm and relaxed discussion about it so time to bust out the rod!

Are you threatening me with physical violence?  Are you saying you think it may be necessary to use a rod against me?  And here I thought we were getting along so well together.

[Canadiandude]

1 minute ago, bOObOO said:

Are you threatening me with physical violence?  Are you saying you think it may be necessary to use a rod against me?  And here I thought we were getting along so well together.

 

9 minutes ago, Canadiandude said:

I hope u/bOObOO/ likes pain…

Apparently not. Like I said, far too many give lip service to conflicts’ contours but few can actually take what they give.

Reciprocity really is an important concept.

[Canadiandude]

Is there anything else divine about anger that the OP finds is kinda under analyzed?

[bOObOO]

8 minutes ago, Canadiandude said:

 

Apparently not. Like I said, far too many give lip service to conflicts’ contours but few can actually take what they give.

Reciprocity really is an important concept.

At this point I am still open to discussion.  Do you see a need for escalation to violence?  I don't.  If you do, though, have at it, if you feel it is necessary.  I will respond however I feel is necessary, as always.

[The Nehor]

52 minutes ago, bOObOO said:

Are you threatening me with physical violence?  Are you saying you think it may be necessary to use a rod against me?  And here I thought we were getting along so well together.

Oh boy.

55 minutes ago, bOObOO said:

So you're agreeing it could be beneficial?  Else why else would you do it?

Sadism? A boost to my ego? A desire for control? All kinds of reasons.

56 minutes ago, bOObOO said:

It is worth taking note of that fact.  The strong can hurt the weak when or if the strong chooses to do so.  If the weak recognizes that fact it can act as a deterrent. If not, physical force may be necessary.  A life lesson worth learning. 

“…every man fared in this life according to the management of the creature; therefore every man prospered according to his genius, and that every man conquered according to his strength; and whatsoever a man did was no crime.”

It is from the Book of Mormon so I guess you are right. Now I need to go manipulate and beat people until I get what I want.

[Metis_LDS]

8 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

It is from the Book of Mormon so I guess you are right. Now I need to go manipulate and beat people until I get what I want.

Nehor It is just me or does bOObOO sound like AHAB????🤫

Edited August 12, 2021 by Metis_LDS

[The Nehor]

5 minutes ago, Metis_LDS said:

Nehor It is just me or does bOObOO sound like AHAB????🤫

I saw him running down the coast with a speargun ranting about how he was gonna get that albino whale this time.

[Metis_LDS]

Just now, The Nehor said:

I saw him running down the coast with a speargun ranting about how he was gonna get that albino whale this time.

Thar!! She Blows Captain. 

[bOObOO]

29 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

“…every man fared in this life according to the management of the creature; therefore every man prospered according to his genius, and that every man conquered according to his strength; and whatsoever a man did was no crime.”

It is from the Book of Mormon so I guess you are right. Now I need to go manipulate and beat people until I get what I want.

Oh boy, indeed.  You were joking, though, so I will just laugh at what you said.

[bOObOO]

23 minutes ago, Metis_LDS said:

Nehor It is just me or does bOObOO sound like AHAB????🤫

Again, the name is bOObOO.  Say it slowly. bOO bOO

[The Nehor]

1 minute ago, bOObOO said:

Oh boy, indeed.  You were joking, though, so I will just laugh at what you said.

I was not joking that I find the use of force from the strong to compel the weak to comply with their wishes a dubious thing. I think the use of pain to encourage obedience is downright odious.

I really don’t care if a Jewish proverb disagrees with me.

[Chum]

On 8/11/2021 at 1:53 PM, bOObOO said:

A loss of self-control of one's own thoughts and feelings.

This also describes a crush and being in the presence of Thai Basil Curry

[Chum]

2 hours ago, bOObOO said:

Spare the rod, spoil the child.  I think a good smacking can do wonders to discipline a child, even without using a rod.

1) Scores of folks with generational PTSD indicate there are better ways to adult.

2) Same language used to justify mistreating women.

3) Inflicting shock is often about shifting the burden of parenting from the adult to the child

[bOObOO]

1 minute ago, The Nehor said:

I was not joking that I find the use of force from the strong to compel the weak to comply with their wishes a dubious thing. I think the use of pain to encourage obedience is downright odious.

I really don’t care if a Jewish proverb disagrees with me.

So what do you think of our Father casting Satan down here to this planet, after the war in heaven, when we (the good guys and gals) defeated him and the third of us who followed him?  That involved more than just a spanking, I think.  It was a real war.

Or is it only a particular type of pain that you do not approve of, when the strong exercises its power over the weak?  Who do you think it is who causes us to feel the emotional pain of remorse when we become aware that we have done a bad thing?

The good is there to help us recognize what is evil, and there is no doubt in my mind that the force and power of good greatly outweighs and overpowers all of the forces of evil.  And the good will always be triumphant over all that is evil, which causes pain to the wicked.  Or do you somehow believe the evil enjoy or will enjoy that kind of thing?

[Chum]

1 hour ago, bOObOO said:

Are you threatening me with physical violence?  Are you saying you think it may be necessary to use a rod against me? 

Pretend you're a child who earned it

[Chum]

3 minutes ago, bOObOO said:

So what do you think of our Father casting Satan down here to this planet, after the war in heaven, when we (the good guys and gals) defeated him and the third of us who followed him?

That's an impressively far reach to justify striking children. Good luck maintaining the logic chain.

[bOObOO]

6 minutes ago, Chum said:

1) Scores of folks with generational PTSD indicate there are better ways to adult.

2) Same language used to justify mistreating women.

3) Inflicting shock is often about shifting the burden of parenting from the adult to the child

It is a difficult issue to talk about, isn't it.  When if ever is it appropriate to use physical force to discipline a child, or an adult.  I am not one of those who believes it is never appropriate.  I believe it is sometimes necessary. Preferably without getting too bloody.

[bOObOO]

8 minutes ago, Chum said:

Pretend you're a child who earned it

I would appreciate someone explaining to me why they think I earned it.  My Dad often helped me with that, before he spanked me.  He let me know I did wrong, helping me to understand how, answering my questions if I had any, and then he would spank me.

And look how well I turned out!  And I'm still getting better and better!

[The Nehor]

6 minutes ago, bOObOO said:

And look how well I turned out!  And I'm still getting better and better!

You’re the first person in a long time I have heard use that justification without a hint of irony.

[The Nehor]

21 minutes ago, bOObOO said:

So what do you think of our Father casting Satan down here to this planet, after the war in heaven, when we (the good guys and gals) defeated him and the third of us who followed him?  That involved more than just a spanking, I think.  It was a real war.

Or is it only a particular type of pain that you do not approve of, when the strong exercises its power over the weak?  Who do you think it is who causes us to feel the emotional pain of remorse when we become aware that we have done a bad thing?

The good is there to help us recognize what is evil, and there is no doubt in my mind that the force and power of good greatly outweighs and overpowers all of the forces of evil.  And the good will always be triumphant over all that is evil, which causes pain to the wicked.  Or do you somehow believe the evil enjoy or will enjoy that kind of thing?

Using the idea that God with perfect judgement can use a tool to imply that he wants us to use the same tool is a bit of a stretch.

Or, to quote my Mission President: “You are not God.”