mfbukowski Posted February 6, 2021 Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) Love this. It is the way I think. Anyone else? Scroll down to the Thomas Hornsby Ferril piece https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/2021/02/football-faith-and-freud.html Edited February 6, 2021 by mfbukowski 1
strappinglad Posted February 6, 2021 Posted February 6, 2021 Interesting thoughts. Will anthropologists nod in quiet agreement? Side note: It is debatable whether any of the participants are still ' virgins' .😎 1
Stargazer Posted February 6, 2021 Posted February 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, strappinglad said: Interesting thoughts. Will anthropologists nod in quiet agreement? Side note: It is debatable whether any of the participants are still ' virgins' .😎 Completely off-topic, but your current sig reads: "Sometimes you have to make a decision in order to make a decision". To which I say, it sounds paradoxical, but it truly isn't. I have had situations where I didn't know whether I wanted to go one way on a decision, or the other. I have found that the easiest way to resolve the issue is, in fact, to decide. It almost always results in either an instant regret or an instant confirmation. Then, if regret, I change to the other alternative, and if not, then I continue. This doesn't always work, but it frequently does. 1
CV75 Posted February 6, 2021 Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, mfbukowski said: Love this. It is the way I think. Anyone else? Scroll down to the Thomas Hornsby Ferril piece https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/2021/02/football-faith-and-freud.html And it all ties back to corrupted versions of the gospel passed along from earlier dispensations.
mfbukowski Posted February 6, 2021 Author Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, CV75 said: And it all ties back to corrupted versions of the gospel passed along from earlier dispensations. Maybe not. Maybe it's just different ways of seeing. Rabbit or duck? Here there's even two interpretations of one interpretation Which interpretation represents the illusion better? 😜 Which is corrupted and which is true? Edited February 6, 2021 by mfbukowski 1
strappinglad Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 That's a duckbilled platyrabit. Then there is the western jackalope seen below jackalope - Bing images 1
mfbukowski Posted February 7, 2021 Author Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, strappinglad said: That's a duckbilled platyrabit. Then there is the western jackalope seen below jackalope - Bing images Are you from the Dakotas? Driving to Mt. Rushmore there are/were signs advertising jackalope. For hundreds of miles. We should ask @Scott Lloyd what the correct plural term is. I think the Dakotas were where they were first discovered. 🤔😏
strappinglad Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Are you from the Dakotas? No, but we here have a lot of pronghorn antelope and jack rabbits, so it was almost inevitable that there would be a hybridization. A local garage here even has a jackelope mounted on the wall. I'm guessing the plural of antelope is antelope, similar to the word deer and moose and caribou .
Scott Lloyd Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 6 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Are you from the Dakotas? Driving to Mt. Rushmore there are/were signs advertising jackalope. For hundreds of miles. We should ask @Scott Lloyd what the correct plural term is. I think the Dakotas were where they were first discovered. 🤔😏 “The Dakotas” is the correct plural term, but that raises the question* of how a person could be from both of the Dakotas at the same time. One is either from North Dakota or from South Dakota. *Notice I didn’t say it “begs” the question. 😉
Scott Lloyd Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 10 hours ago, Stargazer said: Completely off-topic, but your current sig reads: "Sometimes you have to make a decision in order to make a decision". To which I say, it sounds paradoxical, but it truly isn't. I have had situations where I didn't know whether I wanted to go one way on a decision, or the other. I have found that the easiest way to resolve the issue is, in fact, to decide. It almost always results in either an instant regret or an instant confirmation. Then, if regret, I change to the other alternative, and if not, then I continue. This doesn't always work, but it frequently does. That’s fine unless there’s no turning back once a commitment is made.
Stargazer Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said: That’s fine unless there’s no turning back once a commitment is made. Yes, those kinds of decisions are not good candidates for the method!
mfbukowski Posted February 7, 2021 Author Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said: “The Dakotas” is the correct plural term, but that raises the question* of how a person could be from both of the Dakotas at the same time. One is either from North Dakota or from South Dakota. *Notice I didn’t say it “begs” the question. 😉 I am glad. I tend to become a raving maniac when someone misuses "begs the question" 😡 But I was actually horribly concerned with getting the plural of "jackalope" correct. Should it remain "jackalope" or "jackalopes"? The former seems snooty in context but simply adding the "s" seems inherently incorrect. Next time I see a herd (or is it "a jangle"?) of jackalope(s) I want to say it correctly. 1
mfbukowski Posted February 7, 2021 Author Posted February 7, 2021 12 hours ago, Stargazer said: Completely off-topic, but your current sig reads: "Sometimes you have to make a decision in order to make a decision". To which I say, it sounds paradoxical, but it truly isn't. I have had situations where I didn't know whether I wanted to go one way on a decision, or the other. I have found that the easiest way to resolve the issue is, in fact, to decide. It almost always results in either an instant regret or an instant confirmation. Then, if regret, I change to the other alternative, and if not, then I continue. This doesn't always work, but it frequently does. While teaching a class, once I was asked to define "sin". My answer was "something that seems like a good idea at the time, but isn't." 3
Stargazer Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: *Notice I didn’t say it “begs” the question. 😉 Yes, I cringe everytime I hear this misuse But to be fair, the term does lend itself to misunderstanding. And we're not going to escape it, either, since it's pretty entrenched in modern vernacular usage that "begging the question" is often used to mean "raising the question" or "suggesting the question". And anyway, how does "begging the question" come out of "assuming the conclusion" -- what does begging have to do with it? And I was amused to discover that the English is a mistranslation of the Latin term, which was in its turn a mistranslation of Aristotle's original Greek name for the fallacy. See "Begging the question": we have answers for an interesting investigation into how we got to this point. I no longer try to correct people on it. It's a waste of time. 2
Stargazer Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: I am glad. I tend to become a raving maniac when someone misuses "begs the question" 😡 But I was actually horribly concerned with getting the plural of "jackalope" correct. Should it remain "jackalope" or "jackalopes"? The former seems snooty in context but simply adding the "s" seems inherently incorrect. Next time I see a herd (or is it "a jangle"?) of jackalope(s) I want to say it correctly. I don't know why it should seem snooty, since jackalope is a portmanteau of jackrabbit and antelope. We don't speak of antelopes, so jackalopes is likewise improper. If the portmanteau had been reversed, however, since a binary portmanteau is clearly commutative, it would have been perfectly acceptable to have anterabbits for the plural.
Scott Lloyd Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: I am glad. I tend to become a raving maniac when someone misuses "begs the question" 😡 But I was actually horribly concerned with getting the plural of "jackalope" correct. Should it remain "jackalope" or "jackalopes"? The former seems snooty in context but simply adding the "s" seems inherently incorrect. Next time I see a herd (or is it "a jangle"?) of jackalope(s) I want to say it correctly. I would come down on the side of jackalope without the s, given that it is a derivative of antelope, which likewise does not take an s in the plural form, to wit: “Oh give me a home ... where the deer and the antelope play.” Edited February 7, 2021 by Scott Lloyd
Calm Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Stargazer said: I don't know why it should seem snooty, since jackalope is a portmanteau of jackrabbit and antelope. We don't speak of antelopes, so jackalopes is likewise improper. If the portmanteau had been reversed, however, since a binary portmanteau is clearly commutative, it would have been perfectly acceptable to have anterabbits for the plural. Dictionary has it with -s https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jackalope https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/jackalope Edited February 7, 2021 by Calm
Stargazer Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, Calm said: Dictionary has it with -s https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jackalope https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/jackalope Aw, what does the dictionary know? 1
Scott Lloyd Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Calm said: Dictionary has it with -s https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jackalope https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/jackalope I notice that online dictionaries also show “antelopes” and “deers” as taking an s in their alternate plural forms, although the preferred is the more common rendition of no s on the end. For the sake of logical consistency, I think it should be the same with jackalope/jackalopes. But alas, no one ever consults me when publishing a dictionary.
CV75 Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 14 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Maybe not. Maybe it's just different ways of seeing. Rabbit or duck? Here there's even two interpretations of one interpretation Which interpretation represents the illusion better? 😜 Which is corrupted and which is true? Apostasy: it looks like a duck it walks like a rabbit! 1
pogi Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: although the preferred is the more common rendition of no s on the end. If we are basing it off of “common renditions” than you should have no problem with the more common use of “it begs the question”. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, pogi said: If we are basing it off of “common renditions” than you should have no problem with the more common use of “it begs the question”. Basing what off of “common renditions”? What is your antecedent for “it”?
strappinglad Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 No one said English is consistent . Unless being consistently inconsistent is consistent. 3
strappinglad Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 8 hours ago, Stargazer said: what does begging have to do with it? Absofreakinlutly !
mfbukowski Posted February 7, 2021 Author Posted February 7, 2021 8 hours ago, Stargazer said: I don't know why it should seem snooty, since jackalope is a portmanteau of jackrabbit and antelope. We don't speak of antelopes, so jackalopes is likewise improper. If the portmanteau had been reversed, however, since a binary portmanteau is clearly commutative, it would have been perfectly acceptable to have anterabbits for the plural. Ah, what might have been. By the way, if I know what one is, does that mean that in some sense jackalope "exist"?
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