The Nehor Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, california boy said: The fact that you think the beaches is one of the good parts of San Francisco tells me you have probably never spent more than a couple of weeks in San Francisco. The beaches of San Francisco are socked in with fog for virtually the entire summer. You have to wait until the fall before they even see sunshine. Yeah, but they are not crowded then and the water is not that cold in my experience. I prefer Southern California beaches but they are crowded. I did call dibs on getting my eternal mansion down there.
USU78 Posted July 25, 2019 Author Posted July 25, 2019 46 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Is saying “This is not the place” really in the spirit of Pioneer Day. 😝 Please don't get my thread shut down for excess politics.
The Nehor Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, USU78 said: Please don't get my thread shut down for excess politics. 1
sunstoned Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 9 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: At the same time as the Saints set out from Nauvoo in 1846, Sam Brannan set sail from the East Coast with a colony of Mormons and sailed around the horn, landing at what is now San Francisco. Brannan wanted Brigham Young to bring the Saints all the way west to the coast, but President Young would not have it. Today, some 170 years later, Salt Lake City is prospering while San Francisco is languishing with homelessness, human feces and hypodermic needles on the streets and people leaving in droves because of the city politics. Like everything else, all cities have their good and not-so-good qualities. I think BY was reluctant to go to the West coast because it was already populated. He wanted to build the kingdom of god on earth and didn't want the distraction of quarreling neighbours like they had in Illinois. 1
The Nehor Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, sunstoned said: Like everything else, all cities have their good and not-so-good qualities. I think BY was reluctant to go to the West coast because it was already populated. He wanted to build the kingdom of god on earth and didn't want the distraction of quarreling neighbours like they had in Illinois. I suspect this was part of it though I also believe revelation was the primary reason. Avoiding the gold rush was another good reason to stop going west.
sunstoned Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Bob Crockett said: San Francisco is one of the most beautiful, vibrant and successful cities in the world. Salt Lake City has lots of homelessness. Several of my kids and siblings live in the Bay Area. They have a most wonderful lifestyle and the Church is great. I love San Francisco. I use to live there and would move back if I could afford it.
mfbukowski Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: So it’s all attributable to the weather then? None of it to crappy municipal government? QUOTE: San Francisco is a pretty good place to “hang out with a sign.” People are rarely arrested for vagrancy, aggressive panhandling or going to the bathroom in front of people’s homes. In 2015, there were 60,491 complaints to police, but only 125 people were arrested. Public drug use is generally ignored. One woman told us, “It’s nasty seeing people shoot up -- right in front of you. Police don’t do anything about it! They’ll get somebody for drinking a beer but walk right past people using needles.” Each day in San Francisco, an average of 85 cars are broken into. “Inside Edition” ran a test to see how long stereo equipment would last in a parked car. Their test car was quickly broken into. Then the camera crew discovered that their own car had been busted into as well. Some store owners hire private police to protect their stores. But San Francisco’s police union has complained about the competition. Now there are only a dozen private cops left, and street people dominate neighborhoods. We followed one private cop, who asked street people, “Do you need any type of homeless outreach services?” Most say no. “They love the freedom of not having to follow the rules,” said the cop. CLOSED QUOTE Duh. Yes I know I live in LA It's worse here, and you have no sense of humor. My nephew works with the LAPD as a homeless counselor. And it is both a crappy government and the weather Edited July 25, 2019 by mfbukowski
Robert F. Smith Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 11 hours ago, The Nehor said: Oh cool, an opinion piece from a news network that hates San Francisco and the people in it and licks their chops at any chance to portray it as a cesspool. I will give this piece all the attention it deserves. But what about the earthquakes?
Robert F. Smith Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, sunstoned said: Like everything else, all cities have their good and not-so-good qualities. I think BY was reluctant to go to the West coast because it was already populated. He wanted to build the kingdom of god on earth and didn't want the distraction of quarreling neighbours like they had in Illinois. Not only that, but the gold rush was about to begin (1849), and BY was likely afraid of what that might mean for the Saints. 1
mrmarklin Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 12 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: At the same time as the Saints set out from Nauvoo in 1846, Sam Brannan set sail from the East Coast with a colony of Mormons and sailed around the horn, landing at what is now San Francisco. Brannan wanted Brigham Young to bring the Saints all the way west to the coast, but President Young would not have it. Today, some 170 years later, Salt Lake City is prospering while San Francisco is languishing with homelessness, human feces and hypodermic needles on the streets and people leaving in droves because of the city politics. There are problems in the City by the Bay, but prosperity is not one of them. Middle class in SFO is $192,000 per year. https://sf.curbed.com/2019/2/25/18239828/report-middle-class-income-ranges-sf-bay-area-salary Salt Lake is around $71,000https://www.deptofnumbers.com/income/utah/salt-lake-city/ 1
The Nehor Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 6 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: But what about the earthquakes? I am native Californian. You get used to them. 1
The Nehor Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 8 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Duh. Yes I know I live in LA It's worse here, and you have no sense of humor. My nephew works with the LAPD as a homeless counselor. And it is both a crappy government and the weather Near my old stomping ground. Raised in Simi Valley. The main thing keeping me from wanting to go back is the traffic and LAX airport is hell on earth. Still called dibs on Paradise Cove for my celestial mansion as I think those problems will be alleviated by then. 2
california boy Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 13 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mercurynews.com/2019/02/14/quest-to-leave-bay-areas-high-prices-and-traffic-grows/amp/ I am not suggesting that the increase in housing costs are causing many to leave. But obviously if real estate continues to escalate, it is because more are moving in than moving out. Anyone who tries to suggest that there is a mass exit and the Bay Area is becoming a ghost town is delusional. You have to look at the whole picture. It has always been an upward increase in population and demand for housing my entire life. There has been a construction boom in San Francisco the past 5 years. Mostly high-rise apartment buildings in the financial district. Cranes and construction is everywhere. And no wonder, when you can sell a small condo starting at 1.5 million and up.
ALarson Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 15 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: I grew up hearing about California as an idyllic paradise. How very sad to see what is happening there. I'm sure you know that all of California is not as liberal, etc., as San Francisco? (And, I absolutely love San Francisco...one of my most favorite cities to visit and vacation in). California is a large state and there are some very beautiful spots and also some politically conservative areas. I wouldn't lump them all together and say "How very sad to see what is happening there". San Diego is a beautiful area and many of the inland towns and cities are gorgeous and very family oriented. 2
USU78 Posted July 25, 2019 Author Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, ALarson said: I'm sure you know that all of California is not as liberal, etc., as San Francisco? (And, I absolutely love San Francisco...one of my most favorite cities to visit and vacation in). California is a large state and there are some very beautiful spots and also some politically conservative areas. I wouldn't lump them all together and say "How very sad to see what is happening there". San Diego is a beautiful area and many of the inland towns and cities are gorgeous and very family oriented. And then there's Bakersfield, or as we call it, Bakeinhell.
ALarson Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, USU78 said: And then there's Bakersfield, or as we call it, Bakeinhell. Well, we can point to areas of most any state that are not that desirable, IMO. And there's this (from just 3 days ago): "Bakersfield, once the butt of jokes, is booming. So are many other inland California cities." https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/bakersfield-once-the-butt-of-jokes-is-booming-so-are-many-other-inland-california-cities/2019/07/19/f6b52a1e-944a-11e9-aadb-74e6b2b46f6a_story.html?utm_term=.5e0ec17dae4f
mfbukowski Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Near my old stomping ground. Raised in Simi Valley. The main thing keeping me from wanting to go back is the traffic and LAX airport is hell on earth. Still called dibs on Paradise Cove for my celestial mansion as I think those problems will be alleviated by then. LAX is now under major renovation That means an HOUR to get around the circle, from terminal 1 to 7 and often another hour due to backed up traffic to get INTO the circle. So possibly in certain situations if you are staying one mile from the airport it can still take you two hours to get to your terminal. You can see people walking to their terminals at least a mile from the airport, just to get there quicker than the traffic. The man who brought the mess to San Francisco, its former mayor, is now the governor of the state. All the land which is not paved over around freeway intersections is occupied by tents and homeless people. Downtown LA is wall to wall tents in certain sections, especially beneath Bridges Etc. It has been documented that other states are actually giving away transportation tickets to Los Angeles for their homeless. For all I know there are probably people illegally camping on Paradise Cove, I get up to Malibu regularly but not quite that far up. So you can have some neighbors when you get there. ! Just watch where you step. But the weather is nice. I take some snow if it helped. Oh and I mean the kind that falls from the sky when it's cold
california boy Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 7 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Not only that, but the gold rush was about to begin (1849), and BY was likely afraid of what that might mean for the Saints. Since this is Pioneer Day thread, not everyone might know that Gold was actually discovered by the Mormons. When the Mormon Battalion disbanded in Southern California, some of the men came north and were working at Sutters Mill when they discovered gold. If you go to Sutter today, you will find the original cabins they stayed in with a Book of Mormon opened on one of the tables. Sutter told them to keep the discovery quiet, but Sam Brannon who was leading the Saints around the Cape of South America and to San Francisco found out about the discovery through his fellow members. So he bought up all the picks, shovels, canvas and any other miner supplies he could find, printed a newspaper story and ran down the streets of San Francisco announcing the discovery of gold. Since he held all the tools, he ended up making some say a million dollars. Later, he took that money and started a health spa/resort in Calistoga, just north of San Francisco and famous for its mineral baths. hot springs and geysers. But the Golden Gate Bridge had yet to be built and getting that far north of the city proved to be a fatal blow. He ended up dying penniless. Brannon Street, one of the main streets of San Francisco is named after him. Calistoga is still a health spa/resort area and more popular than ever. And a few of his houses he built are still there. Some of the Saints from the Brooklyn settled east of San Francisco and started a town which later merged with other settlements to become the city of Oakland. Most of the group never made it to Utah. 1
Robert F. Smith Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: I am native Californian. You get used to them. Yeh, but last time a big one hit Frisco, people died. It was a mess. The Embarcadero Freeway pancaked on people in their cars. I am also a native Californian, and I have lived in Frisco. I never get used to the idea of riding a big one. I like the phrase terra firma.
Robert F. Smith Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, california boy said: ................................ Some of the Saints from the Brooklyn settled east of San Francisco and started a town which later merged with other settlements to become the city of Oakland. Most of the group never made it to Utah. I was born in Oakland, in the Roman Catholic Providence Hospital, delivered by the only Mormon doctor there.
california boy Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, Robert F. Smith said: I was born in Oakland, in the Roman Catholic Providence Hospital, delivered by the only Mormon doctor there. The Oakland Temple dominates the hills above Oakland. Pilots actually use it to navigate by. Even in the energy crisis, the Church was asked to keep the lights on the Temple. 1
Robert F. Smith Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, california boy said: I am not suggesting that the increase in housing costs are causing many to leave. But obviously if real estate continues to escalate, it is because more are moving in than moving out. Anyone who tries to suggest that there is a mass exit and the Bay Area is becoming a ghost town is delusional. You have to look at the whole picture. It has always been an upward increase in population and demand for housing my entire life. There has been a construction boom in San Francisco the past 5 years. Mostly high-rise apartment buildings in the financial district. Cranes and construction is everywhere. And no wonder, when you can sell a small condo starting at 1.5 million and up. SF used to be affordable, even to the nearly destitute. I lived there in the 60s for a pittance, and there was a place on California Street where you could have All You Can Eat for a Dollar. Gentrification has changed all that there and in Santa Barbara.
Robert F. Smith Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, california boy said: The Oakland Temple dominates the hills above Oakland. Pilots actually use it to navigate by. Even in the energy crisis, the Church was asked to keep the lights on the Temple. Interesting. I attended the 1964 Oakland Temple dedication by Pres McKay, up on "Holy Hill" -- then so called because of that and Ascension Greek Orthodox Cathedral next door. 2
california boy Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 48 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: Interesting. I attended the 1964 Oakland Temple dedication by Pres McKay, up on "Holy Hill" -- then so called because of that and Ascension Greek Orthodox Cathedral next door. I was at the 1964 dedication as well. We used to cut the second session of Stake Conference and walk down to the Greek Orthodox Cathedral which is just down the hill from the Temple. I loved the stainless steel domed ceiling with the apostles painted as icons in a circle.
The Nehor Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, mfbukowski said: LAX is now under major renovation That means an HOUR to get around the circle, from terminal 1 to 7 and often another hour due to backed up traffic to get INTO the circle. So possibly in certain situations if you are staying one mile from the airport it can still take you two hours to get to your terminal. You can see people walking to their terminals at least a mile from the airport, just to get there quicker than the traffic. The man who brought the mess to San Francisco, its former mayor, is now the governor of the state. All the land which is not paved over around freeway intersections is occupied by tents and homeless people. Downtown LA is wall to wall tents in certain sections, especially beneath Bridges Etc. It has been documented that other states are actually giving away transportation tickets to Los Angeles for their homeless. For all I know there are probably people illegally camping on Paradise Cove, I get up to Malibu regularly but not quite that far up. So you can have some neighbors when you get there. ! Just watch where you step. But the weather is nice. I take some snow if it helped. Oh and I mean the kind that falls from the sky when it's cold The area of Paradise Cove was a closed community last time I went there. My uncle had a trailer lot there he bought for about 40k. He sold it in the late late 00’s for almost a million. It was gorgeous. He left because of “all the yuppies moving in”. Now he lives on his own island in the Florida Keys. 1
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