Popular Post USU78 Posted April 30, 2019 Popular Post Posted April 30, 2019 Unintended but very real consequences: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718529255/teen-suicide-spiked-after-debut-of-netflixs-13-reasons-why-report-says 5
bluebell Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, USU78 said: Unintended but very real consequences: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718529255/teen-suicide-spiked-after-debut-of-netflixs-13-reasons-why-report-says I watched the first couple of episodes of that show and thought it was horrible. It really glamorized suicide and presented it as a valid way to get back at the people that hurt you, after you were dead. But I do think that we need to be careful because the article clearly says that there is no way to prove that the spite was the cause of the show.
USU78 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Posted April 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, bluebell said: I watched the first couple of episodes of that show and thought it was horrible. It really glamorized suicide and presented it as a valid way to get back at the people that hurt you, after you were dead. But I do think that we need to be careful because the article clearly says that there is no way to prove that the spite was the cause of the show. I refuse to support it for just that reason: if suicide is seen as not only thinkable but almost inevitable, how is troubled youth supposed to resist its pull? 3
The Nehor Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 While I am opposed to suicide I definitely see why some might think it is the better option. 3
MustardSeed Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 Our youth are far too vulnerable, influenced, and underdeveloped to logically think past much of the glam and drama of this show. It’s dangerous enough in theory that I need no stats to know it has no value. 3
CV75 Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, USU78 said: Unintended but very real consequences: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718529255/teen-suicide-spiked-after-debut-of-netflixs-13-reasons-why-report-says And now with this experience and knowing what doesn't work, it behooves the producers to create a show with some intended positive consequences. Sometimes life-affirming treatments don't have to be so literal, either. Would anybody watch a show about a precociously self-effacing, self-aware teenager that overcomes the insecurities of his life? 1
MustardSeed Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, CV75 said: And now with this experience and knowing what doesn't work, it behooves the producers to create a show with some intended positive consequences. Sometimes life-affirming treatments don't have to be so literal, either. Would anybody watch a show about a precociously self-effacing, self-aware teenager that overcomes the insecurities of his life? I loved Little House on the Prairie. Ah, the good old days. When you put those two shows side by side , modern times look pretty rough. 1
The Nehor Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: I loved Little House on the Prairie. Ah, the good old days. When you put those two shows side by side , modern times look pretty rough. That is falling off the other side of the horse. While many enjoy those shows they are saccharine to many others. The other side can be equally toxic. I remember back when Avatar came out some people slipped into a depression because they could not live in such a "beautiful world" and just kept watching it. A friend of mine slipped into that....thankfully she is better now.
6EQUJ5 Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, USU78 said: I refuse to support it for just that reason: if suicide is seen as not only thinkable but almost inevitable, how is troubled youth supposed to resist its pull? You have a problem with this show, but not Marion G. Romney? Marion G. Romney: "Son, I'd rather you kill yourself than come home from your mission having had sexual intercourse outside of marriage." 13 Reason Why: "Kill yourself to in a final act of teenage angst." USU78: That Romney dude is a cool guy. Netflix sucks. 1
Popular Post The Nehor Posted April 30, 2019 Popular Post Posted April 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, 6EQUJ5 said: You have a problem with this show, but not Marion G. Romney? Marion G. Romney: "Son, I'd rather you kill yourself than come home from your mission having had sexual intercourse outside of marriage." 13 Reason Why: "Kill yourself to in a final act of teenage angst." USU78: That Romney dude is a cool guy. Netflix sucks. The idea that President Romney was encouraging suicide is ridiculous. 6
6EQUJ5 Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The Nehor said: The idea that President Romney was encouraging suicide is ridiculous. "I would rather have you come home in a coffin than without your virtue." Having been sent home a few months early from my mission, I can tell you that Romney's words contribute to some very concrete thoughts regarding suicide. Thoughts -- that now as someone with a family of my own -- I am very glad I did not act on. Edited April 30, 2019 by 6EQUJ5 1
MustardSeed Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, The Nehor said: That is falling off the other side of the horse. While many enjoy those shows they are saccharine to many others. The other side can be equally toxic. I remember back when Avatar came out some people slipped into a depression because they could not live in such a "beautiful world" and just kept watching it. A friend of mine slipped into that....thankfully she is better now. Hey, every time it rained on little house, someone died. Not all was rosy. But yes when life is particularly rotten, sometimes it is validating to watch violent, aggressive , angry or sad tv. Thats why we listen to sad music when there’s a breakup.
let’s roll Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, CV75 said: And now with this experience and knowing what doesn't work, it behooves the producers to create a show with some intended positive consequences. Sometimes life-affirming treatments don't have to be so literal, either. Would anybody watch a show about a precociously self-effacing, self-aware teenager that overcomes the insecurities of his life? Doogie Howser M.D. perhaps?
The Nehor Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, 6EQUJ5 said: "I would rather have you come home in a coffin than without your virtue." Having been sent home a few months early from my mission, I can tell you that Romney's words contribute to some very concrete thoughts regarding suicide. Thoughts -- that now as someone with a family of my own -- I am very glad I did not act on. I cannot answer this without it possibly coming across as an attack so I will leave it.
6EQUJ5 Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 Just now, The Nehor said: I cannot answer this without it possibly coming across as an attack so I will leave it. It is rare for you to demonstrate this kind of restraint. It is appreciated.
USU78 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Posted April 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, 6EQUJ5 said: {snip} If you can't play nicely, please leave the thread.
The Nehor Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, 6EQUJ5 said: It is rare for you to demonstrate this kind of restraint. It is appreciated. Thank you, but you are still wrong.
USU78 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Posted April 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, The Nehor said: The idea that President Romney was encouraging suicide is ridiculous. There is considerable question that the Spartans even meant "Η ΤΑΝ Η ΕΠΙ ΤΑΣ" literally. I agree it is ridiculous. It's certainly unnecessarily provocative.
USU78 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Posted April 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: Since when was playing nicely a prereq here? There has been in the past a certain amount of leave granted to OPs to limit discussion to discrete issues.
CV75 Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 28 minutes ago, let’s roll said: Doogie Howser M.D. perhaps? Not too familiar with that one, but modernized for sure. Maybe a teen who has miraculously discovered who he really is and seeks to hold onto his "everyman" identity despite all efforts to forge him into one stereotype, political messenger or superhero/rebellious archetype another.
USU78 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Posted April 30, 2019 Just now, CV75 said: Not too familiar with that one, but modernized for sure. Maybe a teen who has miraculously discovered who he really is and seeks to hold onto his "everyman" identity despite all efforts to forge him into one stereotype, political messenger or superhero/rebellious archetype another. Spiderman?
CV75 Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 59 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: I loved Little House on the Prairie. Ah, the good old days. When you put those two shows side by side , modern times look pretty rough. I really admired people who liked shows, or who could like shows, like that. Me, well, I just couldn't get myself in that place. Not that there's anything wrong with those shows (it's me). I'm thinking of something a bit grittier yet still wholesome.
CV75 Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, USU78 said: Spiderman? Too super-heroish, although the complicated mulit-verses is a great metaphor for all the "choices" thrown at youth. Maybe a sci-fi of sorts where his shvintukh future-self coaches him in the ways. 1
6EQUJ5 Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 37 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Thank you, but you are still wrong. Please explain to me how an individual personal experience can be wrong. Serious question. Forget my personal example. Let's talk in the abstract. Person A said XYZ Person B said XYZ influenced the experience of ABC. Given that Person B is the ultimate authority on the experience of ABC - as he/she is the only one to have directly experienced ABC - how can they be wrong? This is entirely subjective, no?
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