Hamba Tuhan Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, cacheman said: They could also mention complete protein plants other than soy..... like quinoa, buckwheat, chia, cannabis, and others. I love buckwheat! It's so expensive to buy here, sadly. Chia and hemp are both too low in lysine to be considered fully complete, from what I've read. Not everyone in the world/Church has access to things like soy, quinoa and buckwheat or even a broad range of foodstuffs, so teaching people with limited options how to meet protein needs with nuts/seeds/beans is still good advice. Native Americans have been doing this for millennia by combining nixtamalised corn and beans. Edited February 27, 2019 by Hamba Tuhan
Calm Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I love buckwheat! It's so expensive to buy here, sadly. Chia and hemp are both too low in lysine to be considered fully complete, from what I've read. Not everyone in the world/Church has access to things like soy, quinoa and buckwheat or even a broad range of foodstuffs, so teaching people with limited options how to meet protein needs with nuts/seeds/beans is still good advice. Native Americans have been doing this for millennia by combining nixtamalised corn and beans. Last time I checked, it was enough to eat different proteins in the same day, the precision required in such programs as "Diet for a Small Planet" where it had to be balanced in the same meal were demonstrated to be unnecessary. This matches what I learned, so must be right! https://www.ecowatch.com/hey-vegetarians-and-vegans-its-time-to-debunk-the-protein-combining-my-1891129518.html video is very informative bottom line was if you get enough calories from a whole food plant diet, proteins or rather amino acids will work out by themselves. Edited February 27, 2019 by Calm 3
Hamba Tuhan Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Calm said: The precision required in such programs as "Diet for a Small Planet" where it had to be balanced in the same meal were demonstrated to be unnecessary. Yeah, I don't think precision is necessary. Personally, I just eat heaps of different things, but I also have dairy nearly every day (milk powder in my hot chocolate, strained yoghurt and/or cheese), so there's that. Yay for lactase persistence! 1
Calm Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 Whole milk unsweetened yogurt...one of those things I can't get enough of if it gets in my bowl. It and oatmeal sit on my shelf unused way too much for how much I like them. 2
Hamba Tuhan Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Calm said: Whole milk unsweetened yogurt...one of those things I can't get enough of if it gets in my bowl. The one I buy is fat-free, but I didn't even know that till just a few weeks ago. I get it in 2 kg tubs, which my housemate and I devour in under a week, usually. He puts chia seeds and cocoa powder on his. I tend to just put fruit. Lately I've been eating it with a couple of sliced pluots and a handful of blueberries. So good! It's the perfect dessert. I honestly can't stomach sweetened yoghurt at this point. And then, when I can find the time, it often turns into tzatziki, carrot dip and/or beetroot dip. I also love to simmer fresh green chillies stuffed with spices in it! Edited February 27, 2019 by Hamba Tuhan 1
CMZ Posted February 27, 2019 Author Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I love buckwheat! Big buckwheat fan here too. 1
Hamba Tuhan Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, CMZ said: Big buckwheat fan here too. There's a buffet restaurant near our temple that serves little bowls of hiyashi soba with wasabi, grated radish and iced tsuyu. I almost can't get enough of it ... And then one of my ministering families includes an older Russian member (now apostate) who often cooks me buckwheat porridge when I visit them. Again, so good! 2
Calm Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 We had millet in Russia. I just can't get it to taste that way, absolutely delicious there, blah here.
Hamba Tuhan Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Calm said: We had millet in Russia. I just can't get it to taste that way, absolutely delicious there, blah here. Oh yeah, we've eaten millet together too! I have no idea how she cooked it, but it was indeed 'absolutely delicious'! I'll try to remember to ask for advice on my next ministering visit. Do you remember its having pumpkin in it? Edited February 27, 2019 by Hamba Tuhan
Calm Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: Oh yeah, we've eaten millet together too! I have no idea how she cooked it, but it was indeed 'absolutely delicious'! I'll try to remember to ask for advice on my next ministering visit. Do you remember its having pumpkin in it? It was just plain millet for breakfast. I am wondering if they soaked it in milk overnight or something. I generally hate almost all hot cereals, can tolerate oatmeal with cranberry and almonds in it or heavy sugar...which sets me up for hunger all day. And cold cereals are worse, like one and only one cold cereal, unsweetened shredded wheat. Hate sugary cereal milk and soggy grains.
Hamba Tuhan Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Calm said: It was just plain millet for breakfast. OK, I'll ask. The one I had with my ministering family had pumpkin in it. Quote I generally hate almost all hot cereals, can tolerate oatmeal with cranberry and almonds in it or heavy sugar...which sets me up for hunger all day. And cold cereals are worse, like one and only one cold cereal, unsweetened shredded wheat. Hate sugary cereal milk and soggy grains. I like the occasional porridge, but for dinner, not breakfast ... and not too sweet. The only cold 'cereal' that I buy is muesli clusters. My current fave has dried apples, hazelnuts and pumpkin seeds along with the oats, and it's all nicely toasted and so does not go soggy. I can't do sogginess either. Edited February 27, 2019 by Hamba Tuhan
Jean-Luc Picard Posted February 28, 2019 Posted February 28, 2019 (edited) At first I thought you might start talking about not eating sugar, I thought, "don't you realize this is a Mormon forum?" Meat, and sugar are where it is at. Cafe Rio is doing just fine with their meat marinating in Dr. Pepper. I have been thinking about my use of animal products. I have been on a killing floor a few times, not a pretty sight. I always hated to see the cows blinking with their big eyes, with long lashes moving through the line. Plus cows and pigs are pretty terrible for making green house gases too. I have decided to mostly limit my meat intake to poultry, fish, and eggs (ground turkey is leaner and cheaper too). I am trying to also cut a lot of dairy. There is pretty good evidence that having a primarily plant faced diet is most beneficial for people and the environment. A few changes could make a difference. Who knows, maybe if Joseph Smith had lived longer, maybe EG White could have convinced him to cut out the meat 😉. Edited February 28, 2019 by Jean-Luc Picard
RevTestament Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 I believe God gave us dominion over all the plants and animals to learn to respect life and to learn the most efficacious uses for our health, and to be able to enjoy variety. We do not have the canines of meat eaters nor do we have the stomachs and massive molars of plant eaters. There was a primate species called Australopithicus robustus which went down that road and became extinct. We do best when we eat the parts of plants where the plants have concentrated its nutrition for us - in the seeds and fruits. People also lived by the sea for thousands of years and learned to enjoy its bounty. I fully believe we are healthiest on a plant based diet of plant seeds, tubers and fruits supplemented with some dairy products and seafood based meat products. Further, I believe the word of wisdom backs this up, as well as modern empirical and scientific data. However, if someone chooses a vegan lifestyle I begrudge them nothing, but only ask that of them too, and ask to be spared of the guilt-trip speeches that sometimes lurk in vegan ideology. I do believe a vegan diet is far healthier than the SAD, so I am by no means trying to persuade people not to become vegan. They certainly can and usually do far worse in modern America. However, I enjoy my diet and probably won't change too much at this point in my life, and my health is pretty darn good.... Unfortunately though, I no longer have the body of my 18 year old self.... in some ways I don't miss it.
CMZ Posted March 1, 2019 Author Posted March 1, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 8:53 PM, Jean-Luc Picard said: Meat, and sugar are where it is at. Cafe Rio is doing just fine with their meat marinating in Dr. Pepper. I think people presume Cafe Rio is "healthy" while not paying attention to the fact that they use a lot of sugar.
Calm Posted March 5, 2019 Posted March 5, 2019 Came across this in doing some research, new to me, so I thought I would post it. When I tried vegetarianism, I used a lot of brown rice. Love its flavour as long as it isn't used as the same as white rice, it changes the taste of the dish too much then. Quote Brown Rice Sources: Cooked rice, cereal (adult and infant), snack bars, products made with rice flour. What happens if you overdo it: Rice is one of the biggest dietary sources of inorganic arsenic, but brown rice bears an average of 80 percent more arsenic than other rices (because of how it accumulates in the whole grain's outer layers). Regular exposure to small amounts of arsenic, a potent carcinogen, can increase the risk of bladder, lung, and skin cancer, as well as heart disease and type 2 diabetes. How to get the right amount: You shouldn't just switch from brown rice to white, because the brown variety contains more beneficial nutrients, like manganese, fiber, and vitamins B1 and B3 (the processing of white rice removes much of the grain's nutritional value). According to Consumer Reports' testing, brown basmati rice from California, India, and Pakistan is your safest bet, because it has been shown to have one-third less inorganic arsenic, but eating a variety of grains is a good idea. Grains such as amaranth, barley, buckwheat, bulgur, farro, and millet all contain negligible (or significantly lower) levels of arsenic. Varying your infant's diet with non-rice cereals is also highly recommended. https://www.consumerreports.org/healthy-eating/healthy-foods-you-can-overdo/ 1
cherryTreez Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 On 2/24/2019 at 10:39 PM, Calm said: I have tried to go vegetarian. That made me sick (did it the intelligent way too). I find at minimum I need fish for protein every other day. I definitely could eat less than I do now though. Otoh, going low carb is when I feel best. I hate going low carb. But I did feel amazing while low carb. I had gestational diabetes and went low carb to try and naturally fix it. My brother lost 120 pounds and has kept it off going low carb. He looks amazing. He does all sorts of iron man and spartan races. It works well for our family. We are mostly northern Scandinavia and if you look at what they historically had for food low carb makes sense.
cherryTreez Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 On 2/25/2019 at 1:22 PM, Anijen said: I didn't say that. I know they are very regulated, were free range are not. I know Dr. Duttan knew the chickens and eggs coming from places such as Michaels was healthier than organic free range ones.. How about eggs from your own backyard? I love my fresh eggs my girls lay. It's a perk of having my pets. 1
Anijen Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 30 minutes ago, cherryTreez said: How about eggs from your own backyard? I love my fresh eggs my girls lay. It's a perk of having my pets. I eat fresh eggs too and love them. They should be ok.
BlueDreams Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, cherryTreez said: How about eggs from your own backyard? I love my fresh eggs my girls lay. It's a perk of having my pets. You're fine. It's helpful to know that sanitized/sterile and healthful aren't exactly the same thing. You can read a little about it here and here: You can usually see and taste the difference between the varying chicken eggs fairly clearly. My husband buys "cheapo" eggs as we call them and they're a pale yellow yoke and an extremely thin shell. I tend to buy either organic free range, organic pasture raised, or local farmer's market eggs. The color differs from a strong yellow to a dark orange. And there's research/evidence for greater nutritional value for chickens with diets and environments closer to a natural setting. I hope to one day to have some chickens of my own! I'm a little envious you get that With luv, BD Edited March 6, 2019 by BlueDreams 1
cherryTreez Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 1 minute ago, BlueDreams said: You're fine. It's helpful to know that sanitized/sterile and healthful aren't exactly the same thing. You can read a little about it here and here: You can usually see and taste the difference between the varying chicken eggs fairly clearly. My husband buys "cheapo" eggs as we call them and they're a pale yellow oak and an extremely thin shell. I tend to buy either organic free range, organic pasture raised, or local farmer's market eggs. The color differs from a strong yellow to a dark orange. And there's research/evidence for greater nutritional value for chickens with diets and environments closer to a natural setting. I hope to one day to have some chickens of my own! I'm a little envious you get that With luv, BD I grew up on a farm. I missed it everyday. We grew our own beef, pigs, sheep and chickens. We had both egg layers and meat chickens. It was awesome. I wish I could give that to my kids. We have 7 hens. I may get more depending on what I find at the feed store. I was more curious as to why factor farmed eggs would be better than free range. My girls get to expore our yard several times a week. I would let them out more, but my dog is dumb and wants to play with chickens.
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