Popular Post Kenngo1969 Posted October 13, 2017 Popular Post Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) Our very own, highly-esteemed Scott Lloyd (not your Scott Lloyd; not my Scott Lloyd; but "R." Scott Lloyd ) has just published a story regarding the donation of the handwritten testimony of Vincenzo Di Francesca, a Protestant minister in Italy who discovered a copy of the Book of Mormon on an ash barrel, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The book's title page was missing, so Fratello Di Francesca did not know the name of the book. Fratello Di Francesca's testimony is included, along with that of Brother Parley P. Pratt, in the Latter-day Saint film, How Rare a Possession: The Book of Mormon. See Scott's story here: https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865690753/Church-acquires-handwritten-testimony-of-Italian-highlighted-in-How-Rare-a-Possession-film.html. Das ist huperkuhl! superkuhl! say I. Edited October 13, 2017 by Kenngo1969 8
Stargazer Posted October 13, 2017 Posted October 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: Das ist huperkuhl! say I. Thanks for posting this! But what, pray tell, is huperkuhl?
Kenngo1969 Posted October 13, 2017 Author Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stargazer said: Thanks for posting this! But what, pray tell, is huperkuhl? I can't get Google Translate to return a result, and Google, as we all know, is the font of all wisdom and knowledge. (Ironically, when I did a search for it on Google just now, one of the results returned was this thread. ) So perhaps I have a faulty memory from my long-ago days of taking two years of German (one in my last year of junior high and one in my first year of high school) about how to spell it, but it's supposed to indicate enthusiastic assent. P.S.: Ich vergesse! Sie sprechen Deutsch! I'll try this again (Google did return a result, so if I still have egg on my face, this time, it's Google's fault!) Das ist superkuhl! Edited October 13, 2017 by Kenngo1969
Kenngo1969 Posted October 13, 2017 Author Posted October 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Kenngo1969 said: Our very own, highly-esteemed Scott Lloyd (not your Scott Lloyd; not my Scott Lloyd; but "R." Scott Lloyd ) has just published a story regarding the donation of the handwritten testimony of Vincenzo Di Francesca, a Protestant minister in Italy who discovered a copy of the Book of Mormon on an ash barrel, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The book's title page was missing, so Fratello Di Francesca did not know the name of the book. Fratello Di Francesca's testimony is included, along with that of Brother Parley P. Pratt, in the Latter-day Saint film, How Rare a Possession: The Book of Mormon. See Scott's story here: https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865690753/Church-acquires-handwritten-testimony-of-Italian-highlighted-in-How-Rare-a-Possession-film.html. Das ist huperkuhl superkuhl! say I.
Stargazer Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 54 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: I can't get Google Translate to return a result, and Google, as we all know, is the font of all wisdom and knowledge. (Ironically, when I did a search for it on Google just now, one of the results returned was this thread. ) So perhaps I have a faulty memory from my long-ago days of taking two years of German (one in my last year of junior high and one in my first year of high school) about how to spell it, but it's supposed to indicate enthusiastic assent. P.S.: Ich vergesse! Sie sprechen Deutsch! I'll try this again (Google did return a result, so if I still have egg on my face, this time, it's Google's fault!) Das ist superkuhl! That's better. Und das stimmt: ich spreche Deutsch!
Kenngo1969 Posted October 14, 2017 Author Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Stargazer said: That's better. Und das stimmt: ich spreche Deutsch! Ich dachte, ich erinnere mich ... P.S.: And if you think my German's bad, you should hear my Italian! Edited October 14, 2017 by Kenngo1969
Scott Lloyd Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: På Svenska: jätte kul. Edited October 14, 2017 by Scott Lloyd
Kenngo1969 Posted October 14, 2017 Author Posted October 14, 2017 Did anyone here serve in Italy? Does anyone here know someone who did? (As I mentioned, my brother did. I haven't had a chance to send him a link to your article, Scott, but I'm sure he'll think it's pretty cool. ) Here's an article from the January 1988 Ensign which quotes extensively from the writings of Fratello Di Francesca: https://www.lds.org/ensign/1988/01/i-will-not-burn-the-book?lang=eng 1
Scott Lloyd Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: Did anyone here serve in Italy? Does anyone here know someone who did? (As I mentioned, my brother did. I haven't had a chance to send him a link to your article, Scott, but I'm sure he'll think it's pretty cool. ) Here's an article from the January 1988 Ensign which quotes extensively from the writings of Fratello Di Francesca: https://www.lds.org/ensign/1988/01/i-will-not-burn-the-book?lang=eng The Ensign got it a little bit wrong when they published that article back in 1988. An introductory note said that one of the sources the article was drawn from was a letter that Vincenzo wrote to Avard Fairbanks. As we learned from an alert reader after my story went online, the letter was actually sent to Ortho Fairbanks, Avard's brother. I had my source at Church archives check the original letter, and we found that the alert reader was right. Edited October 14, 2017 by Scott Lloyd 3
Kenngo1969 Posted October 14, 2017 Author Posted October 14, 2017 12 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: The Ensign got it a little bit wrong when they published that article back in 1988. An introductory note said that one of the sources the article was drawn from was a letter that Vincenzo wrote to Avard Fairbanks. As we learned from an alert reader after my story went online, the letter was actually sent to Ortho Fairbanks, Avard's brother. I had my source at Church archives check the original letter, and we found that the alert reader was right. Good catch by that alert reader ...
Robert F. Smith Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 13 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: The Ensign got it a little bit wrong when they published that article back in 1988. An introductory note said that one of the sources the article was drawn from was a letter that Vincenzo wrote to Avard Fairbanks. As we learned from an alert reader after my story went online, the letter was actually sent to Ortho Fairbanks, Avard's brother. I had my source at Church archives check the original letter, and we found that the alert reader was right. You outdid yourself in this article (above), Scott. I was deeply moved. 3
Darren10 Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 THERE’S A LOT OF SWEARING GOING ON ON THIS THREAD! ...oh, it’s German and Sweedish. 1
Darren10 Posted October 14, 2017 Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) How Rare a Possession was a video we played for members and investigators who happened ot have VHS machines during my mission in Recife, Brazil. I watched and listened to the Francesca video many times after my mission. Such a great story. What a prize the LDS church gained. Edited October 14, 2017 by Darren10 3
blueglass Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) i remember watching the missionary fireside when the movie how rare a possession came out. It was a spiritual experience - I recall watching moroni wandering on his own, and then placing the artifacts in the stone box, the liahona, the sword of laban, breastplate and urim and thummim and then the gold plates. At the time - I suppose I was 11 y/o or so I honestly thought the church had these artifacts in salt lake city somewhere. I love the Vincenzo di francesca story, as my uncle Ronald was assigned to be his hometeacher when working as a helicopter mechanic for the navy. He was stationed in sicily for awhile. Edited October 16, 2017 by blueglass 2
Anakin7 Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 What Protestant Denomination was Vincenzo De Francesca ?. The Atonement It Is The Central Doctrine Washing My Garment In His Blood In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7 LDS Sentinel Son Of Thunder Kryptonian
RevTestament Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 16 minutes ago, Anakin7 said: What Protestant Denomination was Vincenzo De Francesca ?. Di Francesca was raised in Italy, where he studied religion. He went to New York City in 1909, where he became a Methodist and graduated from Knox College of New York in November 1905. He then became a pastor. He found the BoM which converted him in 1910. 1
blueglass Posted October 16, 2017 Posted October 16, 2017 On 10/13/2017 at 6:04 PM, Kenngo1969 said: the Latter-day Saint film, How Rare a Possession: The Book of Mormon. looks like the film is on youtube. a bit grainy and vhs quality. It would be great to dig out the film, scan it, remaster and republish or upload to the site in HD. The film has a great musical score as well.
Kenngo1969 Posted October 16, 2017 Author Posted October 16, 2017 10 minutes ago, blueglass said: i remember watching the missionary fireside when the movie how rare a possession came out. It was a spiritual experience - I recall watching moroni wandering on his own, and then placing the artifacts in the stone box, the liahona, the sword of laban, breastplate and urim and thummim and then the gold plates. At the time - I suppose I was 11 y/o or so I honestly thought the church had these artifacts in salt lake city somewhere. I love the Vincenzo di francesca story, as my uncle Ronald was assigned to be his hometeacher when working as a helicopter mechanic for the navy. He was stationed in sicily for awhile. Thank you for sharing that. I realize we probably have differing assessments of Moroni's experience (each seeing it less at it was and more as we are), but I watched How Rare a Possession: The Book of Mormon for the first time in quite awhile last night. On my blog, I wrote: Quote In terms of sheer numbers, Mormon’s son, Moroni, wasn’t a very good missionary. He tried exhorting a totally apostate nation to faithfulness, but was unsuccessful. In light of that, there were only three things he could do: (1) save his own skin; (2) preserve and abridge the records in his possession for the benefit of future generations; and (3) stand as a silent witness to the tragic downfall of his people. Personally, I've always been moved by the passages written by Moroni that are quoted in How Rare A Possession. Some of Moroni's lament, as the last of his people, strikes me as rather plaintive. In Mormon 8:5, he writes, "I am alone. My father hath been slain in battle, and all my kinsfolk, and I have not friends nor whither to go; and how long the Lord will suffer that I may live I know not." And then later on, he lets us know what price he is willing to pay in order to not deny his testimony, writing in the first chapter of the book that bears his name (Moroni 1): Quote 1 Now I, Moroni, after having made an end of abridging the account of the people of Jared, I had supposed not to have written more, but I have not as yet perished; and I make not myself known to the Lamanites lest they should destroy me. 2 For behold, their wars are exceedingly fierce among themselves; and because of their hatred they put to death every Nephite that will not deny the Christ. 3 And I, Moroni, will not deny the Christ; wherefore, I wander whithersoever I can for the safety of mine own life. I realize your mileage probably varies, but, to me, that's powerful stuff. I wish you well. Thanks, -Ken
Anakin7 Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, RevTestament said: Di Francesca was raised in Italy, where he studied religion. He went to New York City in 1909, where he became a Methodist and graduated from Knox College of New York in November 1905. He then became a pastor. He found the BoM which converted him in 1910. Thank you, I was Baptized by a Methodist Minister/Pastor when I was a baby/infant. The Atonement It Is The Central Doctrine Washing My Garment/Robe In The Blood Of The Lamb In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7 Edited October 17, 2017 by Anakin7
Scott Lloyd Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 6 hours ago, blueglass said: looks like the film is on youtube. a bit grainy and vhs quality. It would be great to dig out the film, scan it, remaster and republish or upload to the site in HD. The film has a great musical score as well. As indicated in my story, the movie is still available for purchase on DVD from the Church distribution center. I didn't link to the YouTube rendition, because I'm afraid it may have been pirated.
RevTestament Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 20 hours ago, Anakin7 said: Thank you, I was Baptized by a Methodist Minister/Pastor when I was a baby/infant. The Atonement It Is The Central Doctrine Washing My Garment/Robe In The Blood Of The Lamb In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7 You are welcome. I was raised primarily Baptist, but I did attend a non-denominational school which was Methodist at heart. I later attended a Methodist Church for about 2 years probably largely because I liked its choir. But after about 2 years, I think I became dissatisfied with it because I didn't like the way I was treated in Sunday School IIRC. Ever since I left the Baptist Church, I have been non-trinitarian at heart so I guess I probably raised eyebrows in Sunday School.... otherwise I liked the Methodist church alright. I had a Methodist roomate in school who made fun of my Baptist roots - he called the Baptist Church the splinter-Baptist Church. I think there is some truth to that. I have seen it in my lifetime, but that is really the only way I have seen any Baptist Church grow.
Anakin7 Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) I was also a Fundamentalist Independent Baptist for a period of time as a teenager. The Atonement It is The Central Doctrine Washing My Garment In His Blood In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7 LDS Sentinel, Son Of Thunder, Kryptonian Edited October 18, 2017 by Anakin7
Kenngo1969 Posted October 18, 2017 Author Posted October 18, 2017 I just bought Mormons In the Piazza: A History of Latter-day Saints in Italy By Professors Toronto and Dursteler and Brother Homer for my brother for his birthday. https://deseretbook.com/p/mormons-in-the-piazza-history-of-the-latter-day-saints-in-italy?variant_id=145582-hardcover
mnn727 Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 On 10/16/2017 at 3:01 PM, RevTestament said: Di Francesca was raised in Italy, where he studied religion. He went to New York City in 1909, where he became a Methodist and graduated from Knox College of New York in November 1905. He then became a pastor. He found the BoM which converted him in 1910. So he graduated from a college in N.Y. 4 years before he moved to N.Y.? I think your dates may be off a bit.
RevTestament Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, mnn727 said: So he graduated from a college in N.Y. 4 years before he moved to N.Y.? I think your dates may be off a bit. Yeah, I quoted that from Wikipedia, and felt there was something funny about the dating, but didn't investigate it. There is probably a typo in the 1909 date or the dates got switched. Edited October 18, 2017 by RevTestament
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