Storm Rider Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: She was actually talking about both. She was drawing a comparison and saying how her son would have reacted if his parents had sent the application in without his consent. But that didn't happen in this case. It can't happen. Not these days -- if it was ever possible. The bishop and stake president each have to interview the prospective missionary before adding to the application and clicking the send button. Scott, I don't think it was ever possible in the last 70 years to have papers sent in without the participation of the young person themselves. There have always been requirements for interviews to determine their interest, testimony, and worthiness. What bothers me is that anyone would think it was possible. Can anyone present any evidence to suggest that a parent could have a child's mission papers sent in to Mission Department without the participation of the prospective missionary? Edited July 30, 2017 by Storm Rider 1
Tacenda Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) http://www.ldsliving.com/My-Daughter-s-Car-Crash-and-the-Powerful-Lesson-God-Taught-Me/s/81665?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=mormonsarecool Here's another article about missionaries. This young woman wasn't sure about going but decided to go, but then was in an accident that she maybe shouldn't have been able to walk away from. They attribute it to God intervening. I understand that this is a thing, and He may have, but sometimes it's difficult for those that didn't get the intervention provided. My friend's parents have been on a few missions, one of them had a senior couple involved in a head on and killed on their mission. So where was God for that? Sometimes these articles just don't help, IMO. Edited July 30, 2017 by Tacenda
Storm Rider Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Tacenda said: http://www.ldsliving.com/My-Daughter-s-Car-Crash-and-the-Powerful-Lesson-God-Taught-Me/s/81665?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=mormonsarecool Here's another article about missionaries. This young woman wasn't sure about going but decided to go, but then was in an accident that she maybe shouldn't have been able to walk away from. They attribute it to God intervening. I understand that this is a thing, and He may have, but sometimes it's difficult for those that didn't get the intervention provided. My friend's parents have been on a few missions, one of them had a senior couple involved in a head on and killed on their mission. So where was God for that? Sometimes these articles just don't help, IMO. Hello Tacenda, I think the point is that we try to recognize God's hands in all things - i.e. we thank him for each and every blessing that we recognize and we strive to see the blessing even in our trials and tribulations. There are those who think that being a disciple of Christ should equate to being protected from all harm, all trials, all difficult circumstances, etc. That is not the teaching of the gospel in any shape or form - the gospel of Jesus Christ is that we will follow him regardless of where the path leads or even in spite of where it leads on this earth. We don't know what God's plan is for each and every one of his children - some die, some contract horrible diseases, and some have severe anxiety while others are healed. In each one we seek God's will. Do you see the distinction? Envy might say "Hey, they got blessed in this manner and I want the same thing - but that is not the Gospel. Does this help? 3
Stargazer Posted July 31, 2017 Posted July 31, 2017 7 hours ago, Tacenda said: http://www.ldsliving.com/My-Daughter-s-Car-Crash-and-the-Powerful-Lesson-God-Taught-Me/s/81665?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=mormonsarecool Here's another article about missionaries. This young woman wasn't sure about going but decided to go, but then was in an accident that she maybe shouldn't have been able to walk away from. They attribute it to God intervening. I understand that this is a thing, and He may have, but sometimes it's difficult for those that didn't get the intervention provided. My friend's parents have been on a few missions, one of them had a senior couple involved in a head on and killed on their mission. So where was God for that? Sometimes these articles just don't help, IMO. In the Book of Mormon, Abinadi's life was preserved until his mission was completed. Once that was done, King Noah could execute him, but not before. 2
Rain Posted July 31, 2017 Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) On 7/30/2017 at 10:48 AM, Tacenda said: http://www.ldsliving.com/My-Daughter-s-Car-Crash-and-the-Powerful-Lesson-God-Taught-Me/s/81665?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=mormonsarecool Here's another article about missionaries. This young woman wasn't sure about going but decided to go, but then was in an accident that she maybe shouldn't have been able to walk away from. They attribute it to God intervening. I understand that this is a thing, and He may have, but sometimes it's difficult for those that didn't get the intervention provided. My friend's parents have been on a few missions, one of them had a senior couple involved in a head on and killed on their mission. So where was God for that? Sometimes these articles just don't help, IMO. Have you given your children exactly the same things? Have they ever claimed things were not fair? My children have claimed things are not fair on occasion. Oh, we have tried to be fair for the most part, but things just can't and shouldn't come exact for every child. ("Ok children", we told ours, "the boys will get Barbie dolls just as your sister will for Christmas" or vice versa). I think it would be very ungrateful for my daughter to refuse to show gratitude for tuition money if she were refusing because we are not giving money to my oldest for tuition (he won't take education seriously right now.) I also think it would be ungrateful of her if she refused to show graitude if we wouldn't give my yougest tuition money after getting a full ride scholarship. Gratitude should never be based on what someone else gets. Obviously we should be considerate and not tell someone "God kept my loved one safe" the day they had a loved one die, but sharing a blessing in most cases is just expressing gratitude. Edited July 31, 2017 by Rain 2
Stargazer Posted July 31, 2017 Posted July 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Rain said: Have you given your children exactly the same things? Have they ever claimed things were not fair? My children have claimed things are not fair on occasion. Oh, we have tried to be fair for the most part, but things just can't and shouldn't come exact for every child. ("Ok children", we told ours, "the boys will get Barbie dolls just as your sister will for Christmas" or vice versa). I think it would be very ungrateful for my daughter to refuse to show gratitude for tuition money if she were refusing because we are not giving money to my oldest for tuition (he won't take education seriously right now.) I also think it would be ungrateful of her if she refused to show graitude if we wouldn't give my yougest tuition money after getting a full ride scholarship. Gratitude should never be based on what someone else gets. Obviously we should be considerate and not tell someone "God kept my loved one safe" the day they had a loved one die, but sharing a blessing in most cases is just expressing gratitude. 4 There have been people who have been healed of potentially fatal accidents or disease, either through a priesthood blessing or through apparent divine intervention. And then there have been others who, despite all attempts to be healed by blessing, by prayer or medical intervention, have succumbed. Well, I agree with you that we should be grateful for whatever intervention we receive, without getting all worked up about so-called "fairness". I trust God to do what is best, whether I happen to like it at that moment or not. One of my sons told me that it wasn't fair that the Second Coming (and all the turmoil preceding it) might occur during his lifetime. Presumably, it wasn't fair because he was afraid that his own life might be inconvenienced -- and this singling out of him wasn't fair because of all the billions of people that came before didn't have to contend with it! I didn't get into it with him, though, as to why he thought it "wasn't fair". But that was the only thing I could think of.
Tacenda Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 5 hours ago, Rain said: Have you given your children exactly the same things? Have they ever claimed things were not fair? My children have claimed things are not fair on occasion. Oh, we have tried to be fair for the most part, but things just can't and shouldn't come exact for every child. ("Ok children", we told ours, "the boys will get Barbie dolls just as your sister will for Christmas" or vice versa). I think it would be very ungrateful for my daughter to refuse to show gratitude for tuition money if she were refusing because we are not giving money to my oldest for tuition (he won't take education seriously right now.) I also think it would be ungrateful of her if she refused to show graitude if we wouldn't give my yougest tuition money after getting a full ride scholarship. Gratitude should never be based on what someone else gets. Obviously we should be considerate and not tell someone "God kept my loved one safe" the day they had a loved one die, but sharing a blessing in most cases is just expressing gratitude. I didn't say anything about fairness, I just don't think these articles help some people out there.
Storm Rider Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Tacenda said: I didn't say anything about fairness, I just don't think these articles help some people out there. The Savior said for those with ears let them hear, eyes then let them see. Do you think it would be best if all could see, hear, and know the Savior instantly and without any effort to understand or even to hunger after him. What type of people would we be and how prepared would each of us be if that was the way of this mortal journey? No, some will not be succored by a spiritual story, but that reflects more on them than the worth, value, truthfulness of the story itself. We are all like this - we are not able to learn today, but in time we are able to hear and learn eternal truths. At least that is the way I have found my own ability to learn. Sometimes I am ready and other times I am not. Go figure - I am human. 1
Rain Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 On 7/31/2017 at 6:12 PM, Tacenda said: I didn't say anything about fairness, I just don't think these articles help some people out there. You didn't say the word "fair", but when you show the idea that people shouldn't say they were blessed when something happens because not all people were blessed in that way it is about the concept of fairness. I think they DO help some people. They are just not going to help all people or help them in the same way.
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