Should Bishops turn the microphone off on "other" testimonies?

[Tacenda]

2 hours ago, USU78 said:

It occurred to me this morning that there may be hope for the little girl: Madeline Murray O'Hare!

I hope someone who is looking to join the church won't see this. Sad, beyond sad. Actually, if there are members with this attitude maybe non members would be better off. Why are you this angry over what Savannah has done?

ETA: Did I misread or read too much into your post? Are you saying Savannah would be better off being an Atheist because God won't accept her?

Edited June 26, 2017 by Tacenda

[JulieM]

2 hours ago, USU78 said:

It occurred to me this morning that there may be hope for the little girl: Madeline Murray O'Hare!

Wow.  The "most hated woman in America" who was kidnapped, murdered and dismembered?  Nice.

[Tacenda]

27 minutes ago, JulieM said:

Wow.  The "most hated woman in America" who was kidnapped, murdered and dismembered?  Nice.

I didn't know about this.  

I do remember the years she was in the news, and how she was hated. 

[Rain]

50 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I hope someone who is looking to join the church won't see this. Sad, beyond sad. Actually, if there are members with this attitude maybe non members would be better off. Why are you this angry over what Savannah has done?

ETA: Did I misread or read too much into your post? Are you saying Savannah would be better off being an Atheist because God won't accept her?

I've been trying to figure out what he means as well.

What do you meant that USU?

[USU78]

1 hour ago, JulieM said:

Wow.  The "most hated woman in America" who was kidnapped, murdered and dismembered?  Nice.

Naturally you reach the wrong conclusion: she manipulated her daughter [sic, should be son], brought lawsuits in her daughter's [sic, should be son's] behalf, and her daughter [sic, should be son], when she [sic, should be he] got out from under Mommy's thumb, repudiated Mommy and Mommy's signature work.

I, accordingly, choose to have hope for Savannah.

Edited June 26, 2017 by USU78

[USU78]

1 hour ago, Tacenda said:

I hope someone who is looking to join the church won't see this. Sad, beyond sad. Actually, if there are members with this attitude maybe non members would be better off. Why are you this angry over what Savannah has done?

ETA: Did I misread or read too much into your post? Are you saying Savannah would be better off being an Atheist because God won't accept her?

You are astonishingly ignorant.

[Tacenda]

4 minutes ago, USU78 said:

You are astonishingly ignorant.

You are astonishingly bad at not explaining yourself at times. Thank you very much!

[USU78]

13 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

You are astonishingly bad at not explaining yourself at times. Thank you very much!

I'm not letting you off the hook here.  Regardless of whether my writing is too cryptic for easy decipherment, you have to take some responsibility.  You jump to the conclusion (because of a predisposition, I suppose for lack of better information, to despise what white Mormon males have to say and how they think and how they act) that my mention in an ecstatic moment of hope for a poor, manipulated child, that my reference to O'Hare necessarily meant I wished the child or her mother to die.

How cruel and nasty-minded is that?

With one quick wiki search you could have found that O'Haire's previously manipulated daughter [sic, should be son], who most recently has been quite vocal and public in her repudiation of her mother and her mother's work, was my quite obvious reference.  Look at the context of this board.  It is about parental manipulation far more than it's about giving disaffected Mormons, former Mormons and anti Mormons another reason to be p!$$ed off about things that, frankly, don't remotely concern them.

And it's also, in the context of my own offerings on this thread, which are quite consistent, about using another human being to advance one's political agenda and power.  

Here's the map:  this mother:  her politics:  her agenda:  her desires:  her used child.

Edited June 26, 2017 by USU78

[USU78]

32 minutes ago, Rain said:

I've been trying to figure out what he means as well.

What do you meant that USU?

I've explained in my next 2 prior posts.  Here's the poop on O'Haire's son [not daughter -- oops!]:  http://people.com/archive/the-son-of-atheist-leader-madalyn-murray-ohair-turns-away-from-mother-to-god-vol-13-no-22/

[Tacenda]

14 minutes ago, USU78 said:

I'm not letting you off the hook here.  Regardless of whether my writing is too cryptic for easy decipherment, you have to take some responsibility.  You jump to the conclusion (because of a predisposition, I suppose for lack of better information, to despise what white Mormon males have to say and how they think and how they act) that my mention in an ecstatic moment of hope for a poor, manipulated child, that my reference to O'Hare necessarily meant I wished the child or her mother to die.

How cruel and nasty-minded is that?

With one quick wiki search you could have found that O'Haire's previously manipulated daughter [sic, should be son], who most recently has been quite vocal and public in her repudiation of her mother and her mother's work, was my quite obvious reference.  Look at the context of this board.  It is about parental manipulation far more than it's about giving disaffected Mormons, former Mormons and anti Mormons another reason to be p!$$ed off about things that, frankly, don't remotely concern them.

And it's also, in the context of my own offerings on this thread, which are quite consistent, about using another human being to advance one's political agenda and power.  

Here's the map:  this mother:  her politics:  her agenda:  her desires:  her used child.

Read my post, I never said anything about you wishing she would die. And you are wrong that Savannah's mother put her up to it. So wrong.

[Jeanne]

58 minutes ago, USU78 said:

You are astonishingly ignorant.

Would love to report you on this..but I won't. 

[USU78]

1 hour ago, Tacenda said:

Read my post, I never said anything about you wishing she would die. And you are wrong that Savannah's mother put her up to it. So wrong.

Ah  ...  you are correct.  That would be JulieM who posted that.  My apologies.

But let's be honest  ...  you did jump to that conclusion, didn't you?

[Amulek]

On 6/16/2017 at 5:19 PM, Thinking said:

In the thread about the 12 year-old beehive, juliann wrote...

Many of us have sat through those agonizing testimonies.

• One minute before the bishopric member stands up that one ward member stands up and the Sunday School teachers immediately begin thinking of ways to shorten their lessons.
• Brother Repetition stands up and tells the same stories that he always tells as if he has never told them.

I have never personally witnessed a microphone being turned off on a testimony. I wonder if bishops receive any training on when it is necessary and how to approach the member.

I have never witnessed a microphone being turned off, but I have seen plenty of times where the Bishop has asked someone to wrap it up. The one (consistent) thing I remember about each of those instances though is how patient and kind the Bishop was. I certainly would have been quicker on the trigger.

Fast and testimony meeting is for the bearing of testimonies about Jesus Christ and the restored gospel: it is not ‘open mic night’ at the LDS church.

 

[Tacenda]

17 minutes ago, USU78 said:

Ah  ...  you are correct.  That would be JulieM who posted that.  My apologies.

But let's be honest  ...  you did jump to that conclusion, didn't you?

Absolutely not, like it read in my post I thought maybe you thought she should be an atheist or something. But that's what happens when you don't explain better. I guess I might just be ignorant for saying that though. 

[Amulek]

On 6/17/2017 at 6:08 PM, Duncan said:

Here's a  related question, what does anybody do if the presiding leader says something inappropriate, do we are just have to sit there and take it? I've had that twice happen, does someone else shut the mic off?

My understanding is that, in a situation such as this, you would go to the presiding leader in private and discuss your concerns with him directly. If you aren’t able to work things out then you could conceivably go up the chain and discuss it with the next highest presiding authority.

A few years ago we were having a Ward Conference and the Stake President had prepared a lesson to give during the second hour. To be honest, I can’t remember much of what he talked about, but I do remember that he kept using the word ‘predestination’ instead of ‘fore-ordination’ throughout the lesson. I understood what he was talking about and didn’t think anything of it.

However, there was another member of the ward who was apparently quite bothered by it. The only reason I know this is because the Stake President interrupted our Elders Quorum lesson and told us as much: that someone had approached him after the meeting and brought to his attention that fact that he had been making comments which were not doctrinally correct.

He was deeply apologetic and wanted each of us to know that he was sorry for having spoken in error and that – should he ever do so in the future – we should make him aware of it. He then went on to say the same thing to the Relief Society and the High Priest Group. His humility and sincerity had a much stronger influence on me than the actual subject of his lesson – the substance of which I can no longer even recall.

 

 

[JulieM]

1 hour ago, USU78 said:

Ah  ...  you are correct.  That would be JulieM who posted that.  

I didn't post that either.  Your post was just done in incredibly poor taste (to post about a young girl). You're being highly offensive here and then calling others "astonishingly ignorant"?   Not cool.  

Edited June 26, 2017 by JulieM

[USU78]

39 minutes ago, JulieM said:

I didn't post that either.  Your post was just done in incredibly poor taste (to post about a young girl). You're being highly offensive here and then calling others "astonishingly ignorant"?   Not cool.  

How did you miss I was slamming the mother and not the child?  Feckless fools messing with children's lives, especially for political purposes, deserve to be slammed.  Look at what that harridan O'Haire did to her poor son.  Ruined the guy's life.  All for her politics, caring not a d@mn about his needs.  Where's the compassion for the innocent victims of their parents' hatreds?

Sheesh.

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, JulieM said:

I didn't post that either.  Your post was just done in incredibly poor taste (to post about a young girl). You're being highly offensive here and then calling others "astonishingly ignorant"?   Not cool.  

Thanks Julie and others for having my back. I guess I wasn't too shocked at being called ignorant, kind of disensitized to the pejoratives on here. And you're right you didn't post what USU78 said you did, so frustrating. 

[USU78]

5 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Absolutely not, like it read in my post I thought maybe you thought she should be an atheist or something. But that's what happens when you don't explain better. I guess I might just be ignorant for saying that though. 

Let's play a game:  Hi, Tacenda.  My name's '78.  How you doin'?

[hagoth7]

8 hours ago, USU78 said:

I'm not letting you off the hook here....You jump to the conclusion (because of a predisposition, I suppose for lack of better information, to despise what white Mormon males have to say and how they think and how they act...

...Look at the context of this board.  It is about parental manipulation...

A polite request to let T off the hook:

I happen to be white. Mormon. and male (at least until the recent pronouncement by someone else that I am instead a woman.) 

Despite my identity aigning with yours, T has shown *zero* disposition in our interactions to despise what I say/think/do.  Instead, she has been very kind.

Remove the hook...please.

/boardNannying

<h7BootedFromThread...

Edited June 27, 2017 by hagoth7

[USU78]

1 hour ago, hagoth7 said:

A polite request to let T off the hook:

I happen to be white. Mormon. and male (at least until the recent pronouncement by someone else that I am instead a woman.) 

Despite my identity aigning with yours, T has shown *zero* disposition in our interactions to despise what I say/think/do.  Instead, she has been very kind.

Remove the hook...please.

/boardNannying

<h7BootedFromThread...

I've reached out. We shall see

[california boy]

4 hours ago, USU78 said:

I've reached out. We shall see

How about an apology instead.

[hagoth7]

How about an apology instead.

If I were a gambling man, I would bet money that has already been done. :0)

Edited June 27, 2017 by hagoth7

[Tacenda]

9 hours ago, hagoth7 said:

If I were a gambling man, I would bet money that has already been done. :0)

Nope, unless his comment that he wants to play a game and ask how I'm doing is reaching out. 

[Tacenda]

14 hours ago, USU78 said:

I've reached out. We shall see

I'm oblivious to this, where?