hope_for_things Posted May 9, 2017 Posted May 9, 2017 27 minutes ago, sheilauk said: granted I haven't been in the church long but I have seen no strictness over the sabbath, except an exhortation from the brethren to observe it where possible, and certainly no different from other churches I've been to. nor do I see my ward members being very strict or overtly judgemental. I don't think I've heard anything that leads me to believe fly fishing would be wrong. I generally try to avoid activity that requires paid work, but I often go for walks and I even do chores sometimes because of my schedule. I think it's left up to each person how they keep the sabbath or the Lords Day holy. cultures vary, even in the church. The main thing is to keep it holy. so I can't say why because I don't see it like you do. BYU is the only college that I know of that won't play sporting events on Sundays as there are a lot of other Christian colleges that will still participate in sporting events on Sunday. I've heard that a lot of the areas of the country where businesses used to close on Sunday, things have changed and businesses are pretty much universally open on Sundays. Utah still has quite a few businesses that close on Sunday. Also, the emphasis around not participating in recreational events on Sunday I'm also thinking is a Mormon emphasis you don't see elsewhere.
strappinglad Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 " the Sabbath was made for man , not man for the Sabbath " . Fine. If the Lord built a house for me , the first thing I would do is start moving the walls around and turning the dining room into a bedroom and .... 2
Kenngo1969 Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 Hope Fer Thangs: (What? Oh. Sorry. That's just my Southern Utah heritage/dialect sneakin' out a bit ...) Aaany-way ... Where was I? Oh. You'd be surprised to learn, despite the number of Blue Laws that have been repealed in recent years, how many are still on the books. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_laws_in_the_United_States Utah does have its idiosyncracies, perhaps, but it's far from alone.
Raingirl Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Doctrine Matters said: The Sabbath begins at Friday sundown and goes to Saturday sundown. Christians, real Christians, observe "The Lord's Day," which is Sunday. So, you're saying that "real Christians" don't keep the 4th Commandment, then? Odd.
Rain Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 I guess we are good. Much of the LDS world observes The Lord's Day on Sunday, but those LDS who are in Israel observe the Sabbath on Saturday. So we've got both days covered...just in case it really matters. 1
Kenngo1969 Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 I may have my share of disagreements regarding a properly-observed Sabbath as expressed by some on this thread, but those with whom I may disagree are certainly not accountable to me for how they choose to observe it (or not): That's between them and God. I commented earlier on how, given my recent enforced non-participation in my own ward, I think (with due respect) that the "take-a-sabbatical-from-Church" crowd is nuts! (Though that stance, too, is between members of the "take-a-sabbatical-from-Church" crowd and God.) That said, while this may simply be a rationalization, an alibi, and/or a justification on my part, I do think it's possible to keep the Sabbath in spirit when we're faced with the prospect of having to do things we would rather do on the other six days of the week on the Sabbath. (I think my dad did that quite a bit in his 43-year law enforcement career, though he was less active for a part of it.) Fortunately, we're judged not only by what we do (and/or by what we refrain from doing) but also by the "thoughts and intents" of our hearts (Alma 18:32, Doctrine and Covenants 6:16). Similarly, King Benjamin spoke of the importance of having a spirit of charity (that is, of having a giving heart, whether or not we're actually able to give). Thus, he told those who were of modest material means (or less), " I [speak unto] all [of] you who deny the beggar, because ye have not; I would that ye say in your hearts that: I give not because I have not, but if I had I would give" (Mosiah 4:24). I think a similar principle applies with regard to Sabbath observance: What's in our heart matters.
Kenngo1969 Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, Rain said: I guess we are good. Much of the LDS world observes The Lord's Day on Sunday, but those LDS who are in Israel observe the Sabbath on Saturday. So we've got both days covered...just in case it really matters. And LDS in the Muslim world observe the Sabbath on Friday. 1
Rain Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: And LDS in the Muslim world observe the Sabbath on Friday. With a wink I figure you are joking, but just in case people wonder - LDS members really do observe it on Saturday in Israel. Edited May 13, 2017 by Rain
Kenngo1969 Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, Rain said: With a wink I figure you are joking, but just in case people wonder - LDS member really do observe it on Saturday in Israel. Nope. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Not joking. LDS in majority-Muslim countries really do observe the Sabbath on Friday. In a similar vein to my previous post, I'm reminded of what the Lord told Joseph Smith about what substances are permitted to be used for the Sacrament: What matters most is having an eye single to God's glory and doing what we do in the right spirit, not the particular substances involved. (See Doctrine and Covenants 27:1-4. (Sans winky! Not joking! Heh!)) So here. What matters most is the spirit in which we do what we do and having an eye single to God's glory, not necessarily the day on which we do it. Edited May 14, 2017 by Kenngo1969 1
whirlingmerc Posted May 21, 2017 Posted May 21, 2017 Not as simple a subject as it sounds... I would be very charitable towerds how people apply this as per their concience 1) Jesus is a type of Sabbath, having paid for sins believers enter into a type of rest from evil works 2) The term Lord's day is preferred by many and at least as used by apostle John and similar 3) Isaiah still uses phrases related to the Sabbath post Isaiah 53 and there is Sabbath language pre Moses the only use of the word holy in Genesis being related to the 7th day
mfbukowski Posted May 21, 2017 Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) On 5/9/2017 at 3:54 PM, hope_for_things said: BYU is the only college that I know of that won't play sporting events on Sundays as there are a lot of other Christian colleges that will still participate in sporting events on Sunday. I've heard that a lot of the areas of the country where businesses used to close on Sunday, things have changed and businesses are pretty much universally open on Sundays. Utah still has quite a few businesses that close on Sunday. Also, the emphasis around not participating in recreational events on Sunday I'm also thinking is a Mormon emphasis you don't see elsewhere. Vienna Austria and many other European cities have many businesses closed. We found it surprising considering those countries tend to be secular- but there it was. I have also seen business closed in the southern US. When I was a kid in Joseph Smith's time in western New York, most business were closed. (Early '50's actually- and I mean the NINETEEN Fifties. ) Edited May 21, 2017 by mfbukowski
Kenngo1969 Posted May 21, 2017 Posted May 21, 2017 1 minute ago, mfbukowski said: Vienna Austria and many other European cities have many businesses closed. We found it surprising considering those countries tend to be secular- but there it was. I have also seen business closed in the southern US Yep. So-called "Blue Laws" may not be as ubiquitous as they once were, but they're in no danger of disappearing entirely any time soon. Anyone who thinks Utah has any kind of a corner on "weirdness" in that regard needs to get around more. 1
hope_for_things Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Vienna Austria and many other European cities have many businesses closed. We found it surprising considering those countries tend to be secular- but there it was. I have also seen business closed in the southern US. When I was a kid in Joseph Smith's time in western New York, most business were closed. (Early '50's actually- and I mean the NINETEEN Fifties. ) Thats interesting to hear that they do this in Europe. I don't have a problem with it per say, its just curious to me why this particular emphasis has evolved in the way it has. Mormons have their distinctive doctrines about things like the WoW, or polygamy, and historians have written enough about those distinctive doctrines and I can understand the history of that evolution better. But why this particular more strict interpretation and emphasis on Sabbath day observance? What led to this particular doctrine being interpreted in this manner? Seems like a worthy topic for study, if it hasn't been explored before. Edited May 22, 2017 by hope_for_things
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