Jeanne Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 57 minutes ago, Calm said: Tacenda, I suspect it wasn't 'Mother in Heaven belongs to LDS alone', but rather 'if you reject Joseph Smith and others as prophets who can receive revelation, why would you continue to believe the revelation of Mother in Heaven?' The concept of Mother in Heaven is unique to LDS and spinoffs among Christian faiths, I believe. Among other faiths, I haven't seen comparable beliefs, the TriGoddess of some Wicca faiths for example is quite different. It is unique and I get to keep it if I want too..Don't we all throw away things sometimes and just keep the things we love. You act like I don't have that right because I don't believe in Joseph Smith...and yet others believe every word he says when there is no evidence there either.
Bernard Gui Posted February 18, 2017 Author Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: So just because you're not a member you shouldn't want to cling to a mother in heaven? Wow Jeanne, you sure were gentle about it. My answer would be more huffy. And why would non members be excluded from having a mother in heaven? It was not even hinted that anyone who believes in a Mother in Heaven should be excluded. In fact, I have repeatedly quoted the Article of Faith that grants everyone the privilege of worshiping how, where, or what they may. It was not a question one should get huffy about. There was no huffiness intended. I don't know of any other religion or world view that believes God has a wife who is called Mother in Heaven. If one rejects the Church that introduced Mother in Heaven, why would one hold to this very unusual belief and reject the other teachings that support it? Edited February 18, 2017 by Bernard Gui 2
Jeanne Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 Oh...and by the way...If I have a heavenly mother..she probably isn't LDS.
Tacenda Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Calm said: Tacenda, I suspect it wasn't 'Mother in Heaven belongs to LDS alone', but rather 'if you reject Joseph Smith and others as prophets who can receive revelation, why would you continue to believe the revelation of Mother in Heaven?' The concept of Mother in Heaven is unique to LDS and spinoffs among Christian faiths, I believe. Among other faiths, I haven't seen comparable beliefs, the TriGoddess of some Wicca faiths for example is quite different. And those that believe God is neither a she or he, I guess. Or no he, just she. Okay, I'm confusing myself. I think it's sweet Jeanne believes in a Mother in heaven. For a while, while listening to some EV's, it was wrong to believe in a Mother, just as you say, it's kind of an LDS thing. But I sure would like to think I had a Mother in heaven now. Edited February 18, 2017 by Tacenda 1
Bernard Gui Posted February 18, 2017 Author Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Jeanne said: It is unique and I get to keep it if I want too..Don't we all throw away things sometimes and just keep the things we love. You act like I don't have that right because I don't believe in Joseph Smith...and yet others believe every word he says when there is no evidence there either. I will repeat once more what I have said before.......our Articles of Faith declare you may worship how, where, or what you may. Asking why you hold onto something uniquely Mormon when you reject all else that supports the belief is hardly an act of denying you your rights. I have affirmed that several times. I even affirmed your right to pray to her. Edited February 18, 2017 by Bernard Gui 3
Jeanne Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Bernard Gui said: It was not even hinted that anyone who believes in a Mother in Heaven should be excluded. In fact, I have repeatedly quoted the Article of Faith that grants everyone the privilege of worshiping how, where, or what they may. It was not a question one should get huffy about. There was no huffiness intended. I don't know of any other religion or world view that believes God has a wife who is called Mother in Heaven. If one rejects the Church that introduced Mother in Heaven, why would one hold to this very unusual belief and reject the other teachings that support it? Because I like it.
Bernard Gui Posted February 18, 2017 Author Posted February 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, Jeanne said: Well that too. My thinking is if we could talk her, she would tell us the truth of all things..no holding back. You can talk to her. Has she held anything back?
Jeanne Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 Just now, Bernard Gui said: I will repeat once more what I have said numerous times here.......our Articles of Faith declare you may worship how, where, or what you may. Asking why you hold something uniquely Mormon when you reject all else is hardly an act of denying you your rights. I have affirmed that several times. I am not arguing...just saying that it is okay if I keep some things that I love and disregard the rest. Your sacrament meeting today might have been full of people like me. Thank you for holding on to that article of faith as it is another thing I wish that more people would not only just say...but put into action.
Jeanne Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Bernard Gui said: You can talk to her. Has she held anything back? 2 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: You can talk to her. Has she held anything back? Not a word from her. But I keep trying. I hope that this is not just another hope that is diminished..but I keep trying. Though there are not any answers, there is a comfort when I talk to her about the people I miss.
Bernard Gui Posted February 18, 2017 Author Posted February 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jeanne said: I am not arguing...just saying that it is okay if I keep some things that I love and disregard the rest. Your sacrament meeting today might have been full of people like me. Thank you for holding on to that article of faith as it is another thing I wish that more people would not only just say...but put into action. I doubt my sacrament meeting tomorrow will be full of people who talk with Heavenly Mother, but reject the doctrines that taught us about her. Do you have issues with Jesus being male? 1
Bernard Gui Posted February 18, 2017 Author Posted February 18, 2017 Just now, Jeanne said: Not a word from her. But I keep trying. I hope that this is not just another hope that is diminished..but I keep trying. Though there are not any answers, there is a comfort when I talk to her about the people I miss. Seems like the Holy Spirit is the one designated by the Father to do that work.
Jeanne Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: I doubt my sacrament meeting tomorrow will be full of people who talk with Heavenly Mother, but reject the doctrines that taught us about her. Do you have issues with Jesus being male? I just meant that more people than you know believe in some things but not the rest. I don't know what I thought today was Sunday.. 2 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: Seems like the Holy Spirit is the one designated by the Father to do that work. Maybe the Mother did the designating..or perhaps she is not supposed to talk to me. 1
Calm Posted February 19, 2017 Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jeanne said: It is unique and I get to keep it if I want too..Don't we all throw away things sometimes and just keep the things we love. You act like I don't have that right because I don't believe in Joseph Smith...and yet others believe every word he says when there is no evidence there either. In no way am I suggesting you don't have a right to it. Sheesh, give someone the benefit of the doubt for once. I have never, ever written anything that would hint people don't have a right to believe whatever they want, no matter where they got the belief from. It just isn't logically consistent to say Joseph Smith was a false prophet and thus he received no revelations and then say he received a revelation about Mother in Heaven. That is why I think BG was wondering why you would continue to believe that teaching when rejecting his other claims to revelation. There is no reason not to say 'I like the idea itself and believe it is the truth.' There is nothing logically inconsistent in that. Edited February 19, 2017 by Calm 1
Calm Posted February 19, 2017 Posted February 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: And those that believe God is neither a she or he, I guess. Or no he, just she. Okay, I'm confusing myself. I think it's sweet Jeanne believes in a Mother in heaven. For a while, while listening to some EV's, it was wrong to believe in a Mother, just as you say, it's kind of an LDS thing. But I sure would like to think I had a Mother in heaven now. It is a beautiful teaching. I am glad when it is not dispensed with when other teachings are. 1
Ouagadougou Posted February 19, 2017 Posted February 19, 2017 On 14.02.2017 at 6:25 PM, Teancum said: I think if you really believe you will be a god and create worlds you are believing in a wonderful fantasy. I drink tea, so I guess I won't be able to be a God. I'm fine with playing golf on a planet near Kolob for the rest of eternity though. 😀
Bernard Gui Posted February 19, 2017 Author Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ouagadougou said: I drink tea, so I guess I won't be able to be a God. I'm fine with playing golf on a planet near Kolob for the rest of eternity though. 😀 Well, no, that isn't what Mormons believe, but it does make a great straw man meme. Edited February 19, 2017 by Bernard Gui 2
JLHPROF Posted February 19, 2017 Posted February 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Ouagadougou said: I drink tea, so I guess I won't be able to be a God. I'm fine with playing golf on a planet near Kolob for the rest of eternity though. 😀 You won't be able to be a God till you learn to follow your file leader, just as Christ followed his. Rebellion is not a trait of God. But no, the tea won't be a problem.
Ouagadougou Posted February 19, 2017 Posted February 19, 2017 9 hours ago, Bernard Gui said: Well, no, that isn't what Mormons believe, but it does make a great straw man meme. If I can't get a temple recommend (because I drink tea), then I technically won't be worthy of the highest level of the celestial kingdom, right? Temple worthy = highest level of salvation in Mormonism, right? *And the final judgement*
Ouagadougou Posted February 19, 2017 Posted February 19, 2017 9 hours ago, JLHPROF said: You won't be able to be a God till you learn to follow your file leader, just as Christ followed his. Rebellion is not a trait of God. But no, the tea won't be a problem. So I can still make it by drinking tea? "Eternal life, or celestial glory or exaltation, is a conditional gift. Conditions of this gift have been established by the Lord, who said, “If you keep my commandments and endure to the end you shall have eternal life, which gift is the greatest of all the gifts of God.”13 Those qualifying conditions include faith in the Lord, repentance, baptism, receiving the Holy Ghost, and remaining faithful to the ordinances and covenants of the temple." I guess if my bishop decides that I can get a temple recommend then I can become a God. 😀 https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2008/04/salvation-and-exaltation?lang=eng
Kenngo1969 Posted February 19, 2017 Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) I would say that anyone who makes promises to God and then breaks them should not expect to get the same thing from God as those who keep their promises to Him expect from Him. That said, you clearly (from your posting history) don't attach the same significance to one/some of those promises, don't believe there are blessings attached to that promise/those promises, and don't believe in the potential consequences of breaking that promise/those promises. If you changed the theme of your meme (hey, that rhymes! ) to, "I'm so happy you kept your covenants!" you'd have it pretty much exactly right. Thanks fer playin! Edited February 19, 2017 by Kenngo1969 1
Kenngo1969 Posted February 19, 2017 Posted February 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, Ouagadougou said: ... I guess if my bishop decides that I can get a temple recommend then I can become a God. 😀 https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2008/04/salvation-and-exaltation?lang=eng Snide emoticons aside, your bishop has nothing to do with the reward you receive at the final judgment (yet another misunderstanding on your part). See 2 Nephi 9:41. But this is all taking the thread quite far afield from the originator's intent, no?
Ouagadougou Posted February 19, 2017 Posted February 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: Snide emoticons aside, your bishop has nothing to do with the reward you receive at the final judgment (yet another misunderstanding on your part). See 2 Nephi 9:41. But this is all taking the thread quite far afield from the originator's intent, no? What are the requirements to reach the Celestial Kingdom? - Must be temple worthy, right? If you drink tea, then some bishops might not give you a recommend. So, drinking tea, in some ways, might prevent me from being able to create my own planets.
JLHPROF Posted February 19, 2017 Posted February 19, 2017 31 minutes ago, Ouagadougou said: What are the requirements to reach the Celestial Kingdom? - Must be temple worthy, right? If you drink tea, then some bishops might not give you a recommend. So, drinking tea, in some ways, might prevent me from being able to create my own planets. It's not the tea, it's the rebellion. The rebellious cannot become God. It has nothing to do with the liquid but with your obedience to law. God is God because he obeys every law. You seem to feel you don't need to obey that one. 1
Ouagadougou Posted February 19, 2017 Posted February 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: It's not the tea, it's the rebellion. The rebellious cannot become God. It has nothing to do with the liquid but with your obedience to law. God is God because he obeys every law. You seem to feel you don't need to obey that one. I don't even think God cares or that it's a law. 😀 You need to complete a certain checklist in order to become a God...and not drinking tea/coffee could ultimately be the difference between being a God, creating worlds and practicing spiritual polygamy, or just hanging out in a lesser kingdom by yourself.
JLHPROF Posted February 19, 2017 Posted February 19, 2017 18 minutes ago, Ouagadougou said: I don't even think God cares or that it's a law. 😀 You need to complete a certain checklist in order to become a God...and not drinking tea/coffee could ultimately be the difference between being a God, creating worlds and practicing spiritual polygamy, or just hanging out in a lesser kingdom by yourself. You can keep claiming that all you want. All you are doing is showing a lack of understanding of principle by choosing instead to resort to straw men. Kind of a silly argument to make.
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