Scott Lloyd Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 14 hours ago, rongo said: I firmly believe that the divine mandate and the ability for all of us to receive confirming or clarifying revelation for ourselves is the single biggest check on being led astray. That is the key to the whole thing, not a belief that the possibility of it ever happening is unthinkable. Interestingly, your attitude seems to apply more fervently toward directives from prophets than it does to local-unit Church leaders who make quirky mandates such as the banning of electronic devices at church.
Scott Lloyd Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 13 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: That's good to know. Since both companions stated the same incorrect information word for word I presumed a script was involved. Not necessarily. They both could have picked it up from an ill-informed predecessor. 1
Calm Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) 56 minutes ago, cinepro said: Actually, a few years ago a girl from our ward served a mission that included time on Temple Square. I asked her about being a tour Guide at the Beehive House and where they got their info from, and she said that it's simply done through training the sisters as they rotate (so a new sister will learn from the more experienced one, then she'll train the new one when the more experienced one leaves). They probably have some sort of script or resource book available, but it didn't sound like it was a huge focus of their preparation. That is both a relief (knowing the likely source) and dismaying. I would hope that there was more supervision to correct errors that creep in and add stuff where there are significant gaps. It is not like regular missionary work. They are tour guides and need to be informed. Edited October 13, 2016 by Calm 4
JLHPROF Posted October 14, 2016 Author Posted October 14, 2016 Something else I was going to mention observing that day. There were people walking their dogs around the temple (and I don't mean service animals and I don't mean just on the larger area ofTemple Square). Seriously, if one of those dogs had lifted their leg I might have said something... Just wrong IMO - I was surprised that animals were allowed by the missionaries.
boblloyd91 Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 On October 11, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Bill "Papa" Lee said: JLHPROP, Polygamy is an odd and embarrassing topic, and is so strange to the Western Christian Worldview, it must be hard to address. But it a topic that we cannot ignore when asked. However it is too large a topic to be addressed n a 15 min tour, and a topic that must be near impossible to be explained by Sister Missionaries who probably abhor the practice in any age. We know in the Book of Mormon that Jacob pulled no punches in telling the Nephites how God feels about the practice. In that sermon we can note that God the Father also abhors the practice when unnecessary...as the Scripture point out, "I The Lord do rejoice at the Cahsity of women". Sometimes I wonder if it would be more productive to just throw up our hands as say; Who knows what those people must have been thinking". Myself, I would have had the "Angel with a flaming sword" run me through. I am a one woman man, and would have been so in any age, The ironic thing is that Martin Luther of all people felt there was biblical warrant for it.
Guest Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 1 hour ago, boblloyd91 said: The ironic thing is that Martin Luther of all people felt there was biblical warrant for it. True, but it is that same Bible that paints sure an unfavorable account of the institution. It almost (if not in every case) every case it paints a picture of unhappy wives, badly behaving children and poor husbands and fathers.
Tacenda Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 1 hour ago, boblloyd91 said: The ironic thing is that Martin Luther of all people felt there was biblical warrant for it. I wonder if he felt women and others should be slaves too. There are things in the Bible that gave start to so many practices that were wrong IMO, such as polygamy and slavery. I guess I don't have the belief that it was God breathed in total, maybe in places. I'll give that the BoM was God breathed the same way. But don't believe in the part of the BoM that people should be judged according to their skin, and I believe they mean color of their skin, not the darkness of their countenance. 1
california boy Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 1 hour ago, boblloyd91 said: The ironic thing is that Martin Luther of all people felt there was biblical warrant for it. Or perhaps it was a way he thought he could justify his mistresses. 2
boblloyd91 Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 53 minutes ago, california boy said: Or perhaps it was a way he thought he could justify his mistresses. Have you ever seen Monty Python's send up of Martin Luther? It's pretty funny.
boblloyd91 Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: I wonder if he felt women and others should be slaves too. There are things in the Bible that gave start to so many practices that were wrong IMO, such as polygamy and slavery. I guess I don't have the belief that it was God breathed in total, maybe in places. I'll give that the BoM was God breathed the same way. But don't believe in the part of the BoM that people should be judged according to their skin, and I believe they mean color of their skin, not the darkness of their countenance. No matter how one cuts it, the bible isn't a politically correct book. This is from someone who loves the bible. Especially if you go really early, where there are specific rules of how to obtain sex slaves, mass genocide, how to appropriately beat your servants, where you get quarantined if you menstruate etc.
Calm Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 3 hours ago, Bill "Papa" Lee said: True, but it is that same Bible that paints sure an unfavorable account of the institution. It almost (if not in every case) every case it paints a picture of unhappy wives, badly behaving children and poor husbands and fathers. But also magnificent descendants. 1
Calm Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tacenda said: . There are things in the Bible that gave start to so many practices that were wrong IMO, such as polygamy and slavery. You are confused about history if you think polygamy and slavery didn't exist long, long before the first scroll was written of a Bible book. At worst, one can criticize the Bible for perpetuating these customs by justifying them, but those customs were prominent in areas of the world that never heard of Hebrews or Jews at the time...or before they even existed. Edited October 15, 2016 by Calm 3
Guest Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Calm said: But also magnificent descendants. Very true.
Guest Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 3 hours ago, california boy said: Or perhaps it was a way he thought he could justify his mistresses. There are much easier ways of do that.
Jeanne Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 5 hours ago, Bill "Papa" Lee said: True, but it is that same Bible that paints sure an unfavorable account of the institution. It almost (if not in every case) every case it paints a picture of unhappy wives, badly behaving children and poor husbands and fathers. Are you sure you're not talking about the 21st century?? 1
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