VideoGameJunkie Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1mFdO1wB08 This video was uploaded in 2006, but it shows how they can find stuff for the Bible, but not for the Book of Mormon. Or are scientists just not looking hard enough, or are they wrong?
Calm Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 This podcast answers some of the claims of the video: http://blog.fairmormon.org/2012/10/03/mormon-fair-cast-109-response-to-criticisms-of-the-book-of-mormon/ 1
mfbukowski Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, Calm said: This podcast answers some of the claims of the video: http://blog.fairmormon.org/2012/10/03/mormon-fair-cast-109-response-to-criticisms-of-the-book-of-mormon/ Bless you
VideoGameJunkie Posted March 3, 2016 Author Posted March 3, 2016 Wow you guys watched the video fast. I'll have to check out that podcast Calm.
Calm Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 No, I am just familiar with the video. It has been a popular go to for antimormons for a number of years. 1
Johnnie Cake Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 10 minutes ago, Calm said: No, I am just familiar with the video. It has been a popular go to for antimormons for a number of years. Anti-Mormon is a pajorative...
Calm Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) No, the group who puts out the video and many who have used it in the past have been happy enough to label themselves as "anti-mormon". Quite proud of it in my experience. "Anti-mormon" as I use it is solely those who want to destroy the Church, as meaning it no longer exists. I do not use it for all critics of the Church. And most anti-mormons I know I believe are sincere people who believe they are helping to save people from hell, a very worthy endeavour. They are not always careful in the ways they go about doing it, imo, and this video is one of those occasions (personally I would prefer they share their faith rather than trying to destroy my and others' faith in the LDS Church, but I get the reasoning that they think that is the only way Mormons will listen to their interpretation of the Gospel seriously or reasons to believe in atheism or be agnostic or whatever faith position they see as superior to LDS).. Edited March 3, 2016 by Calm 2
RevTestament Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 1 hour ago, VideoGameJunkie said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1mFdO1wB08 This video was uploaded in 2006, but it shows how they can find stuff for the Bible, but not for the Book of Mormon. Or are scientists just not looking hard enough, or are they wrong? There is actually considerable archaeological evidence supporting the Book of Mormon, but one must look in the right place.
rodheadlee Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 1 hour ago, VideoGameJunkie said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1mFdO1wB08 This video was uploaded in 2006, but it shows how they can find stuff for the Bible, but not for the Book of Mormon. Or are scientists just not looking hard enough, or are they wrong? I don't have an hour to watch it. What are their main points? What do you think? Did the Book of Mormon happen?
VideoGameJunkie Posted March 3, 2016 Author Posted March 3, 2016 6 minutes ago, rodheadlee said: I don't have an hour to watch it. What are their main points? What do you think? Did the Book of Mormon happen? Their conclusion is that there's proof for the events of the Bible, but no proof for the Book of Mormon. What do I think? I dunno, I'd like there to be proof of the Book of Mormon, but I don't know of any.
Calm Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 Some of the story about the group that put out this video: http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/publications/joel-kramer-vs-the-bible-and-joseph-smith Quote In this follow up work to DNA vs. The Book of Mormon, Kramer enlisted the help of a number of archaeologists in an attempt to demonstrate that the Bible has been verified archaeologically while the Book of Mormon has been discredited archaeologically. Therefore, the video concluded, Latter-day Saints should reject the Book of Mormon as ancient history and inspired scripture, abandon their faith in the restored gospel of Jesus Christ and adapt some form of fundamentalist Protestantism.... As mentioned, The Bible vs. The Book of Mormon seeks to attack the historical authenticity of the Book of Mormon on the grounds of archaeology. Once again Murphy was consulted by Living Hope Ministries as an expert on the Book of Mormon, alongside anthropologist and former member of the Church William E. Wilson of Northern Arizona University. The video, though rich in film quality, suffered from the same problems that have plagued past anti-Mormon treatments on Book of Mormon archaeology.8 Despite the excellent production values, the video offered little that was new, invoking the same lines of argumentation that one might find in previous works published by the zealously active anti-Mormon crusaders Jerald and Sandra Tanner and their imitators.9
VideoGameJunkie Posted March 3, 2016 Author Posted March 3, 2016 6 minutes ago, Calm said: Some of the story about the group that put out this video: http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/publications/joel-kramer-vs-the-bible-and-joseph-smith Is there a Fair Mormon article that lists the evidence for the Book of Mormon history because I would love to give that a read.
rodheadlee Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 8 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Is there a Fair Mormon article that lists the evidence for the Book of Mormon history because I would love to give that a read. It's not Fairmormon but I plan on reading this real soon https://ojs.lib.byu.edu/spc/index.php/JBMRS/article/view/20079/18639 I still have to finish Mormons Codex. 1
smac97 Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 I think William Hamblin's Basic Methodological Problems with the Anti-Mormon Approach to the Geography and Archaeology of the Book of Mormon is essential reading for participants in discussions such as this one. Thanks, -Smac 1
VideoGameJunkie Posted March 3, 2016 Author Posted March 3, 2016 34 minutes ago, Calm said: Would you prefer video or articles? Either will work for me. I must know there is proof out there, but I'd love to either watch or read.
Robert F. Smith Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Johnnie Cake said: Anti-Mormon is a pajorative... But it sounds East Indian.
Calm Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 Evidence yes, proof no. http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/publications/archaeological-evidence-and-the-book-of-mormon (be sure and read the "further reading") 1
Calm Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0BC8D118C74ED3DA 1
Calm Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 No problem, FairMormon members other than me did all the work.
VideoGameJunkie Posted March 3, 2016 Author Posted March 3, 2016 17 minutes ago, Calm said: No problem, FairMormon members other than me did all the work. Well it's good to have pro church sources that talk about this stuff so thank you.
The Nehor Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: Anti-Mormon is a pajorative... So is calling someone stupid. Yet stupid people exist and so do Anti-Mormons. The Venn diagram of the two even overlaps quite a bit. 1
Popular Post canard78 Posted March 3, 2016 Popular Post Posted March 3, 2016 3 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Their conclusion is that there's proof for the events of the Bible, but no proof for the Book of Mormon. What do I think? I dunno, I'd like there to be proof of the Book of Mormon, but I don't know of any. There's proof of the bible? What, there's proof that Moses parted the Red Sea and lead several thousand Israelites through? There's proof that Sodom & Gomorrah got burned to a crisp? There's proof that Jesus walked on water and raised people from the dead? Is there proof that he died and was resurrected? No to all of the above. There's some evidence of some of the people existing but not much more. The majority of the Bible is not proven but taken (or not) on faith. I agree that the bible has more evidence than the Book of Mormon. We can at least historically establish there were Jews in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus. We don't have any established consensus of the location, or even existence, of Nephites. But that's pretty much where the Bible "evidence lead" over the Book of Mormon ends. 6
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