mtomm Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 8 hours ago, Avatar4321 said: The Lord will provide what we are prepared for. The key word is prepared. That doesn't happen magically, or without the people and the money to make it happen.
The Nehor Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 The work will go much easier once we depose the government and set up a theocracy. Our plans are almost complete.
Avatar4321 Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 28 minutes ago, The Nehor said: The work will go much easier once we depose the government and set up a theocracy. Our plans are almost complete. Which government nare we deposing again?
The Nehor Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 43 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: Which government nare we deposing again? All of them.
stemelbow Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 We're so tiny because we can't show the benefit of becoming a member very well. We're a proud people willing to tell everyone that we're the best. But, sadly when people look they don't necessarily see the best, they see the same as everyone else. We're no more happy or better off, but the messaging we try to convey is you'll be happier and better off if you are a member covenanted with the LORD in all things. We can't verify our claims and anecdotally our message is not bourn out in reality. 1
Avatar4321 Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 8 hours ago, stemelbow said: We're so tiny because we can't show the benefit of becoming a member very well. We're a proud people willing to tell everyone that we're the best. But, sadly when people look they don't necessarily see the best, they see the same as everyone else. We're no more happy or better off, but the messaging we try to convey is you'll be happier and better off if you are a member covenanted with the LORD in all things. We can't verify our claims and anecdotally our message is not bourn out in reality. maybe that's the problem. Making covenants with the Lord is not what makes us happy. Living those covenants is what makes us happy. I know I'm much happier keeping the covenants. Problem is few people try
VideoGameJunkie Posted February 9, 2016 Author Posted February 9, 2016 The fastest growing religion is Islam. What are they doing that we are not?
Avatar4321 Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 10 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said: The fastest growing religion is Islam. What are they doing that we are not? Threatening violence and making it illegal to preach other faiths?
why me Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 19 hours ago, stemelbow said: We're so tiny because we can't show the benefit of becoming a member very well. We're a proud people willing to tell everyone that we're the best. But, sadly when people look they don't necessarily see the best, they see the same as everyone else. We're no more happy or better off, but the messaging we try to convey is you'll be happier and better off if you are a member covenanted with the LORD in all things. We can't verify our claims and anecdotally our message is not bourn out in reality. Why are you using the form 'we'? I don't think that you can speak for the body of the church. Not all are the way you claim. I think that many members can be happy as church members. They have a belief that they have the truth and that they are attempting to choose the right. No religion can verify their claims. If so, there would be no reason for faith. Quite often on the 'we' usage, people can project their own feelings on to a group. But usually this doesn't work.
why me Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 11 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said: The fastest growing religion is Islam. What are they doing that we are not? Birth rate. It is as simple as that. I don't think that many are converting to islam. But muslims do have many children. And now with the recent migrant crisis in europe, islaim is spreading rapidily into the european continent. And as the muslim birth rate increases and the other birth rates are in decline, we can see the possiblities of what will happen.
Calm Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 13 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said: The fastest growing religion is Islam. What are they doing that we are not? http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/ Having kids, apparently.
stemelbow Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 14 hours ago, Avatar4321 said: maybe that's the problem. Making covenants with the Lord is not what makes us happy. Living those covenants is what makes us happy. I know I'm much happier keeping the covenants. Problem is few people try How few? How do you know how many try to keep the covenants?
stemelbow Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 2 hours ago, why me said: Why are you using the form 'we'? I don't think that you can speak for the body of the church. Not all are the way you claim. I think that many members can be happy as church members. They have a belief that they have the truth and that they are attempting to choose the right. No religion can verify their claims. If so, there would be no reason for faith. Quite often on the 'we' usage, people can project their own feelings on to a group. But usually this doesn't work. I use we because I'm a member of the Church offering my opinion of why we are small and why our growth rate continues to shrink, which seem related. I think we have a good message to share, I just don't think we've packaged it well and I believe we're sharing the wrong stuff. My comment suggested we tell people they can be happy and better off with our religion, but when they look into it, they notice members are no more happy or better off. It seems like a failed message, to me. We can't verify the claim of being happier and better off.
why me Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 4 hours ago, stemelbow said: I use we because I'm a member of the Church offering my opinion of why we are small and why our growth rate continues to shrink, which seem related. I think we have a good message to share, I just don't think we've packaged it well and I believe we're sharing the wrong stuff. My comment suggested we tell people they can be happy and better off with our religion, but when they look into it, they notice members are no more happy or better off. It seems like a failed message, to me. We can't verify the claim of being happier and better off. I just think that you used 'we' too generally about other areas that shouldn't be a 'we'. Read your previous post again and see what I mean. For example, you said that we are a proud people....not all members feel such pride. Also, I don't think that all members are telling others that mormons are the best etc. That was my point.
stemelbow Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 39 minutes ago, why me said: I just think that you used 'we' too generally about other areas that shouldn't be a 'we'. Read your previous post again and see what I mean. For example, you said that we are a proud people....not all members feel such pride. Also, I don't think that all members are telling others that mormons are the best etc. That was my point. I see...to generalized in your view. I get ya. Didn't mean to say each and every member is that way.
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