VideoGameJunkie Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Calm said: I don't know why it's making me quote calm, but I'll ask in general, what kind of sins require what Cold Steel is talking about?
strappinglad Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 I'm probably repeating myself , but the word used most often is ' unworthily ' which is an adverb and indicates HOW something is done. ' Unworthy ' is an adjective . Being unworthy to partake is arguable connected to partaking unworthily , but not necessarily . One could be quite worthy by church rules to partake and still be doing it in an unworthy manner, as evidenced by some posts already given.
salgare Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 48 minutes ago, strappinglad said: ' unworthily ' which is an adverb and indicates HOW something is done. Robert Kirby used have have a title for me, I forgot the level ... but I always partake with my right hand, as for me to partake with my left would be partaking unworthily .... right? "Being unworthy to partake is arguable connected to partaking unworthily , but not necessarily . One could be quite worthy by church rules to partake and still be doing it in an unworthy manner, as evidenced by some posts already given. " I'm somewhat confused, please elaborate. Also consider a statement like this: I'm unworthy by church rules to go in the Temple, however I could worthily do so. Are we talking about the same thing?
Calm Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 3 hours ago, salgare said: Robert Kirby used have have a title for me, I forgot the level ... "Fur-non"?
The Nehor Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 12 hours ago, salgare said: When I have gone over the years I partake. Haven't been denied yet. With my being in direct opposition to the Church and Leaders how do you fell about that? Enjoy damnation to your soul I guess. I know of one case where an anti managed to get a recommend he was not entitled to and went through the temple. He went to a Priesthood leader and bragged about it. His response was you have now taken covenants and are under obligation to keep them and closed with, "Good luck." So what I am saying is "good luck" 1
The Nehor Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 On January 7, 2016 at 0:59 PM, Zakuska said: Why is it a big deal who gets served first anyway? Christ supped with Judas after many of the others had already eaten. Personally. If I ever get made a bishop... Im going to make sure my deacons give me the Sacrament last. There are practical reasons for it. It gives the bishop the chance to stop the ordinance if it was done incorrectly and the priests missed any signals and it allows the bishop to partake quickly so he is not distracted through the rest of the passing and can observe in case there are any problems. 1
salgare Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 5 hours ago, Calm said: "Fur-non"? Sorry I don't understand.
salgare Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Enjoy damnation to your soul I guess. I know of one case where an anti managed to get a recommend he was not entitled to and went through the temple. He went to a Priesthood leader and bragged about it. His response was you have now taken covenants and are under obligation to keep them and closed with, "Good luck." So what I am saying is "good luck" A good example of why I have to speak in terms of My God
The Nehor Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, salgare said: A good example of why I have to speak in terms of My God My God can beat up your god. 1
strappinglad Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) Suppose you are worthy by church rules. The sacrament comes by and you don't look up from your i phone on which you are playing a game. Out of habit and because you are a multitasker you partake. The reverse is possible but more problematic. You have been estranged from the church for many years and have done some sinning. You have struggled to clean up your act and have prayed earnestly for forgiveness and humbled yourself. One day you pass by the church and feel the need to reconnect.You enter and sit quietly in the back and pray .The sacrament comes by and you partake. Sure you should have gone to the Bishop first and started to process properly. Did you partake ' unworthily '? As for the temple, the questions use the word ' worthy ' . Edited January 9, 2016 by strappinglad
Zakuska Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: My God can beat up your god. Dear HF, please stop hitting yourself. 1
Calm Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 4 hours ago, salgare said: Sorry I don't understand. One of Kirby's labels, seemed like the closest hit though I find his list very limited so not very accurate.
salgare Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Calm said: One of Kirby's labels, seemed like the closest hit though I find his list very limited so not very accurate. I see, he did an update of the original which was pretty spot on for the time. I'm having a hard time finding the original, but here is a link that names the original 5 types. I was an Orthodox Mormon. http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/mormons-there-are-only-5-kinds.26229/ Edited January 9, 2016 by salgare forgot link
Calm Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 I thought you were talking about your current state as he has a nonMormon list as well.
salgare Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 20 hours ago, Calm said: I thought you were talking about your current state as he has a nonMormon list as well. I'm mormon
filovirus Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 On 1/9/2016 at 8:50 AM, strappinglad said: Suppose you are worthy by church rules. The sacrament comes by and you don't look up from your i phone on which you are playing a game. Out of habit and because you are a multitasker you partake. The reverse is possible but more problematic. You have been estranged from the church for many years and have done some sinning. You have struggled to clean up your act and have prayed earnestly for forgiveness and humbled yourself. One day you pass by the church and feel the need to reconnect.You enter and sit quietly in the back and pray .The sacrament comes by and you partake. Sure you should have gone to the Bishop first and started to process properly. Did you partake ' unworthily '? As for the temple, the questions use the word ' worthy ' . 1 Corinthians 11:2828 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
rongo Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 On 1/9/2016 at 9:50 AM, strappinglad said: Suppose you are worthy by church rules. The sacrament comes by and you don't look up from your i phone on which you are playing a game. Out of habit and because you are a multitasker you partake. What bothers me is when a family is very late, walks in as the water is being passed in the foyer, and gets the boy's attention to get the water. They didn't take the bread (they weren't even there for it), and weren't there to say amen to the water prayer. To me, the sacrament --- both the bread and the water --- is a whole (like baptism and confirmation --- one without the other is useless). If you didn't take one or assent to the prayers (part of the covenant renewal), you shouldn't take it, in my view. That said, we don't slap anyone's hand or refuse to offer it if they want it. But, members should take it more seriously and thoughtfully in many cases. 1
salgare Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 14 hours ago, Calm said: Do you see yourself as a believing Mormon? Maybe fairly comparable to JLHPROF
bluebell Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 3 hours ago, rongo said: What bothers me is when a family is very late, walks in as the water is being passed in the foyer, and gets the boy's attention to get the water. They didn't take the bread (they weren't even there for it), and weren't there to say amen to the water prayer. To me, the sacrament --- both the bread and the water --- is a whole (like baptism and confirmation --- one without the other is useless). If you didn't take one or assent to the prayers (part of the covenant renewal), you shouldn't take it, in my view. That said, we don't slap anyone's hand or refuse to offer it if they want it. But, members should take it more seriously and thoughtfully in many cases. I lived in a stake where it was policy that if you weren't present for the first prayer and the bread, then it wasn't acceptable to partake in the water. It was taught that the ordinance was the prayers, bread, and water as a whole and could not be completed piecemeal. 2
filovirus Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 3 hours ago, rongo said: What bothers me is when a family is very late, walks in as the water is being passed in the foyer, and gets the boy's attention to get the water. They didn't take the bread (they weren't even there for it), and weren't there to say amen to the water prayer. To me, the sacrament --- both the bread and the water --- is a whole (like baptism and confirmation --- one without the other is useless). If you didn't take one or assent to the prayers (part of the covenant renewal), you shouldn't take it, in my view. That said, we don't slap anyone's hand or refuse to offer it if they want it. But, members should take it more seriously and thoughtfully in many cases. If someone who comes late feels comfortable still partaking of the sacrament, why withhold it from them? Can they not partake of the bread at the conclusion of the meeting? I think this is where a judge in Israel should make the decision for his ward. We need to respect how the bishop decides to get the sacrament to those willing to partake.
thatjimguy Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 On 1/8/2016 at 10:46 AM, Rain said: I often hear that, but do you know anywhere it is taught that in church approved sources? It doesn't make logical sense to me. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1989/04/the-beauty-and-importance-of-the-sacrament?lang=eng#watch=video From the talk from John H Groberg; What does it mean to partake of the sacrament worthily? Or how do we know if we are unworthy? If we desire to improve (which is to repent) and are not under priesthood restriction, then, in my opinion, we are worthy. If, however, we have no desire to improve, if we have no intention of following the guidance of the Spirit, we must ask: Are we worthy to partake, or are we making a mockery of the very purpose of the sacrament, which is to act as a catalyst for personal repentance and improvement? If we remember the Savior and all he has done and will do for us, we will improve our actions and thus come closer to him, which keeps us on the road to eternal life. If, however, we refuse to repent and improve, if we do not remember him and keep his commandments, then we have stopped our growth, and that is damnation to our souls. The sacrament is an intensely personal experience, and we are the ones who knowingly are worthy or otherwise. *** Of course, you could easily say "see, that last sentence gives us the right to distinguish if we are worthy or not" My response would be; Then why are you sitting there in church?...take the sacrament and be willing to change now." If you really didn't care, you wouldn't be there.
The Nehor Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 On 1/11/2016 at 0:12 PM, filovirus said: If someone who comes late feels comfortable still partaking of the sacrament, why withhold it from them? Can they not partake of the bread at the conclusion of the meeting? I think this is where a judge in Israel should make the decision for his ward. We need to respect how the bishop decides to get the sacrament to those willing to partake. In general bishops have told people not to take the sacrament if they miss the beginning of it. Last Sunday I did not set an alarm and showed up late. I missed the hymn and the bread prayer. I decided to abstain....and decided to set an alarm for every Sunday. Most people can get up at 9:30 without an alarm. Not sure what my problem is. 1
rongo Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 I've had people come up after sacrament meeting and say, "I missed the sacrament. Can I take it now before the boys clean it up?" And I say, "No, you missed the prayers. Make sure to be on time next week."
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