Tony Frank Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 The gate by which we enter the straight and narrow path is baptism. At the end of the straight and narrow path is another gate, the gate where Jesus Christ employs no servant. He alone is the Judge. The Savior employs many servants to help us in our journey on the straight and narrow path so that we will be judged worthy of celestial glory when we get to the end. Some people believe Christ has no need to employ any servants to help us in our journey. They believe people who follow the prophet are allowing a man to come between them and Jesus Christ. They insist that we should follow only Jesus Christ because He employs no servant at the gate. Here is a list of men who followed the prophet until they became the prophet, after which they were led by Jesus Christ. 1. Brigham Young2. John Taylor3. Wilford Woodruff4. Lorenzo Snow5. Joseph F. Smith6. Heber J. Grant7. George Albert Smith8. David O. McKay9. Joseph Fielding Smith10. Harold B. Lee11. Spencer W. Kimball12. Ezra Taft Benson13. Howard W. Hunter14. Gordon B. Hinckley15. Thomas S. Monson Anyone who says that they have no need to follow the prophet and that they are led only by Jesus Christ is not doing what all the Latter-day prophets have done. The prophet is being led by Jesus Christ, and if we follow the prophet, we will be following Jesus Christ.
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JLHPROF Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 The gate by which we enter the straight and narrow path is baptism. At the end of the straight and narrow path is another gate, the gate where Jesus Christ employs no servant. He alone is the Judge. The Savior employs many servants to help us in our journey on the straight and narrow path so that we will be judged worthy of celestial glory when we get to the end. Some people believe Christ has no need to employ any servants to help us in our journey. They believe people who follow the prophet are allowing a man to come between them and Jesus Christ. They insist that we should follow only Jesus Christ because He employs no servant at the gate. Here is a list of men who followed the prophet until they became the prophet, after which they were led by Jesus Christ. 1. Brigham Young2. John Taylor3. Wilford Woodruff4. Lorenzo Snow5. Joseph F. Smith6. Heber J. Grant7. George Albert Smith8. David O. McKay9. Joseph Fielding Smith10. Harold B. Lee11. Spencer W. Kimball12. Ezra Taft Benson13. Howard W. Hunter14. Gordon B. Hinckley15. Thomas S. Monson Anyone who says that they have no need to follow the prophet and that they are led only by Jesus Christ is not doing what all the Latter-day prophets have done. The prophet is being led by Jesus Christ, and if we follow the prophet, we will be following Jesus Christ. SO close. I was almost able to say I completely agree. This is mostly correct.Except -1. He alone is the Judge (not true)2. If we follow the prophet, we will be following Jesus Christ (mostly true)
mfbukowski Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 I want to get to the gate where Eloheim employs no servants 2
JLHPROF Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 I want to get to the gate where Eloheim employs no servants AMEN! (Which requires passing by Christ. Same as reaching Christ's gate requires passing by our priesthood heads. Up the ladder slowly...) 1
mfbukowski Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 AMEN! (Which requires passing by Christ. Same as reaching Christ's gate requires passing by our priesthood heads. Up the ladder slowly...)The key is listening in the temple. Who's at the gate? 1
CV75 Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 I want to get to the gate where Eloheim employs no servants(that's not a gate!) 1
CV75 Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 Some thoughts on the matter: Jesus stands at the gate between mortality and immortality and lets us pass by virtue of His Atonement. Through His perfect obedience, submission and inheritance, the veil is rent and the Father lets us into His presence by Jesus’ grace. We come in at the gate (mortality) and the strait gate (the Gospel doctrines, covenants and ordinances) and climb up (resurrection and exaltation through Jesus) into the presence of the Father – Moses 7:53. The gate leads to the veil of exaltation (D&C 132:22), and passing through the veil takes us into the presence of the Father. Notice that hell has many gates (as in “gates of hell”). 1
mfbukowski Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) The gate leads to the veil of exaltation (D&C 132:22), and passing through the veil takes us into the presence of the Father. Hebrews 10 19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God; 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance offaith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.John 10: 9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. Edited October 22, 2015 by mfbukowski
danielwoods Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 I'm reminded of John 10:9 "I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."
jkwilliams Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 I suppose it's important to make pretty darned sure the guide you are following is actually leading you to Christ, 1
mfbukowski Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) I suppose it's important to make pretty darned sure the guide you are following is actually leading you to Christ,"Actually"??What does that mean "leading you to Christ" and how can you know? Who is Christ and where does he live? Do you have his address? This is not an empirical quest There is only one guide and it is inside each of us Edited October 22, 2015 by mfbukowski 2
mfbukowski Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 Can we just for once have a spiritual discussion without making it an argument about who is "right"?
jkwilliams Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) "Actually"??What does that mean "leading you to Christ" and how can you know? Who is Christ and where does he live? Do you have his address? This is not an empirical quest There is only one guide and it is inside each of us Thanks for the edit, as what you added is remarkably similar to what I was going to say. Every journey is personal, and I can no more say mine is right and yours is wrong than you can say the opposite. As for the address, I've narrowed it down to a 15-block radius in Amarillo. Edited October 22, 2015 by jkwilliams 1
JLHPROF Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) Who is Christ and where does he live? Do you have his address? You mean he doesn't live at 50 E. North Temple, in SLC? No wonder he never wrote back... Edited October 22, 2015 by JLHPROF 1
jkwilliams Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) You mean he doesn't live at 50 E. South Temple, in SLC? No wonder he never wrote back... He lives at City Creek? I would have thought he lived across the street at 47 East South Temple. Oh, I see. He lives at the Farr Ice Cream parlor. That's where I would live if I could. Edited October 22, 2015 by jkwilliams 2
JLHPROF Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) He lives at City Creek? I would have thought he lived across the street at 47 East South Temple. Oh, I see. He lives at the Farr Ice Cream parlor. That's where I would live if I could. I fixed it to North Temple at the same time you were correcting me...oops. Edited October 22, 2015 by JLHPROF
jkwilliams Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 I fixed it to North Temple...oops. I would think he'd spend more time at 47 East South Temple.
JLHPROF Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 I would think he'd spend more time at 47 East South Temple. I hear he used to live at 50 West North Temple but hasn't been seen there in a while.
jkwilliams Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 I hear he used to live at 50 West North Temple but hasn't been seen there in a while. I don't blame him. Always go where the ice cream is. 1
JLHPROF Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 I'm at the gate where I need no Christ. Oh boy are you wrong.
Tsuzuki Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) Oh boy are you wrong.Something that never really made sense to me is that Mormonism doesn't believe in original sin, but still says we need to be saved from it. A "fortunate fall" does not need a Redeemer. Edited October 22, 2015 by Tsuzuki
MiserereNobis Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 Can we just for once have a spiritual discussion without making it an argument about who is "right"? You need to go to a monastery and not an internet discussion board (Trappist monks make some dang good cheese, bread, and beer, too!) 4
Tony Frank Posted October 22, 2015 Author Posted October 22, 2015 Something that never really made sense to me is that Mormonism doesn't believe in original sin, but still says we need to be saved from it. A "fortunate fall" does not need a Redeemer. At the age of eight years, when we know good from evil, Satan tempts us. We are sinners and need Christ to overcome Satan and our evil nature, and to be forgiven for our sins. No one needs to be saved from Adams transgression, which I assume you believe is "original sin."
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