ALarson Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Here's an article that explains how the website works, the costs, etc.: http://relationships.answers.com/dating-websites/how-much-does-ashley-madison-really-cost How much does fully using Ashley Madison cost?Because contacting members requires credits, most people end up paying for the use of Ashley Madison's site. There are three different packages you can purchase when you decide to buy credits on the site. The introductory package offers 100 credits for $49. The elite status package is 500 credits for $149, and last but certainly not least is the affair guarantee package at $259. This last package, however, means exactly what it says. Given that you initiate a certain amount of contact within a three-month period of purchasing the package, Ashley Madison completely refunds you if you have not had an affair at the end of their trial period. Edited August 21, 2015 by ALarson
The Nehor Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 So does this say more about Mormons or exMormons or people surrounded by Mormons? 2
KevinG Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 It doesn't say anything about any individual. It says something about the state. What? That it went to hell when all the Califoricators moved in. Or perhaps that the LDS Church doesn't control all of its citizens like robots? Just what conclusions can you draw from the number of pay for adultry website members of any given state? 1
KevinG Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 So does this say more about Mormons or exMormons or people surrounded by Mormons? Shhhh... no more hints. I'm enjoying playing out the rope here.
Popular Post jkwilliams Posted August 21, 2015 Popular Post Posted August 21, 2015 So does this say more about Mormons or exMormons or people surrounded by Mormons? I don't think it tells us much about humans that we didn't already know. Seems a bit silly to try and score points against a church that explicitly prohibits that kind of behavior. 5
thesometimesaint Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 You might want to check who in Utah is using an affair site. I'm guessing there are a lot of faithful Latter-day Saints who didn't even know what Ashley Madison was until it hit the papers this week. Would it have been better for the Saints to avoid teaching marital fidelity so we didn't accidentally embarrass an adulterer among us? Using these revelations of adultery among citizens of Utah as a brickbat to criticize says more about the critic than it does the average citizen of Utah. The site itself isn't all that old. It was established in 2001 in Canada. No, but living the teachings is better than just moralizing about them. "Do as I say, not as I do" only goes so far. Private citizens deserve to be left private. Public figures not so much.
HappyJackWagon Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Here's an article that explains how the website works, the costs, etc.: http://relationships.answers.com/dating-websites/how-much-does-ashley-madison-really-cost Such a dispicable site. Sad, sad, sad. 2
rockpond Posted August 21, 2015 Author Posted August 21, 2015 What? That it went to hell when all the Califoricators moved in. Or perhaps that the LDS Church doesn't control all of its citizens like robots? Just what conclusions can you draw from the number of pay for adultry website members of any given state? I stated the conclusion in my OP, but I'll clarify: Utah has the eighth highest rate of paying users of the affair website among US states.
The Nehor Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Just what conclusions can you draw from the number of pay for adultry website members of any given state?You can learn the number of people who crave adultery but are pathetic and sad enough to search for affairs online.We can't even sin with any boldness anymore. Kind of sad. 1
Popular Post ERayR Posted August 21, 2015 Popular Post Posted August 21, 2015 It's not schadenfreude, just commenting on the scent of hypocrisy in the air. Did it say that the good Utah citizens who availed themselves of these services were LDS? Remember a sizable percent of Utah citizens are not LDS and that a percentage of those who are are not active so why would you necessarily think hypocrisy? Me thinks you are salivating much too prematurely. 6
KevinG Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 You seem to be painting Utah with a very wide brush in order to accuse them of hypocrisy. Way to go Utah! Outspoken protectors of the sanctity of marriage. You have the eighth highest rate of paid users on the (recently hacked) website Ashley Madison. (A site that helps married people find other married people to have affairs with.) Can you verify that the rate among faithful Latter-day Saints is higher or lower than the average population? Can you verify that those who are outspoken protectors of the sanctity of marriage (Mormons, Catholics, Protestants, Muslims...) are among those raising the rates so high? Is this a per capita number or an overall user number? (Using per capita numbers I can easily show Utah among the highest among those who fart in church). Is there any correlation between those advocating for a one man/one woman marriage definition and the Ashley Madison list? What exactly are you trying to say about advocates of one man/one woman marraige and rates of Ashley Madison users. You haven't made a very good connection yet. 4
rockpond Posted August 21, 2015 Author Posted August 21, 2015 I don't think it tells us much about humans that we didn't already know. Seems a bit silly to try and score points against a church that explicitly prohibits that kind of behavior. I bring it up because I am tired of Mormons who blame gays for "destroying marriage". I think we should be working on our own marriages rather than telling other loving couples that they shouldn't be allowed the privilege. Does this Ashley Madison info tell us a whole lot? No. But it is one data point. 4
thesometimesaint Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Did it say that the good Utah citizens who availed themselves of these services were LDS? Remember a sizable percent of Utah citizens are not LDS and that a percentage of those who are are not active so why would you necessarily think hypocrisy? Me thinks you are salivating much too prematurely. I doubt that the people who use that site are forthcoming about their religion.
rockpond Posted August 21, 2015 Author Posted August 21, 2015 You seem to be painting Utah with a very wide brush in order to accuse them of hypocrisy. I haven't accused them of hypocrisy.
The Nehor Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 I bring it up because I am tired of Mormons who blame gays for "destroying marriage". I think we should be working on our own marriages rather than telling other loving couples that they shouldn't be allowed the privilege. Does this Ashley Madison info tell us a whole lot? No. But it is one data point.I blame both for destroying marriage.
KevinG Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 I bring it up because I am tired of Mormons who blame gays for "destroying marriage". I think we should be working on our own marriages rather than telling other loving couples that they shouldn't be allowed the privilege. Does this Ashley Madison info tell us a whole lot? No. But it is one data point. What percentage of Mormons are saying gays are destroying marriage? You have drawn some very tenuous conclusions from very sparse data. Reminds me of this: The Myth of the High Christian Divorce Rate 3
Popular Post KevinG Posted August 21, 2015 Popular Post Posted August 21, 2015 It's not schadenfreude, just commenting on the scent of hypocrisy in the air. I haven't accused them of hypocrisy. Sure. 7
jkwilliams Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 I bring it up because I am tired of Mormons who blame gays for "destroying marriage". I think we should be working on our own marriages rather than telling other loving couples that they shouldn't be allowed the privilege. Does this Ashley Madison info tell us a whole lot? No. But it is one data point. I agree with that. I have no problem with exposing such hypocrisy as Josh Duggar's. If you're going to make a living accusing other people of destroying marriage, you ought to be called on the carpet if you're doing stuff like this. I don't know that it tells us a lot about Utah or Mormons, really. And I agree with HJW. It's a despicable and sad site. 4
Popular Post jbarm Posted August 21, 2015 Popular Post Posted August 21, 2015 I suspect one factor that is missing in this discussion is how tech savvy a state's population is versus other states. If a population is more tech savvy, then they will probably have people who are more comfortable using sites like this. The last ranking I looked at by the US Census Bureau ranked Utah #1 in Computer Use and High Speed Internet access by individuals. If proportionately more people have access to the internet, then more of them have the opportunity to use the site in question. This, along with Utah's burgeoning tech industry (not necessarily dominated by Mormons either) probably have a large influence on the rankings. All things being equal, Utah's prominence in this ranking is probably overstated. Of course this doesn't fit the narrative of those who like to attack Mormons or tribal Mormons who like to point out they are better than "Utah Mormons." 7
KevinG Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 I agree with that. I have no problem with exposing such hypocrisy as Josh Duggar's. If you're going to make a living accusing other people of destroying marriage, you ought to be called on the carpet if you're doing stuff like this. I don't know that it tells us a lot about Utah or Mormons, really. And I agree with HJW. It's a despicable and sad site. And the #1 lesson here is keep your family off of reality TV. 2
Kenngo1969 Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Welcome to the human race: Anyone who espouses a certain way of living, then fails to follow that way of living in one respect or another at one time or another is a hypocrite. That would include, um, all of us. 2
ALarson Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) I suspect one factor that is missing in this discussion is how tech savvy a state's population is versus other states. If a population is more tech savvy, then they will probably have people who are more comfortable using sites like this. The last ranking I looked at by the US Census Bureau ranked Utah #1 in Computer Use and High Speed Internet access by individuals. If proportionately more people have access to the internet, then more of them have the opportunity to use the site in question. This, along with Utah's burgeoning tech industry (not necessarily dominated by Mormons either) probably have a large influence on the rankings. All things being equal, Utah's prominence in this ranking is probably overstated. I'd agree with this if this site was free. But this ranking shows paid memberships. Wasn't Utah #1 for online porn site memberships too (or at least high on the rankings)? Maybe that's for the same reason you stated above? Edited August 21, 2015 by ALarson
rockpond Posted August 21, 2015 Author Posted August 21, 2015 What percentage of Mormons are saying gays are destroying marriage? You have drawn some very tenuous conclusions from very sparse data. Reminds me of this: The Myth of the High Christian Divorce Rate I've drawn one conclusion. The one that I stated in the OP that is factually supported with the data. The rest is discussion.
KevinG Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 I'd agree with this if this site was free. But this ranking shows paid memberships. Wasn't Utah #1 for online porn sites too (or at least high on the rankings)? Maybe that's for the same reason you stated above? If something is less culturally acceptable than it would make sense the bad behaviors would be driven underground. But then we have the choice of continuing to preach against it hoping people will adhere to those standards (risking underground behavior) or dropping those standards all together and saying screwitall to moral standards. 2
KevinG Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) I've drawn one conclusion. The one that I stated in the OP that is factually supported with the data. The rest is discussion. So we are discussing. Would you care to share what you think the data means? What did your "smell of hypocrisy" statement refer to if not the highly LDS represented Utah citizenry? (Some people use statistics like a drunk uses a lightpost - more for support than illumination). Edited August 21, 2015 by KevinG 3
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