Avatar4321 Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 Been preparing for the priesthood lesson on Sunday. There are a lot of good areas but the area that is fascinating is the discussion on the fullness of the priesthood."When our Heavenly Father placed Adam and Eve on this earth, He did so with the purpose in mind of teaching them how to regain His presence. Our Father promised a Savior to redeem them from their fallen condition. He gave to them the plan of salvation and told them to teach their children faith in Jesus Christ and repentance. Further, Adam and his posterity were commanded by God to be baptized, to receive the Holy Ghost, and to enter into the order of the Son of God.To enter into the order of the Son of God is the equivalent today of entering into the fullness of the Melchizedek Priesthood, which is only received in the house of the Lord."Is the fullness the sealing together of husband and wife? or the endowment? Or something more?
Tacenda Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 http://scottwoodward.org/holyorder_enteringinto.htmlRan across this per googling. A lesson from Ezra T. Benson should do the trick.
janderich Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 Yes the fullness of the priesthood is to be sealed up unto eternal life as husband and wife. Not simply in word but by the Holy Spirit of Promise. As Ezra Taft Benson points out this was in former times known as the blessings of the fathers. Abraham says, "I sought for the blessings of the fathers, and the right whereunto I should be ordained to administer the same; ...It was conferred upon me from the fathers; it came down from the fathers, from the beginning of time, ...I sought for mine appointment unto the Priesthood according to the appointment of God unto the fathers concerning the seed" (Abr 1:2,3,4). This gives further light to the words of Moroni to Joseph Smith when he said, "Behold I will reveal unto you the Priesthood, by the hand of Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. And he shall plant in the hearts of the children the promises made to the fathers, and the hearts of the children shall turn to their fathers" (D&C 2:1-2). Please note that Moroni connects the Priesthood with the fathers. And it is not "their fathers' but "the fathers".In other words, that line of holy men and women who also received the Patriarchal priesthood. From the very beginning of this dispensation it was intended that the saints receive the fullness of the priesthood and be sealed up unto eternal life, thus connecting back to the fathers. And so become the sons of Moses and of Aaron and part of the holy order.
ALarson Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 Joseph Smith and others referred to the 2nd anointing as the "fullness of the Priesthood". 1
CV75 Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 Been preparing for the priesthood lesson on Sunday. There are a lot of good areas but the area that is fascinating is the discussion on the fullness of the priesthood."When our Heavenly Father placed Adam and Eve on this earth, He did so with the purpose in mind of teaching them how to regain His presence. Our Father promised a Savior to redeem them from their fallen condition. He gave to them the plan of salvation and told them to teach their children faith in Jesus Christ and repentance. Further, Adam and his posterity were commanded by God to be baptized, to receive the Holy Ghost, and to enter into the order of the Son of God.To enter into the order of the Son of God is the equivalent today of entering into the fullness of the Melchizedek Priesthood, which is only received in the house of the Lord."Is the fullness the sealing together of husband and wife? or the endowment? Or something more?Since a "fulness" is the "order" and tehse are only received in the temple, then they are everything that was, is, and will be revealed through the temple ordinances; I suppose some has yet to be restored, but would certainly inlcude that order which is entailed in all the ordiannces we can receive today.
Bobbieaware Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) Been preparing for the priesthood lesson on Sunday. There are a lot of good areas but the area that is fascinating is the discussion on the fullness of the priesthood."When our Heavenly Father placed Adam and Eve on this earth, He did so with the purpose in mind of teaching them how to regain His presence. Our Father promised a Savior to redeem them from their fallen condition. He gave to them the plan of salvation and told them to teach their children faith in Jesus Christ and repentance. Further, Adam and his posterity were commanded by God to be baptized, to receive the Holy Ghost, and to enter into the order of the Son of God.To enter into the order of the Son of God is the equivalent today of entering into the fullness of the Melchizedek Priesthood, which is only received in the house of the Lord."Is the fullness the sealing together of husband and wife? or the endowment? Or something more?If there are priesthood ordinances performed the temples today that go beyond the familiar washings & anointings, endowment, and sealings, and if one has not yet received those additional ordinances, then he has not received the fullness of the ordinances of the priesthood. And if one has not received all the ordinances of the priesthood, then it stands to reason he has not yet received the fullness of all the priesthood has to offer. So, in a manner of speaking, if one has not received all the ordinances of the priesthood he has not received the fullness of the priesthood. The only way things might be otherwise is if those additional ordinances are not essential for one to receive the fullness of eternal glory, but that seems unlikely. Edited July 9, 2015 by Bobbieaware
ALarson Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) Avatar, if you haven't read Andrew F. Ehat's paper, "Joseph Smith's Introduction of Temple Ordinances and the 1844 Mormon Succession Question", it's excellent. Scroll down to Chapter IV that covers the fullness of the Priesthood (page 45): "EVEN THE FULLNESS OF THE PRIESTHOOD" Now that all but two of the members of the Quorum had been sealed in eternal marriage to their wives, the only blessings these Quorum members had not received were the ultimate blessings of the Gospel -- the ordinances that conferred the fullness of the priesthood. Joseph Smith would wait, however, until his wife would have a resurgence of faith (and would hope that William Law and William Marks would also increase in faith) before he and Emma would be the first to receive these ordinances. Confident that such would be the case, the Prophet, in a series of discourses in the summer of 1843, proceeded to give the most detailed explanations of the meaning of the fullness of the priesthood ordinances he had ever attempted in public. Judiciously mixing personal appeal with doctrinal teachings, he made an effort to teach both the Quorum and the Saints in general these concepts. At last on 28 September 1843, the time came when Joseph and Emma Smith were the first to receive of these blessings. Not only this, but the first five male initiates since the May 1842 organization of the Quorum were added to the group. This date, therefore, marked the beginning of a period of unprecedented expansion of Quorum membership. Now in terms of priesthood keys and acknowledged authority, the Restoration of the Church of Christ was complete. Whereas in January of 1841, a revelation said that there was then "not a place found on earth" where it could be restored, now in September 1843, in an upper room of Joseph Smith's new mansion, the ultimate powers and highest ordinances of the Gospel -- "even the fullness of the priesthood" (D&C 124:23) -- were first administered. If you continue to read, Joseph explains what it means to have the "fullness of the Priesthood". https://onewhoiswatching.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/ehat-succession.pdf Edited July 9, 2015 by ALarson
JLHPROF Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Joseph Smith and others referred to the 2nd anointing as the "fullness of the Priesthood". Yep. Being ordained a King and Priest/Queen and Priestess is the highest, therefore fullness, priesthood that can be received by men in this life.
mfbukowski Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Been preparing for the priesthood lesson on Sunday. There are a lot of good areas but the area that is fascinating is the discussion on the fullness of the priesthood."When our Heavenly Father placed Adam and Eve on this earth, He did so with the purpose in mind of teaching them how to regain His presence. Our Father promised a Savior to redeem them from their fallen condition. He gave to them the plan of salvation and told them to teach their children faith in Jesus Christ and repentance. Further, Adam and his posterity were commanded by God to be baptized, to receive the Holy Ghost, and to enter into the order of the Son of God.To enter into the order of the Son of God is the equivalent today of entering into the fullness of the Melchizedek Priesthood, which is only received in the house of the Lord."Is the fullness the sealing together of husband and wife? or the endowment? Or something more?Listen to the blessings and promises of the initiatories. It's all right there. No quesiton about it. Explicitly stated.
ALarson Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) Avatar, here's another great history and explanation of the "Fulness of the Priesthood" or 2nd Anointing. I read through it last night and it's excellent: https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V16N01_12.pdf"'The Fulness of the Priesthood': The Second Anointing in Latter-day Saint Theology and Practice" Edited July 10, 2015 by ALarson
mfbukowski Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) Been preparing for the priesthood lesson on Sunday. There are a lot of good areas but the area that is fascinating is the discussion on the fullness of the priesthood."When our Heavenly Father placed Adam and Eve on this earth, He did so with the purpose in mind of teaching them how to regain His presence. Our Father promised a Savior to redeem them from their fallen condition. He gave to them the plan of salvation and told them to teach their children faith in Jesus Christ and repentance. Further, Adam and his posterity were commanded by God to be baptized, to receive the Holy Ghost, and to enter into the order of the Son of God.To enter into the order of the Son of God is the equivalent today of entering into the fullness of the Melchizedek Priesthood, which is only received in the house of the Lord."Is the fullness the sealing together of husband and wife? or the endowment? Or something more?Listen to the blessings and promises of the initiatories. It's all right there. No quesiton about it. Explicitly stated. Someone mentioned the sealings. Yes I stand corrected. THAT is where it all is, after starting in initiatories. And know that women's initiatories are quite different. You gotta talk to your wife/other in the celestial room to figure that out. The fullness of the priesthood is not a problem for women. They have it when they receive the endowment. No references are possible, just talk to your wife, wives talk to your husbands after you have memorized it all. See why you need to attend the temple often and pay attention?? Edited July 11, 2015 by mfbukowski 2
mfbukowski Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 There is a reason the wives used to wash the feet of their husbands to prepare them for death. Put it all together. I am not going to say it.
Tacenda Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) There is a reason the wives used to wash the feet of their husbands to prepare them for death. Put it all together. I am not going to say it. Is it because the husband is going to become a God? ETA: Isn't that what is alluded to in Masonry, if we're being honest? (I'm learning more after my faith crisis than ever during my TBM days). I know that's not the usual for everyone. And I don't think I'm doing anything wrong in saying this. During a GD class my neighbor who was sub'ng for the regular teacher said it out loud, yes out..loud! Edited July 11, 2015 by Tacenda
mfbukowski Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Women do not need the Melchizadek Priesthood. Women who believe that should just do some initiatories until they hear what is said. 3
Stargazer Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 There is a reason the wives used to wash the feet of their husbands to prepare them for death. Put it all together. I am not going to say it. Is it because the husband is going to become a God? ETA: Isn't that what is alluded to in Masonry, if we're being honest? (I'm learning more after my faith crisis than ever during my TBM days). I know that's not the usual for everyone. And I don't think I'm doing anything wrong in saying this. During a GD class my neighbor who was sub'ng for the regular teacher said it out loud, yes out..loud! Heh. Who washed the feet of the Apostles at the Last Supper? There's more going on there than you think. In support of mbufkowski, when was the last time you did Initiatory at the temple? I think you need a refresher, T. 2
Tacenda Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Stargazer: Heh. Who washed the feet of the Apostles at the Last Supper? There's more going on there than you think.In support of mbufkowski, when was the last time you did Initiatory at the temple? I think you need a refresher, T. Edited July 12, 2015 by Tacenda
Stargazer Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 Add-on: So about the washing of the feet...so the wife is likened to the Savior washing the apostle, her husband's feet? I'm lost. Lost without a compass and a map? Yes, I've been there, too. The Savior washed the feet of His Apostles. It was an important priesthood ordinance. When Peter objected and said that Jesus would never wash his feet, the Lord replied that if He didn't wash Peter's feet, then he would have no part with Him. And Jesus also told him: "What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter." This was something that Peter would understand later because the Spirit would reveal it unto him. Mary, the sister of Martha and Lazarus also washed Jesus's feet and anointed them with spikenard. When Judas objected, Jesus said that she was anointing Him unto His death. Some has pointed to this as possible evidence that Mary was Jesus's wife. Or, at least, I think it is. Mary washes Jesus's feet? Jesus washes His Apostles feet? It's clear that this is a priesthood blessing, done in the context found in the New Testament. If a wife washes her husband's feet in preparation for death, then what does this say about the wife, ignoring the husband for a moment? Who performs the washing and anointing of the women in the initiatories? It surely isn't men. I'm trying to say something about the holding of the priesthood, and the limited exercise of it, in its own context. Do women hold the priesthood? Apparently implicitly. Don't quote me on that. But can a man inherit all that the Father hath all by himself? Can a woman? Nope. It requires them both, and this, I believe, is what the endowment and sealing ordinances are all pointing to. Lots of people don't get it. Hence OW. 2
Avatar4321 Posted July 12, 2015 Author Posted July 12, 2015 Been thinking thinking on the Order after the Son of God. The more I think about it in the context of the lesson the more I am impressed that the Order is Eternal Families.And if the order after the Son of God is the organization i to eternal families then implied is the Jesus Christ is married.
Tacenda Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Been thinking thinking on the Order after the Son of God. The more I think about it in the context of the lesson the more I am impressed that the Order is Eternal Families.And if the order after the Son of God is the organization i to eternal families then implied is the Jesus Christ is married.Yes, and Jesus is a God of His own world with the help of his father etc. Some even think he has more than one wife, so that brings polygamy in. And in the eternities there are going to be more righteous single sisters that need men who hold the MP that will enable them to go to the highest tier in the CK. All of this is just me guessing of course. But the stumbling block is in how men become Gods after the pattern that the Saviour did. Do they need to sacrifice their lives for their children? Or is it all individualistic? Edited July 12, 2015 by Tacenda
JLHPROF Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Been thinking thinking on the Order after the Son of God. The more I think about it in the context of the lesson the more I am impressed that the Order is Eternal Families.And if the order after the Son of God is the organization i to eternal families then implied is the Jesus Christ is married. The Order after the Son of God is another name for the priesthood of Melchizedek.And the highest offices on earth in that order are King and Priests and Queens and Priestesses, higher even than the apostleship. As Joseph Smith taught:"I want every man that goes to be a king and a priest. When he gets on the mountains, he may want to talk with his God;" As Brigham Young taught in 1843:"For any person to have the fullness of that priesthood, he must be a king and priest." As in Revelation 1:6 -And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.or Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; So yes, family is the highest order of priesthood in the eternities as taught in the temple, not the ecclesiastical offices that run the Church on earth. And yes, Christ was a polygamist, as are all Gods. Do we really think that there is a law of the gospel (even if currently revoked) that a mortal man has lived and received the blessings for that our God has not received the blessings for living? Kind of defeats the "to fullfill ALL righteousness" line. Edited July 12, 2015 by JLHPROF 1
Avatar4321 Posted July 12, 2015 Author Posted July 12, 2015 The first step to become a priest and a king is to first become a prophet. How is that obtained? And do we become a prophet when we get the first inkling of the Spirit of prophecy or does it take the more sure word of prophecy?
JLHPROF Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 The first step to become a priest and a king is to first become a prophet. How is that obtained? And do we become a prophet when we get the first inkling of the Spirit of prophecy or does it take the more sure word of prophecy? The testimony of Christ is the spirit of Prophecy. Prophet is not a priesthood office.
Avatar4321 Posted July 12, 2015 Author Posted July 12, 2015 I'm aware of that. I was asking when we can be considered a prophet
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