Duncan Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 see, this is what I don't understand. Someone doesn't know any of the gospel, having never been taught and they may have addictions or die from their addictions and certaintly everyone has attitudes. Then they die and surprise! you were under a test and all those desires, attitudes you had on earth are still with you. Can the dead repent somehow for all that? it wouldn't be just or fair if they couldn't repent
CCRW Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) Depends on when you are resurrected. If you are resurrected as a terrestrial being during the millennium then the answer is probably yes. Crumb, no coffee in the seventh heaven? ETA: I'm interested in why being resurrected during the millennium (at the end of right?) makes any difference? Edited April 11, 2015 by CCRW
JAHS Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 see, this is what I don't understand. Someone doesn't know any of the gospel, having never been taught and they may have addictions or die from their addictions and certaintly everyone has attitudes. Then they die and surprise! you were under a test and all those desires, attitudes you had on earth are still with you. Can the dead repent somehow for all that? it wouldn't be just or fair if they couldn't repentWell we know that those in spirit prison are able to somehow repent with regards to accepting the gospel making it possible to inherit he Celestial kingdom. Could be their desires for their previous addictions will no longer exist when they make the choice to follow Christ into Paradise.
CCRW Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 Well we know that those in spirit prison are able to somehow repent with regards to accepting the gospel making it possible to inherit he Celestial kingdom. Could be their desires for their previous addictions will no longer exist when they make the choice to follow Christ into Paradise.It was my understanding that "the period of this life" covered from the beginning of mortality until resurrection making this possible, but heck its been a long time and now trying to remember all the horses, horns, translation verses resurrection 1000 years of satan's rule etc. confuse me any more. Its like the other thread dealing with salvation, a mass of confusion.
VideoGameJunkie Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 I assume drug addicts and alcoholics will still crave their vice in the spirit world.
Duncan Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I assume drug addicts and alcoholics will still crave their vice in the spirit world. it isn't fair! I hope they can repent for that!
JAHS Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) Crumb, no coffee in the seventh heaven? ETA: I'm interested in why being resurrected during the millennium (at the end of right?) makes any difference?From wht I understand there are two main resurrections. The first one started when Jesus rose from the dead and a few other along with and after him and includes the resurrection of the righteous saints who will rise to meet him at the second coming (Celestial kingdom folks). The other good people of the earth that are to obtain a terrestrial glory will be resurrected later on during the millennium.The second main resurrection happens at the end of the millennium which are the "spirits of men who are to be judged and are found under condemnation; And these are the rest of the dead; and they live not again until the thousand years are ended, neither again, until the end of the earth" [D&C 88:100-01). These will inherit the telestial glory. They are "cast down to hell and suffer the wrath of Almighty God, until the fulness of times, when Christ shall have subdued all enemies under his feet, and shall have perfected his work;" [D&C 76:104-06]That's the big difference. Edited April 12, 2015 by JAHS
Alan Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 A spirit world (prison) where our appetites continue with us is exactly what non-member George Ritchie described in his book Return From Tomorrow.He described a situation which included disembodied spirits craving alcohol, tobacco, sexual perversions etc. This was their hell because, although they still had the appetites they could not indulge them no matter how hard they tried. And they tried.He also described a scene where angels would reach down to help these people. If they would only look up, and reach up, they could have been pulled free and access help and assistance in order to change.
Duncan Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 A spirit world (prison) where our appetites continue with us is exactly what non-member George Ritchie described in his book Return From Tomorrow.He described a situation which included disembodied spirits craving alcohol, tobacco, sexual perversions etc. This was their hell because, although they still had the appetites they could not indulge them no matter how hard they tried. And they tried.He also described a scene where angels would reach down to help these people. If they would only look up, and reach up, they could have been pulled free and access help and assistance in order to change. What do you think of the Rich fella and Lazarus in Luke 16?
Sleeper Cell Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I assume drug addicts and alcoholics will still crave their vice in the spirit world.But will there be video games in the spirit world?
The Nehor Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 But will there be video games in the spirit world? Unlikely, and the resurrected Gods play far more interesting games.
The Nehor Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 A spirit world (prison) where our appetites continue with us is exactly what non-member George Ritchie described in his book Return From Tomorrow.He described a situation which included disembodied spirits craving alcohol, tobacco, sexual perversions etc. This was their hell because, although they still had the appetites they could not indulge them no matter how hard they tried. And they tried.He also described a scene where angels would reach down to help these people. If they would only look up, and reach up, they could have been pulled free and access help and assistance in order to change. I have my doubts about this account.
Alan Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I have my doubts about this account. Of course you do Nehor.You probably haven't read it.
The Nehor Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Of course you do Nehor.You probably haven't read it.Nope, I am sad to say I wasted part of my life reading that story.
HappyJackWagon Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 see, this is what I don't understand. Someone doesn't know any of the gospel, having never been taught and they may have addictions or die from their addictions and certaintly everyone has attitudes. Then they die and surprise! you were under a test and all those desires, attitudes you had on earth are still with you. Can the dead repent somehow for all that? it wouldn't be just or fair if they couldn't repentConsidering that we will all die as sinners, the only variance is a matter of degree, it will be necessary for each of us to continue changing (repenting) even in the next life until we achieve exaltation. The principles of the gospel as explored in this thread are one of the reasons why I believe God must have a plan of happiness for his gay sons and daughters which stretches beyond an eternal abstinence and isolated aloneness. 1
gclayjr Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Yeah, There is something so powerful in the belief that people go beyond the grave, come back and can describe heave/Paradise, that these scams continue. I remember the great hype over a movie based upon the book "Heaven is Real". Anther scam http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2015/01/15/boy-who-came-back-from-heaven-going-back-to-publisher/ I certainly find such accounts interesting, but I would be skeptical of all. Retards, Geroge Clay
Tacenda Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) Yeah,There is something so powerful in the belief that people go beyond the grave, come back and can describe heave/Paradise, that these scams continue. I remember the great hype over a movie based upon the book "Heaven is Real". Anther scamhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2015/01/15/boy-who-came-back-from-heaven-going-back-to-publisher/I certainly find such accounts interesting, but I would be skeptical of all.Retards,Geroge ClayThe boy named Colton Burpo has not recanted his story portrayed in "Heaven is Real". Only Alex Malarkey in "The Boy Who Went to Heaven" did. Colton says the story is true. But maybe you weren't saying that.Last night I watched "God is Not Dead". I loved it, and it made me feel ashamed that I'm not a better missionary. There was one thing that bothered me though, and that was the teaching that if we don't profess a belief in God before we die, we're going to hell. That would be my dad, he started to quit belief after watching my mom suffer. I guess it happens to a lot of people when they see loved ones go through so much, especially if they are super good and faithful believers. And really smacked the Atheist out there. Pretty much saying they can't or won't bother being good without the rulebook from God. I don't believe that. That wasn't my dad. Or many others. Edited April 15, 2015 by Tacenda
rodheadlee Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 I'm addicted to cigarettes, I hate them and consider nicotine addiction to be an illness. It would be hell to be addicted for all eternity, I'm pretty sure my new body won't be addicted to nicotine. Will the lame walk? Will the blind see? Is my illness some special unforgivable, unfixable illness?
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