Wants2know Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 I was researching heavenly mother in response to something in another post and ran across essays written by Margaret Toscano. As I researched her further, I discovered that she was excommunicated for similar reasons as Kate Kelly. Though... without the heavy media attention. I'm not sure what to think of it all.... but it doesn't sit well. Here is the link: Www.pubs.org/Mormons/interviews/toscano
Wants2know Posted June 26, 2014 Author Posted June 26, 2014 Www.pbs.org/Mormons/interviews/Toscano.html THAT is the right link. AUTO CORRECT!
Tsuzuki Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Yeah, she's already famous. Though Lavina Fielding Anderson would probably be more similar to Kate Kelly, complete with the petition to appeal the excommunication. And Lavina Fielding Anderson continues to attend church after all these years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavina_Fielding_Anderson
BlueDreams Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Have you seen/heard of anything about Maxine Hanks, while you're at it? 1
watermelongirl Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Have you seen/heard of anything about Maxine Hanks, while you're at it? Maxine Hanks has been rebaptized and has made occasional appearances in the public eye. She was recently part of a FAIR panel about feminism and as I listened to it, I was struck by her awesome humility and spirit. She's still a feminist. If you want more about her: http://feministmormonhousewivespodcast.org/bonus-podcast-maxine-hanks-on-revisionist-history/ 4
thesometimesaint Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Six
rpn Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 There was plenty of media at the time. And Sister Toscano is involved at least behind scenes in OW: Sister Kelly calls her a mentor. 1
MorningStar Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Yes, Margaret Toscano's excommunication should have taught Kate Kelly that what she was doing would lead to the same for her. 1
Wants2know Posted June 26, 2014 Author Posted June 26, 2014 Are women excommunicated like this in the Catholic church?
BCSpace Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Yes, Margaret Toscano's excommunication should have taught Kate Kelly that what she was doing would lead to the same for her. Given her interview on MSNBC, I'd say excommunication is exactly what she wanted to advance the 'cause'.
thesometimesaint Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Are women excommunicated like this in the Catholic church? Don't know, but there was at least one where the consequences were very extreme.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Formosus
Storm Rider Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Are women excommunicated like this in the Catholic church? Yes, they are also disciplined in other ways. Some US nuns have run afoul of the Vatican because of their liberal tendencies.
Wants2know Posted June 26, 2014 Author Posted June 26, 2014 Given her interview on MSNBC, I'd say excommunication is exactly what she wanted to advance the 'cause'.Toscana or Kelly?
Wants2know Posted June 26, 2014 Author Posted June 26, 2014 My husband assigns talks... He said my next assignment will be Heavenly Mother. I told him I didn't think that was a good idea right now...Although I would love to do it!
Stone holm Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 My husband assigns talks... He said my next assignment will be Heavenly Mother. I told him I didn't think that was a good idea right now...Although I would love to do it!There is almost nothing that you could say without potentially skirting the edge. Some really interesting stuff out there, but to say it over the pulpit might be kind of dicey.
rongo Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Why does everyone comment on what a good member Lavina Fielding Anderson is? I know, she attends Church regularly, but why hasn't she been re-baptized after all these years? I think it's the same boat KK is in: re-baptism will require her to lose face with her group of admirers, and this will require a lot of humility and lack of pride. Putting myself in her shoes, it would be very embarrassing, and you (me, too) would have to be extremely humble to "toe the line" after worldwide fame and accolades. I don't know that this is the case for LFA, but why hasn't she been baptized yet? Does anyone know?
Stone holm Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Why does everyone comment on what a good member Lavina Fielding Anderson is? I know, she attends Church regularly, but why hasn't she been re-baptized after all these years? I think it's the same boat KK is in: re-baptism will require her to lose face with her group of admirers, and this will require a lot of humility and lack of pride. Putting myself in her shoes, it would be very embarrassing, and you (me, too) would have to be extremely humble to "toe the line" after worldwide fame and accolades. I don't know that this is the case for LFA, but why hasn't she been baptized yet? Does anyone know?Well the door back in for KK is pretty tightly closed unless she wants to violate her conscience and disavow a group with whom she agrees. This isn't like your normal excommunication over say sexual transgression where you confess your wrong doing, feel bad about it, etc. This is asking someone to go against their conscience. If she had been exed for just attacking the Church or something she said, but in essence here they have sort of branded the OW like say the KKK. 1
rongo Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 The Kate Kelly Klan? Sorry --- couldn't resist . . . 1
rongo Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 I know what you're saying, Stoneholm. For Kate Kelly and other high-profile apostates, they have to do what probably feels to them like making a hostage video to be rebaptized. I think they should "come around" and renounce their apostasy things, but I recognize how hard it would be for me, in their shoes. We are talking real humility and defeat of pride.
Analytics Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Why does everyone comment on what a good member Lavina Fielding Anderson is? I know, she attends Church regularly, but why hasn't she been re-baptized after all these years? I think it's the same boat KK is in: re-baptism will require her to lose face with her group of admirers, and this will require a lot of humility and lack of pride. Putting myself in her shoes, it would be very embarrassing, and you (me, too) would have to be extremely humble to "toe the line" after worldwide fame and accolades. I don't know that this is the case for LFA, but why hasn't she been baptized yet? Does anyone know? Being true to yourself can be a hard thing. Some call it pride. Others call it integrity. 2
Pahoran Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Being true to yourself can be a hard thing. Some call it pride. Others call it integrity. Yes, there are some who seem to invariably describe their pride and stubbornness as integrity. Regards, Pahoran 1
Tsuzuki Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Being true to yourself can be a hard thing. Some call it pride. Others call it integrity. Seems to depend a lot on if you're a man or a woman. 2
rongo Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 So, what is LFA still "being true to herself" about at the expense of rebaptism? That's what I was wondering.
Tsuzuki Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 So, what is LFA still "being true to herself" about at the expense of rebaptism? That's what I was wondering.In order to be rebaptized, she would have to confess to wrongdoing, and it seems she can't do that in good conscience. 1
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