USU78 Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 It has been proposed that the heavenly directions NSEW as employed in the BoM should not be understood from our perspective, as being precisely North, South, East and West according to a compass, but rather the whole should be tilted 45 degrees or so, which would make the Mesoamerican Model of Sorenson, et al., more workable according to the text. The proposal has taken hits, but it's not like such an idea comes from nowhere. The Norse "North" was actually our Northwest, &cetera according to Lauritz Weibull here: Weibull, Lauritz. De gamle nordbornas väderstrecksbegrepp. Scandia 1/1928; Ekblom, R. Alfred the Great as Geographer. Studia Neuphilologia. 14/1941-2; Ekblom, R. Den forntida nordiska orientering och Wulfstans resa till Truso. Förnvännen. 33/1938; Sköld, Tryggve. Isländska väderstreck. Scripta Islandica. Isländska sällskapets årsbok 16/1965.
cinepro Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 One thing about those Norse. They weren't nearly as good at cleaning up after themselves as the Nephites were.
Duncan Posted May 31, 2014 Posted May 31, 2014 (edited) One thing about those Norse. They weren't nearly as good at cleaning up after themselves as the Nephites were. if you are talking about L'Anse Aux Meadows, which is the only generally accepted Norse/New World contact point there were less than 200 Norse people living there and it doesn't get more remote than Northern New Found Land and Labrador let me tellya Edited May 31, 2014 by Duncan
mfbukowski Posted May 31, 2014 Posted May 31, 2014 It has been proposed that the heavenly directions NSEW as employed in the BoM should not be understood from our perspective, as being precisely North, South, East and West according to a compass, but rather the whole should be tilted 45 degrees or so, which would make the Mesoamerican Model of Sorenson, et al., more workable according to the text. The proposal has taken hits, but it's not like such an idea comes from nowhere. The Norse "North" was actually our Northwest, &cetera according to Lauritz Weibull here:How do you dig up this stuff??
Lachoneus Posted May 31, 2014 Posted May 31, 2014 (edited) One thing about those Norse. They weren't nearly as good at cleaning up after themselves as the Nephites were. If I thought you or anyone else had the least ability to correctly identify a Nephite artifact if you held one in your hand, I might find some truth in your comment. As it is, I find your comment as puerile as it is irrelevant to the OP. Edited May 31, 2014 by Lachoneus 2
bcuzbcuz Posted May 31, 2014 Posted May 31, 2014 It has been proposed that the heavenly directions NSEW as employed in the BoM should not be understood from our perspective, as being precisely North, South, East and West according to a compass, but rather the whole should be tilted 45 degrees or so, which would make the Mesoamerican Model of Sorenson, et al., more workable according to the text. The proposal has taken hits, but it's not like such an idea comes from nowhere. The Norse "North" was actually our Northwest, &cetera according to Lauritz Weibull here:Weibull published his original article in the late 1920's. He republished the same article in the magazine that he edited and gave out in the 1940's. You can read an article that points at a number of errors Weibull made, either by replacing the Swedish word "den",, the article "the", from Adam's work in Latin (which does not contain the word "the") and replaced it with the proper name of a place. Adam's work in latin has a number of subject-object agreement problems from imprecise writing. Weibull, in his article, does not mention this detail, but simply substitutes the place name that he think Adam meant.En studie kring nordbornas väderstrecksbegrepp – noteringar under arbetetAv Börje Sandén 2011-04-02. vers. 4; viss revidering 2011-08-15
Rob Osborn Posted May 31, 2014 Posted May 31, 2014 The problem with a meso-americam model in the BoM is that there are many areas in the land south where one would have to travel in a southern direction to get to the narrow neck which is supposed to be in a northerly direction. If you can get over this hurdle then you have to get around the fact that the narrow neck is not really a narrow neck. You really have to start inventing things to make it work.
cinepro Posted May 31, 2014 Posted May 31, 2014 (edited) If I thought you or anyone else had the least ability to correctly identify a Nephite artifact if you held one in your hand, I might find some truth in your comment. As it is, I find your comment as puerile as it is irrelevant to the OP. From what I can tell, it's almost impossible to incorrectly identify a "Nephite artifact", so I don't quite understand your indignation. But perhaps my comment would have made more sense if I had instead said "One thing about those Norse. They were much better at leaving identifiable artifacts than the Nephites were." Edited May 31, 2014 by cinepro
The Nehor Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 Came to this thread hoping to read about Viking raiders battling Nephites or something. Left disappointed.
strappinglad Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) What is North of the North Pole?Depends on which North Pole is being referred to. Oh ya, and what period of the ages.Nehor, the Vikings were the Nephites, remember Hagoth and the boys? TSS , serious question, Once you move into space, is there still a North? Edited June 1, 2014 by strappinglad
Rob Osborn Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 What is North of the North Pole? The "north countries" where the ten lost tribes live otherwise known as the inner earth.
thesometimesaint Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 Depends on which North Pole is being referred to. Oh ya, and what period of the ages.Nehor, the Vikings were the Nephites, remember Hagoth and the boys? TSS , serious question, Once you move into space, is there still a North? There is no directionality in space. That is only a convention for us to make sense of our position on earth.
Tiki Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 Obviously, during their 1,000 years of existence, the Nephites never figured this out...because they didn't have YouTube:How to find TRUE North without a Compass : using the Shadow Methodhttp://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WUSx0BHYTJ8But the Nephites knew of the planets and they that circled the sun long before Nicolaus Copernicus discovered it in the 1500s.So if you believe the Nephites knew true North, then you're a heretic and should be burned at the stake after your eyes are gouged out and you're disembowled. Just ask any LDS Apologist who promotes the Mesoamerica LGT Theory.
Tiki Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 It has been proposed that the heavenly directions NSEW as employed in the BoM should not be understood from our perspective, as being precisely North, South, East and West according to a compass, but rather the whole should be tilted 45 degrees or so, which would make the Mesoamerican Model of Sorenson, et al., more workable according to the text. The proposal has taken hits, but it's not like such an idea comes from nowhere. The Norse "North" was actually our Northwest, &cetera according to Lauritz Weibull here:I though the Nephites lived in Mesoamerica because it was too cold up North. Maybe the Norse arrived in Scandinavia after their Israelite ancestors (tribe of Ephraim) used a 45° compass. They were actually headed for Hawaii.
guerreiro9 Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 There is no directionality in space. That is only a convention for us to make sense of our position on earth.??????? Aren't you the guy claiming to be a scientist and extolling the virtues of scientific "fact" on several threads at the moment? Whatever your area of scientific expertise this is not it. I can think of 5 or 6 different coordinate systems used to define direction in space off the top of my head, and there are numerous others. Generally direction in space is defined relative to the stars, and has very little if anything to do with the Earth.-guerreiro9 1
thesometimesaint Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 ??????? Aren't you the guy claiming to be a scientist and extolling the virtues of scientific "fact" on several threads at the moment? Whatever your area of scientific expertise this is not it. I can think of 5 or 6 different coordinate systems used to define direction in space off the top of my head, and there are numerous others. Generally direction in space is defined relative to the stars, and has very little if anything to do with the Earth.-guerreiro http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/universal-alignment/
guerreiro9 Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/universal-alignment/I am not sure what you think the linked article is proposing, but it is in no way a rebuttal to my previous post. You might as well have linked to ESPN.com for all the relevance it had.-guerreiro9 2
ERayR Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 There is no directionality in space. That is only a convention for us to make sense of our position on earth. There has to be directionality it just isn't north, south, east or west.
ERayR Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 I though the Nephites lived in Mesoamerica because it was too cold up North. Maybe the Norse arrived in Scandinavia after their Israelite ancestors (tribe of Ephraim) used a 45° compass. They were actually headed for Hawaii. Either you didn't read for comprehension or you are being deliberately obtuse. 1
Tiki Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 Either you didn't read for comprehension or you are being deliberately obtuse.Read what? The LGT Theory? Or The Book of Mormon?Is it your comprehension the latter should be judged by the former thus we're all to believe the Nephite Nation consisted of idiots who didn't know true north because you comprehension of the narrow neck of land is the one in Central America running east-west?
rodheadlee Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 Read what? The LGT Theory? Or The Book of Mormon?Is it your comprehension the latter should be judged by the former thus we're all to believe the Nephite Nation consisted of idiots who didn't know true north because you comprehension of the narrow neck of land is the one in Central America running east-west?Have you ever been on Hwy 1 leaving Key West? You drive east for miles but the sign says US 1 North. See you have to go east to get to the land north. It's not all that complicated or mysterious. 1
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