Stone holm Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Could trying to restore Eden or building up Zion be a way for Mormonism to get a handle on environmentalism
Avatar4321 Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 A handle on environmentalism? Zion is going to be beautiful. So let's get to work.
Jazzdreamer Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 A handle on environmentalism?Zion is going to be beautiful. So let's get to work.I can't wait ^.^
BCSpace Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 (edited) Could trying to restore Eden or building up Zion be a way for Mormonism to get a handle on environmentalism Environmentalism as you typically hear of it is contrary to LDS doctrine. Sustainable/reusable resources is about the farthest one can go down that road if one wants to remain in harmony with the doctrine. Edited October 17, 2013 by BCSpace
Stone holm Posted October 17, 2013 Author Posted October 17, 2013 Environmentalism as you typically hear of it is contrary to LDS doctrine. Sustainable/reusable resources is about the farthest one can go down that road if one wants to remain in harmony with the doctrine.Really? No environmental stewardship?
Tacenda Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Really? No environmental stewardship?No need when the Second Coming is around the corner. But that is probably old belief hopefully. Not to get political, but most LDS are Rebublican and Environmental Causes are not at the top of their (Republicans) priority lists. Though my LDS MIL is a somewhat Enviromentalist, who burned all her garbage at one time, before recycling was the rage.
Stone holm Posted October 17, 2013 Author Posted October 17, 2013 No need when the Second Coming is around the corner. But that is probably old belief hopefully. Not to get political, but most LDS are Rebublican and Environmental Causes are not at the top of their (Republicans) priority lists. Though my LDS MIL is a somewhat Enviromentalist, who burned all her garbage at one time, before recycling was the rage. I get so annoyed when I see environmental stewardship stated as being unnecessary because God will render it unnecessary with the Millenium. This type of thinking has wound up travelling all the way to CEOs. Never understood why destroying God's Creation is something we should not be concerned with. 2
ERayR Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Could trying to restore Eden or building up Zion be a way for Mormonism to get a handle on environmentalism What do you mean "to get a handle on environmentalism"?
ERayR Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Environmentalism as popularly preached and practiced by governments is not about stewardship but rather in promoting what will enrich its proponents. 1
Damien the Leper Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 I know a couple who served in Adam-ondi-Ahman. It was a beautification mission. Does that count?
Stone holm Posted October 17, 2013 Author Posted October 17, 2013 Environmentalism as popularly preached and practiced by governments is not about stewardship but rather in promoting what will enrich its proponents. Really? I have not seen very many environmentalist out here who fall in the billionaire category and Vermont has one of the highest per capita environmentalists in the U.S. -- you have a specific enrichment program in mind?
Stone holm Posted October 17, 2013 Author Posted October 17, 2013 I know a couple who served in Adam-ondi-Ahman. It was a beautification mission. Does that count? Were they the ones who provided rocks for the tourists to collect?
ERayR Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 (edited) Really? I have not seen very many environmentalist out here who fall in the billionaire category and Vermont has one of the highest per capita environmentalists in the U.S. -- you have a specific enrichment program in mind?Start with Sierra Club, Green Peace, Earthwatch , National Resource Defense Council, and the list goes on. Nothing was said about billionaire category. That was your red herring. Edited October 17, 2013 by ERayR
BCSpace Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Environmentalism as you typically hear of it is contrary to LDS doctrine. Sustainable/reusable resources is about the farthest one can go down that road if one wants to remain in harmony with the doctrine.Really? No environmental stewardship? Not in the sense of not using resources or population control, no. Those who politicize this topic by putting political parties or LDS doctrine on the right or wrong side have been removed from the thread
Stone holm Posted October 17, 2013 Author Posted October 17, 2013 Not in the sense of not using resources or population control, no. Those who politicize this topic by putting political parties or LDS doctrine on the right or wrong side have been removed from the thread It seems to me there is room for LDS doctrine to evolve with respect to the environment and in my opinion there is probably plenty of comments by GAs from the era of the Prophet Joseph onward -- I wouldn't necessarily be as radical as saving rattlesnakes from execution like he did, but one can wonder I suspect about whether there aren't some eternal truths floating around in "deep ecology" -- and I don't consider this to necessarily be a partisan political issue or linked to population control. We belong to a religion which feels strongly about the virtues of frugality which is in alignment with much of modern environmental thought. 1
strappinglad Posted October 18, 2013 Posted October 18, 2013 How about the Church funding a rapid transit system through the Salt Lake Valley with a goal of cutting auto traffic by 50% within 20 years?
Bikeemikey Posted October 18, 2013 Posted October 18, 2013 How about the Church funding a rapid transit system through the Salt Lake Valley with a goal of cutting auto traffic by 50% within 20 years? Sounds like a great idea.
The Nehor Posted October 18, 2013 Posted October 18, 2013 Environmentalism as you typically hear of it is contrary to LDS doctrine. Sustainable/reusable resources is about the farthest one can go down that road if one wants to remain in harmony with the doctrine. Ummmm.....no.
Stone holm Posted October 18, 2013 Author Posted October 18, 2013 How about the Church funding a rapid transit system through the Salt Lake Valley with a goal of cutting auto traffic by 50% within 20 years?Well that would certainly help the air quality in that area, I was thinking more of getting 15 million people concerned about the contamination of the planet. I know the Church is trying to lead by example with the roof top Eco system and all, but the Church may be the exception to the rule that actions speak louder than words.
Avatar4321 Posted October 18, 2013 Posted October 18, 2013 I get so annoyed when I see environmental stewardship stated as being unnecessary because God will render it unnecessary with the Millenium. This type of thinking has wound up travelling all the way to CEOs. Never understood why destroying God's Creation is something we should not be concerned with. The Lord teaches us to be good stewards of the environment around us. But the environmental movement is a highly charged political movement that has questionable ties to actually protecting the environment. So what do you mean when you say get a handle on environmentalism? And you are right btw. God isn't going to render taking care of and beautifying the world unnecessary. The earth will be renewed and recieve her paradisical glory because the Lord will instruct us on how to renew and beautify it. 3
thesometimesaint Posted October 19, 2013 Posted October 19, 2013 Environmentalism as you typically hear of it is contrary to LDS doctrine. Sustainable/reusable resources is about the farthest one can go down that road if one wants to remain in harmony with the doctrine. Incorrect. We are to be wise stewards and husband this glorious planet that God has given us. 2
ERayR Posted October 19, 2013 Posted October 19, 2013 Incorrect. We are to be wise stewards and husband this glorious planet that God has given us. I think you missed BCSpace's qualifier. The qualifier "Environmentalism as you typically hear of it. . . " makes his statement true. Please note he did not say environmentalism was contrary to LDS doctrine but only "as you typically hear of it".
Stone holm Posted October 19, 2013 Author Posted October 19, 2013 I think you missed BCSpace's qualifier. The qualifier "Environmentalism as you typically hear of it. . . " makes his statement true. Please note he did not say environmentalism was contrary to LDS doctrine but only "as you typically hear of it".Hogwash. Unless you listen exclusively to a certain news channel. 1
ERayR Posted October 19, 2013 Posted October 19, 2013 Hogwash. Unless you listen exclusively to a certain news channel. I give BC credit for being an intelligent fellow and coming to his conclusions by evaluating the evidence. I also have given you that same consideration but the above statement indicates I may have been in error on the latter.
Stone holm Posted October 20, 2013 Author Posted October 20, 2013 There is a crowd which routinely accuses environmentalists of all types of misrepresentations. If you listen exclusively to this group I suspect that you would form a very biased view of what environmentalism involves. For the vast majority of people who consider themselves environmentalists, their approach is merely to advocate for sound stewardship. I have represented major mining companies with regards to environmental issues for many years. The idea that mining and commercial endeavors are necessarily adversarial with environmentalism is counterproductive and it is an attitude that many Saints need to get over. Its bad enough that Utah has some of the worst air quality in America, without someone suggesting that environmentalism is typically inconsistent with LDS doctrine.
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