Given The Earlier History Of The Church, Is There Any Obvious Reason That Everyone Should Have Known Better?

[inquiringmind]

DElete

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[The Nehor]

DElete

 

Giving you a rep point for this thread. Best read in quite a while.

 

Oh, and the answer is "false" or "3" if I understood the question correctly.

[Freedom]

They should have known better but, as Nehor explains, 3. Or false depending on what end of the stick you are looking at.

[Kenngo1969]

Personally, I say "4" and "Maybe."  (It's the would-be lawyer in me; cain't heppit! )

[ksfisher]

Personally, I say "4" and "Maybe."  (It's the would-be lawyer in me; cain't heppit! )

 

Are we talking about the famous "White Pony Prophecy" where Joseph told the saints that no "4" would maybe inherit the kingdom as long as he had anything to say about it.

[halconero]

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?!

[David T]

I'm pretty sure they're talking about the Kirtland Jell-o Factory disaster of 1835. You would have thought the Saints would have learned their lesson about placing their trust in the arm of Jell-O, but NO. 

[ksfisher]

I'm pretty sure they're talking about the Kirtland Jell-o Factory disaster of 1835. You would have thought the Saints would have learned their lesson about placing their trust in the arm of Jell-O, but NO. 

 

You've been reading too many anti-mormon tracts.  It's been proven that the Jell-o factory was being run by gentiles at the time of the disaster.  True, the Smith family did frequently visit the factory after they sold off their interest in the site, but that was only because Emma kept insisting that the green Jell-o wasn't as green as when she used to make it.

[David T]

You've been reading too many anti-mormon tracts.  It's been proven that the Jell-o factory was being run by gentiles at the time of the disaster.  True, the Smith family did frequently visit the factory after they sold off their interest in the site, but that was only because Emma kept insisting that the green Jell-o wasn't as green as when she used to make it.

 

Ah, yes, but what about Joseph's letter to the Rigdons? You know, the one stating that "Jell-O is the object and design of our existence; and will be the end thereof, if we pursue the path that leads to it; ... But we cannot enjoy all the flavors and combinations without first knowing them, and we cannot expect to know all, or more than we now know unless we partake of or make known those we have already received. That which is disgusting under one circumstance, may be, and often is, delicious under another."

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[Tacenda]

Ah, yes, but what about Joseph's letter to the Rigdons? You know, the one stating that "Jell-O is the object and design of our existence; and will be the end thereof, if we pursue the path that leads to it; ... But we cannot enjoy all the flavors and combinations without first knowing them, and we cannot expect to know all, or more than we now know unless we partake of or make known those we have already received. That which is disgusting under one circumstance, may be, and often is, delicious under another."

But where does that leave "funeral potatoes"?

[Freedom]

Isn't Jell-o a jaredite name?

[David T]

But where does that leave "funeral potatoes"?

 

That was an innovation by Brigham Young. Still haven't seen documentation that he ever claimed it was the result of an actual revelation.

[David T]

Isn't Jell-o a jaredite name?

 

It has been proposed that it is a version of Yahel'oah, due to a funny inscription someone claims to have found in a mound in Missouri somewhere. It may actually be Adamic.

[ksfisher]

Ah, yes, but what about Joseph's letter to the Rigdons? You know, the one stating that "Jell-O is the object and design of our existence; and will be the end thereof, if we pursue the path that leads to it; ... But we cannot enjoy all the flavors and combinations without first knowing them, and we cannot expect to know all, or more than we now know unless we partake of or make known those we have already received. That which is disgusting under one circumstance, may be, and often is, delicious under another."

 

Come on, you can do better than that.  Garfunfinkle refuted the claim in his 1994 study that Joseph was even in Kirtland when that letter was supposed to be written.  The fact that WW Phelps signature was crossed out at the bottom and Joseph's forged in it's place was just icing on the proverbial cake.

 

Joseph did write, with flowing elegance, about his love for a certain coffee cake that his mother used to make.  But, I believe that letter has been removed from all church materials because it contains a naughty word (coffee).  

[USU78]

Beige.

 

I'm going to paint the ceiling beige.

[ksfisher]

That was an innovation by Brigham Young. Still haven't seen documentation that he ever claimed it was the result of an actual revelation.

 

I'm going to have to CFR you on this one (Call For Recipe).

[David T]

Come on, you can do better than that.  Garfunfinkle refuted the claim in his 1994 study that Joseph was even in Kirtland when that letter was supposed to be written.  The fact that WW Phelps signature was crossed out at the bottom and Joseph's forged in it's place was just icing on the proverbial cake.

 

Like I have the works of Garfunfinkle just sitting around. Besides. He's an apologist hack.

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[David T]

I'm going to have to CFR you on this one (Call For Recipe).

 

Answered.

 

From the link, "The funeral potatoes are generally served with ham, rolls, salad, cake, and of course, Jell-O. I'm not sure how the tradition evolved, but funeral potatoes are definitely "comfort food."

 

In other words, they're trying to say, "Church records offer no clear insights into the origins of this tradition." But everyone knows it was BY that started it.

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[foster]

Where is Hoffman when we need some old documents about Jell-0 factories, Joseph Smith, and jelligamy*.

 

 

*jelligamy: the polygamous mixing of Jello with any other ingredient other than water e.g. jarrots; cottage cheese; ham.

[foster]

Answered.

 

From the link, "The funeral potatoes are generally served with ham, rolls, salad, cake, and of course, Jell-O. I'm not sure how the tradition evolved, but funeral potatoes are definitely "comfort food."

 

In other words, they're trying to say, "Church records offer no clear insights into the origins of this tradition." But everyone knows it was BY that started it.

 

[David T]

.Archival Photo from the Church History Library (BY Collection, Box 6489437-P.1.222.435)

 

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[Tacenda]

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The silence is killing me! 

[David T]

The silence is killing me! 

 

 I don't know what you're talking about.

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[rameumptom]

From my research on the Westward trek, funeral potatoes came about as an early miracle for the pioneers.  During one difficult spell for one of the companies traveling west, they had a large number of Saints pass away.  The weather had gotten bad, and the storms destroyed most of the food they carried with them.  So, here they were facing spending several days burying the dead, and being short on food already, without enough to make it all the way to the Salt Lake Valley.

 

A fast was ordered of all the members.  Incredibly, as the graves were being dug, mounds of red potatoes were found just inches under the prarie soil.  The women immediately began to prepare and cook the potatoes, as the graves were finished.  The dead were buried, and then a wake with a huge meal of the very first funeral potatoes.

 

In later years, the survivors of the camp would get together annually to remember their dead, and partake of funeral potatoes. Over time, peas and gravy were added to the recipe, and the traditional green jello with fruit was also added to the event in the early 1940s.

 

Since then, the ancestors of those pioneers have brought funeral potatoes to every funeral, eventually spreading throughout Mormon funerals throughout the SLC valley, and beyond.

[David T]

 Incredibly, as the graves were being dug, mounds of red potatoes were found just inches under the prarie soil. 

 

According to the version of this story I heard, this miracle of the potatoes was enhanced by the red potatoes appearing to have the exact shape as Joseph Smith's head (!!)