Duncan Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 I believe that in his justice and mercy [God] will give us the maximum reward for our acts, give us all that he can give, and in the reverse, I believe that he will impose upon us the minimum penalty which it is possible for him to impose. [CR, October 1953, 84]Pres. J. Reuben Clarksounds great to me but does it matter what we do in life then if God will give us as much as he can?
ksfisher Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 But he can't give us more than we can accept. If we can't live a celestial law, he can't give us a place in the celestial kingdom.
Lachoneus Posted August 12, 2013 Posted August 12, 2013 . . . does it matter what we do in life then if God will give us as much as he can?Our actions limit what God can give us.
Robert F. Smith Posted August 13, 2013 Posted August 13, 2013 Our actions limit what God can give us.Yes, and that is because we are coeternal with him and have real decision-making power (free agency). He does what he can, as with any good parent, but the rest is up to us. It matters. 1
CV75 Posted August 13, 2013 Posted August 13, 2013 I believe that in his justice and mercy [God] will give us the maximum reward for our acts, give us all that he can give, and in the reverse, I believe that he will impose upon us the minimum penalty which it is possible for him to impose. [CR, October 1953, 84]Pres. J. Reuben Clarksounds great to me but does it matter what we do in life then if God will give us as much as he can?I think so, because He has nothing to lose and we have everything to gain. Now He can't (because He is perfectly law-abiding and merciful) give us everything if we don't do our part. And that is all I have to say about grace and works!
TOmNossor Posted August 13, 2013 Posted August 13, 2013 I believe that in his justice and mercy [God] will give us the maximum reward for our acts, give us all that he can give, and in the reverse, I believe that he will impose upon us the minimum penalty which it is possible for him to impose. [CR, October 1953, 84]Pres. J. Reuben Clarksounds great to me but does it matter what we do in life then if God will give us as much as he can?From Elder Oaks parable in “The Challenge to Become” from 2000 General Conference:“That which I have I can easily give you, but that which I am you must obtain for yourself.”http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2000/10/the-challenge-to-become?lang=engWith Brother Brad Wilcox, I believe on “judgment day” Christ will plead with us. He will ask us to rid ourselves of any unrighteousness and trust in Him completely so that we may dwell with Him and God the Father through eternity. Some of us will say, “No, get me out of here.” No amount of loving invitation from our Savior will change our informed desire (we will know what this choice means better then than we do now) to escape from such a place as Heaven with our Father. A lesser kingdom will fit some of us just fine and we will know it.“We shall not be found spotless; … and in this awful state we shall not dare to look up to our God” (Alma 12:14).From Elder Oaks, “From such teachings we conclude that the Final Judgment is not just an evaluation of a sum total of good and evil acts—what we have done. It is an acknowledgment of the final effect of our acts and thoughts—what we have become.”So, I think President Clark’s statement is exactly correct. God will offer as much as He can and lessen the discomfort as much as He can, but who we are on that day will impact what we receive.Charity, TOm 1
theplains Posted August 14, 2013 Posted August 14, 2013 God will offer as much as He can and lessen the discomfort as much as He can, but who we are on that day will impact what we receive.Charity, TOmThere will be great misery for those who die in a wicked state. This topic is covered more indepth in Teachings of Presidents of the Church - Joseph Smith (chapter 18, p. 244). I'll quotethe section. I think the same can be said of those who will suffer endless misery because theywill never live with God in heaven (because they failed to obey his commands).The torment of the wicked is to know they have come short of the glory they might have enjoyed.“God has decreed that all who will not obey His voice shall not escape the damnation of hell. What is the damnation of hell? To go with that society who have not obeyed His commands. . . .I know that all men will be damned if they do not come in the way which He hath opened, and this is the way marked out by the word of the Lord.”“The great misery of departed spirits in the world of spirits, where they go after death, is to know that they come short of the glory that others enjoy and that they might have enjoyed themselves, and they are their own accusers.”“There is no pain so awful as that of suspense. This is the punishment of the wicked; their doubt, anxiety and suspense cause weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth.”“A man is his own tormentor and his own condemner. Hence the saying, They shall go into the lake that burns with fire and brimstone [see Revelation 21:8]. The torment of disappointment in the mind of man is as exquisite as a lake burning with fire and brimstone. I say, so is the torment of man. . . .“. . . Some shall rise to the everlasting burnings of God, for God dwells in everlasting burnings, and some shall rise to the damnation of their own filthiness, which is as exquisite a torment as the lake of fire and brimstone".Regards,Jim
Calm Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 There will be great misery for those who die in a wicked state. This topic is covered more indepth in Teachings of Presidents of the Church - Joseph Smith (chapter 18, p. 244).Why don't you tell us what you believe rather than spending so much time telling us what we believe...since most of us here know already the basics you are repeating, after all.
Vanguard Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 I believe that in his justice and mercy [God] will give us the maximum reward for our acts, give us all that he can give, and in the reverse, I believe that he will impose upon us the minimum penalty which it is possible for him to impose. [CR, October 1953, 84]Pres. J. Reuben Clarksounds great to me but does it matter what we do in life then if God will give us as much as he can?Absolutely it matters what we do as gauged by what each of us are individually capable of doing. Is anyone here prepared to comment authoritatively on another's capabilities?
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