ERayR Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 okay i'll tell you the story. This lady and her two kid lives on the edge of our ward boundaries, no one lives near her. She needs a ride to Church and that has been on ongoing thing to find rides and stuff for her and for the ward to help. So, the missionaries in the YSA ward found a less active guy who was in YSA but is too old now to attend there so he was reffered to our elders in our ward, without realizing he doesn't live in our ward boundaries but lives across the street. He has a car, has room to take him and her and is willing to come every sunday now he he was getting back into church, problem solved right? well, when everyone pretty much on the ward council was like what a blessing this find is one of the Bishopric counselor said 'not going to happen' apparently he needs to have 1st pres. approval to attend our ward and to hold a calling. So, the Bishop and the counselor told him this and now he has to attend hs ward which is literally a 45 min drive from where he lives, so his attendance is spotty, it's about 30 min to our ward and so we are back to trying to find rides for this lady and she does as well. I just shake my head sometimesSounds like administering is overshadowing ministering. 1
ERayR Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 A former member in my ward who is now requiring hospice, wants to still attend our ward. She would most likely only come to Sacrament but our bishop advised her to attend her current ward. She and her husband have a past with the ward that required a lot of service hours to them so they have incredible bonds with us. I was her VT and when I was in the RS Presidency, we helped her husband and her with a lot of things. The RS president bearing the most of that service. She would do things that were far surpassing what her calling would normally be. She is a saint, but back to the story, our ward compassionate leader has called several of us to still help this couple out. I have been able to sit with her while her husband goes shopping or to his dr. appointments. And while with her she complains about her current ward. She longs to be with our ward again. I don't think she'll live very much longer and she still is able to get around enough to attend Sacrament, so I think she should go to my ward's Sacrament meeting if it'll give her peace, and I tell her she should, but she is trying to listen to the one in authority. It baffles me how in her situation an exception can't be made.Bring her to the ward that offers her the most solice.
Duncan Posted July 12, 2013 Author Posted July 12, 2013 Sounds like administering is overshadowing ministering.seriously! seriously , seriously!!!!!! ward council meetings in our ward, despite all the training and even a General Authority visit who zeroed in on these issues, is just painful, utterly painful.
ERayR Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) seriously! seriously , seriously!!!!!! ward council meetings in our ward, despite all the training and even a General Authority visit who zeroed in on these issues, is just painful, utterly painful.That is what happens when someone is afraid to make a mistake. Instead of one mistake they end up making a bunch of them. God gave us a brain and agency and expects us to use both. Edited July 12, 2013 by ERayR 1
Tacenda Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Bring her to the ward that offers her the most solice.Her husband could bring her also. But they were advised to attend their own wards meetings. They live just up the road in an apartment. They had to sell their home, she had been in some care centers and she does have some issues. They couldn't handle her case so she is now home with her husband again. She requires a lot and has problems stemmed from her attempted suicide years ago, when she drove off a cliff. I love this lady so much. She has suffered from a problem handed down. She has suicide in her family, in fact her own daughter took her life last year and had a family and son on a mission! This is the saddest story ever! So her issues run deep. Maybe there is an underlining reason that the bishop has asked this, so I probably shouldn't judge.
ksfisher Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) Ksfisher seems to be the one most confident that it exists, hopefully he will check back in the thread and tell us why.Hadn't looked at the thread for a while.I got this from a member of my stake presidency while discussing a family in my ward. The father had been offended and started attending a ward in a different stake. The stake presidency said that first presidency approval would be needed before/if the families records were to be moved. The policy was put in place after the latest handbooks were printed.I believe that the policy was put in place to teach us that we need to solve problems rather than running away from them. There are some circumstances where another ward might be the best option for someone, but that should be the last option when all others have been tried. If we are really doing all those things that Alma teaches us about in Mosiah 18 and the Savior teaches in the Sermon on the Mount we can come up with solutions for most problems. Edited July 12, 2013 by ksfisher
Calm Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 In our area the Bishops involved and the Stake President work it out. My husband said same for our stake and he says it has been that way everywhere that we have been that he knew of anything going on.
Calm Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 I believe that the policy was put in place to teach us that we need to solve problems rather than running away from them. Even so, it seems strange that it just couldn't be emphasized to the SPs that exceptions should be rare. I suspect it is to take the pressure off of them, but it can come across as if they don't trust SPs to make good decisions or to withstand pressure from those who want to change ward for less than crucial reasons.It would seem then there should be a letter announcing it or something, though it doesn't appear that many got the message from the response I am getting elsewhere.
Duncan Posted July 12, 2013 Author Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) That is what happens when someone is afraid to make a mistake. Instead of one mistake they end up making a bunch of them. God gave us a brain and agency and expects us to use both.I love everything you say!!!! you should move here and have my calling! Edited July 12, 2013 by Duncan
Calm Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 So one person said they needed to get FP approval sometime between 2003 and 2008 and that it was in the previous handbook even if it isn't now.
ksfisher Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Even so, it seems strange that it just couldn't be emphasized to the SPs that exceptions should be rare. I suspect it is to take the pressure off of them, but it can come across as if they don't trust SPs to make good decisions or to withstand pressure from those who want to change ward for less than crucial reasons.It would seem then there should be a letter announcing it or something, though it doesn't appear that many got the message from the response I am getting elsewhere.It could be taken as not trusting the stake president. But, as you say, it also takes the stake president out of a situation where he could be looked upon as "the bad guy." That would then allow local leadership to focus on ministering and healing rather than deciding who can attend which ward and since so and so was allowed to change wards I should be allowed to also because...
Duncan Posted July 12, 2013 Author Posted July 12, 2013 It could be taken as not trusting the stake president. But, as you say, it also takes the stake president out of a situation where he could be looked upon as "the bad guy." That would then allow local leadership to focus on ministering and healing rather than deciding who can attend which ward and since so and so was allowed to change wards I should be allowed to also because...so, the current one it isn't there? but it used to be?
Calm Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 so, the current one it isn't there? but it used to be?I looked in the index of handbook 2 and couldn't find anything about ward boundaries besides activities and a friend looked in handbook 1 and said he didn't see it there. But it looks like it was in it before 2010, one could check if one wanted to make use of an anti site or some other that carries the former handbook 1 on it...but today I don't feel like exploring such. 1
Duncan Posted July 12, 2013 Author Posted July 12, 2013 I looked in the index of handbook 2 and couldn't find anything about ward boundaries besides activities and a friend looked in handbook 1 and said he didn't see it there. But it looks like it was in it before 2010, one could check if one wanted to make use of an anti site or some other that carries the former handbook 1 on it...but today I don't feel like exploring such.hmmmm, most interesting!
rpn Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 If I recall correctly, this was a Utah regional thing, not church wide. But I am amazed that it would be used as was reported earlier, to prevent someone from being available to transport the lady who couldn't otherwise get there. 1
ERayR Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) I love everything you say!!!! you should move here and have my calling!Why should I deprive you of your growth experiences? I am not greedy. They would probably give me your Bishop's calling and I would do much worse than he at it. Edited July 12, 2013 by ERayR
Duncan Posted July 12, 2013 Author Posted July 12, 2013 Why should I deprive you of your growth experiences? I am not greedy. They would probably give me your Bishop's calling and I would do much worse than he at it.um...well...he needs to grow too I guess!
Calm Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 If I recall correctly, this was a Utah regional thing, not church wide. But I am amazed that it would be used as was reported earlier, to prevent someone from being available to transport the lady who couldn't otherwise get there.If it was in the handbook, it was more than a Utah regional thing. The handbook applies to the entire church.
ERMD Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Permission of the stake president. I cannot find a reference in either handbook or in letters from the First Presidency that states otherwise. 1
Calm Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Permission of the stake president. I cannot find a reference in either handbook or in letters from the First Presidency that states otherwise.I was hoping you would show up.My husband reminded me that with the handbooks online now, updates can be added to the text as they are made so if it's not in the current handbook, it's not a policy. 2
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