See If This Validates With The Holy Spirit

[blackstrap]

We could simply start with anything at all that anyone thinks is the slightest degree of hateful or hurtful, that would seem to be a good start.

The politically correct crowd have been pushing this agenda for years.Eventually we all could stop speaking and writing and even thinking so as to not make anyone uncomfortable for any reason. Sounds alot like Satan's plan to me, that is if it is done through the force of law and govt. Even God Himself is said to " rebuke" the wicked. Think that makes them uncomfortable?

[peteolcott]

The politically correct crowd have been pushing this agenda for years.Eventually we all could stop speaking and writing and even thinking so as to not make anyone uncomfortable for any reason. Sounds alot like Satan's plan to me, that is if it is done through the force of law and govt. Even God Himself is said to " rebuke" the wicked. Think that makes them uncomfortable?

Galatians 5:14 NRSV http://bible.cc/galatians/5-14.htm

For the whole law is summed up in a single commandment, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

If Love is the whole law, then then only thing breaking this law is Love's opposite. This equates wickedness (that need be rebuked) with hatefulness, and nothing besides hatefulness is wickedness. It seems to me that this is God's own understanding, at least that is what he seems to be telling me.

Edited November 28, 2012 by peteolcott

[CV75]

I get the feeling that God wants to start with utterly eliminating all hatred and animosity in the world.

Yet He started with choice.

[CV75]

We could simply start with anything at all that anyone thinks is the slightest degree of hateful or hurtful, that would seem to be a good start.

Some believe that LDS building temples is hateful (only qualified members can enter) or hurtful (the money could be spent on the poor). Yet others believe that temples permit the fullest expression of God’s atonement and love in this world. Which view is unjust?

What, from a divine, love-centric view is an example of things that are "not the slightest degree of hateful of self or others" but are unjustly considered to be wrong by the unjust?

[peteolcott]

Yet He started with choice.

Hence the need for a unifying doctrine:

http://bible.cc/ephesians/1-10.htm

Ephesians 1:10 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Edited November 28, 2012 by peteolcott

[CV75]

Hence the need for a unifying doctrine:

http://bible.cc/ephesians/1-10.htm

Ephesians 1:10 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

The Holy Ghost will not contradict the Lord by placing the one principle over the other: “And unto thy brethren have I said, and also given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father… (Moses 7:33).”

Loving one another and not choosing the Father is not preferred over choosing the Father and not loving one another. Love is not be the singular unifying principle at the expense of choice, and likewise choice is not the singular unifying principle at the expense of love. Ultimately, love and choice are the outgrowth of one principle, agency, and agency in turn is an outgrowth of Christ's atonement.

So the commandment to love one another applies to you and everyone that you come into contact with, just as choosing God applies to you and everyone that you come into contact with.

So I would sugest that the best unifying principle to explore with the Holy Ghost's validation is the principle of Christ's atonement, which will require love and obedience to accomplish.

[peteolcott]

The Holy Ghost will not contradict the Lord by placing the one principle over the other: “And unto thy brethren have I said, and also given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father… (Moses 7:33).”

Loving one another and not choosing the Father is not preferred over choosing the Father and not loving one another. Love is not be the singular unifying principle at the expense of choice, and likewise choice is not the singular unifying principle at the expense of love. Ultimately, love and choice are the outgrowth of one principle, agency, and agency in turn is an outgrowth of Christ's atonement.

So the commandment to love one another applies to you and everyone that you come into contact with, just as choosing God applies to you and everyone that you come into contact with.

So I would sugest that the best unifying principle to explore with the Holy Ghost's validation is the principle of Christ's atonement, which will require love and obedience to accomplish.

Yes, well it seems that is not quite what he is telling me, and he has been giving me this same message since 1991.

Scripture that I have already quoted seems to directly confirm this view.

Galatians 5:14 NRSV http://bible.cc/galatians/5-14.htm

For the whole law is summed up in a single commandment, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

If the whole law is summed up this way, then the only kinds of things that break this law are those things that are the opposite of love.

Edited November 28, 2012 by peteolcott

[CV75]

Yes, well it seems that is not quite what he is telling me, and he has been giving me this same message since 1991.

Scripture that I have already quoted seems to directly confirm this view.

Galatians 5:14 NRSV http://bible.cc/galatians/5-14.htm

For the whole law is summed up in a single commandment, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

If the whole law is summed up this way, then the only kinds of things that break this law are those things that are the opposite of love.

While I agree that the Spirit will confirm, under proper understanding, the truthfulness of the scripture you cited, in the OP you prioritize this commandment/doctrine over others. In reply to my post on why it is not correct to do that, you assert that this all-inclusive commandment/doctrine sums up all the others anyway.

Are you saying that "summing up" means it replaces all other divine instruction?

Are you saying that loving your neighbor takes higher priority than Christ’s atonement, or that Christ’s atonement is to be summed up solely in loving our neighbor without regard to any other divine instruction such as doctrines, covenants, ordinances, priesthood keys, etc.?

[peteolcott]

While I agree that the Spirit will confirm, under proper understanding, the truthfulness of the scripture you cited, in the OP you prioritize this commandment/doctrine over others. In reply to my post on why it is not correct to do that, you assert that this all-inclusive commandment/doctrine sums up all the others anyway.

Are you saying that "summing up" means it replaces all other divine instruction?

Are you saying that loving your neighbor takes higher priority than Christ’s atonement, or that Christ’s atonement is to be summed up solely in loving our neighbor without regard to any other divine instruction such as doctrines, covenants, ordinances, priesthood keys, etc.?

I am saying that it is the singular criterion measure of moral right and wrong.

The only things that are morally wrong are those things that are to some degree hateful of self or others.

Chronic alcoholism is unkind to self, thus in violation. Condemnation of any behavior that is not the slightest degree of hateful of self or others would be a violation. A slightly angry tone of voice would be a violation. Smoking cigarettes would be a violation because of the adverse effects on health. Reproving the at least slightly hateful behavior of others would not itself be hateful if done in the gentlest possible effective way.

It seems that God has continued to confirm these things very many times since 1991. It seems that this is the most important thing that God has ever told me. It seems to me that God wants everyone on the same page with these things. It seems to me that getting everyone on the same page with these things is the next step in God's master plan, and the beginning of Heaven on Earth.

Edited November 29, 2012 by peteolcott

[Nathair/|\]

That lawyer guy with the initials of AC. I call him a lawyer guy based on the title of the book you quoted from.

Now, internet brownies if you can figure out why I cited the Great Beast in this thread, juxtaposing it with your OP.

[CV75]

I am saying that it is the singular criterion measure of moral right and wrong.

The only things that are morally wrong are those things that are to some degree hateful of self or others.

Chronic alcoholism is unkind to self, thus in violation. Condemnation of any behavior that is not the slightest degree of hateful of self or others would be a violation. A slightly angry tone of voice would be a violation. Smoking cigarettes would be a violation because of the adverse effects on health. Reproving the at least slightly hateful behavior of others would not itself be hateful if done in the gentlest possible effective way.

It seems that God has continued to confirm these things very many times since 1991. It seems that this is the most important thing that God has ever told me. It seems to me that God wants everyone on the same page with these things. It seems to me that getting everyone on the same page with these things is the next step in God's master plan, and the beginning of Heaven on Earth.

You are saying: “The commandment to Love One Another is to take much higher priority than any other commandment or doctrine, and applies to everyone that you come into contact with,” and that the Holy Ghost confirmed this to you.

In conveying this idea to others, you have tried to back this up scripturally and have appealed to the Holy Ghost to verify it.

Where the commandment sums up the law doesn’t mean it takes much higher priority over all others. It is only a summary; a very nice one, but a summary nonetheless. As a summary, the other commandments contribute to it, and skipping any of them will cause one to miss the mark. We can’t go directly from being fallen beings to loving one another as God does in an instant without ultimately passing through the other commandments, which include ordinances.

I wouldn't discourage you from holding to any truth you have garnered, but at the same time my advice would be to keep an open mind.

[peteolcott]

You are saying: “The commandment to Love One Another is to take much higher priority than any other commandment or doctrine, and applies to everyone that you come into contact with,” and that the Holy Ghost confirmed this to you.

In conveying this idea to others, you have tried to back this up scripturally and have appealed to the Holy Ghost to verify it.

Where the commandment sums up the law doesn’t mean it takes much higher priority over all others. It is only a summary; a very nice one, but a summary nonetheless. As a summary, the other commandments contribute to it, and skipping any of them will cause one to miss the mark. We can’t go directly from being fallen beings to loving one another as God does in an instant without ultimately passing through the other commandments, which include ordinances.

I wouldn't discourage you from holding to any truth you have garnered, but at the same time my advice would be to keep an open mind.

http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=177937885

If A + B are the greatest commandments, and A + B are summed up as B, therefore B is the greatest commandment.

[peteolcott]

Now, internet brownies if you can figure out why I cited the Great Beast in this thread, juxtaposing it with your OP.

Are you saying that Satan is a good guy?

http://bible.cc/revelation/13-18.htm

(There is no such thing as internet brownies).

[Nathair/|\]

Are you saying that Satan is a good guy?

http://bible.cc/revelation/13-18.htm

(There is no such thing as internet brownies).

Try again. I already mentioned I think Alistair Crowley is a bad guy and I've not referenced Satan once since I first saw your name on this board. And I will make you internet brownies, or haggis if you prefer when you get it right.

[blackstrap]

Personal revelation on any topic is PERSONAL and for individual benefit. There is only one person on the earth that is charged with the ability to speak for the Lord, all in the Church , or the world for that matter. I doubt anyone on this board is that person.

Edited December 3, 2012 by blackstrap

[peteolcott]

Personal revelation on any topic is PERSONAL and for individual benefit. There is only one person on the earth that is charged with the ability to speak for the Lord, all in the Church , or the world for that matter. I doubt anyone on this board is that person.

I think that this may be an exception to that rule.

It seems to me that my message is directly from God and intended for the entire world.

[peteolcott]

Try again. I already mentioned I think Alistair Crowley is a bad guy and I've not referenced Satan once since I first saw your name on this board. And I will make you internet brownies, or haggis if you prefer when you get it right.

I can only think of malevolent reasons.

[Nathair/|\]

I can only think of malevolent reasons.

Then you have my deepest sympathy. My purpose was to demonstrate that devoting one's life to just one sentence without examining context, etc. is logically flawed.

[volgadon]

I think that this may be an exception to that rule.

It seems to me that my message is directly from God and intended for the entire world.

That was your mantra on the other board.

[The Nehor]

I think that this may be an exception to that rule.

It seems to me that my message is directly from God and intended for the entire world.

Good luck with that. Why did you come here of all places to spread this revelation? Go forth to the real world and spread this glorious new/rehashed message.

Personal Question: Why do so many self-proclaimed bearers of unoriginal new revelation seem to think that message boards are a good place to spread the message?

[Calm]

I think that this may be an exception to that rule.

It seems to me that my message is directly from God and intended for the entire world.

Does this appear to anyone else to be in conflict with peteolcott's belief that only a select few can comprehend God?

[peteolcott]

Then you have my deepest sympathy. My purpose was to demonstrate that devoting one's life to just one sentence without examining context, etc. is logically flawed.

You failed at this.

If the bible also included the single sentence on its own that said:

God does not exist. How would this single sentence be effected by context?

Edited December 3, 2012 by peteolcott

[CV75]

http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=177937885

If A + B are the greatest commandments, and A + B are summed up as B, therefore B is the greatest commandment.

What you are saying leaves out the prophets:

Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (Matthew 22:36-40)

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (Galatians 5:14)

The prophets cannot be excluded from the formula (what you propose only recognizes the law); the prophets (their keys) also hang on the two commandments, together. This is a Gospel of reconciliation and unity.

We are talking about law and prophets, and of the first and second commandments -- four interacting components.

[volgadon]

You failed at this.

If the bible also included the single sentence on its own that said:

God does not exist. How would this single sentence be effected by context?

Depends on the context.

[Calm]

You failed at this.

Not in my opinion.