David T Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Although I have my shiny copy of Mormon's Codex sitting on my shelf, and read the first two chapters, I'm now going back to read Ancient American Setting. I had only read the first three chapters of it before. I'm going over this first, and quite enjoying it. I'm curious to see what is different, additional, revised, etc. I think it will be helpful in crafting my ultimate review of Mormon's Codex. 2
cursor Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) Sounds like a solid plan. I'm looking forward to your review, DavidT ... and will no doubt share it with my father, provided you supply me with a link to the body of text. Edited September 16, 2013 by cursor
David T Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) It looks nice with its fellows Edited September 16, 2013 by David T 2
cursor Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 PS to cursor: I am grateful and happy you could not stay away as planned, sorry if this means your life is more difficult though. I was actually just kidding around when I posted this. There are times when I get frustrated at the back-and-forth here (which is sometimes downright ridiculous) ... but hey, that's what keeps life interesting. Right? Y'all understand "that there is an opposition in all things" 'n such. [ 2NE 2:11 ]. Sorry for the lightheartedness, Jacob. 2
cursor Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Awesome, DavidT ... but where are 1992 – The Geography of Book of Mormon Events: A Source Book1996 – Pre-Columbian Contact With the Americas Across the Oceans: An Annotated Bibliography, vols 1 & 21997 – Nephite Culture and Society1997 – Mormon Culture1997 – Images of Ancient America: Visualizing Book of Mormon Life1998 – Rediscovering the Book of Mormon: Insights You Might Have Missed Before2000 – Mormon's Map2004 – World Trade and Biological Exchanges Before 1492
David T Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Awesome, DavidT ... but where are 1992 – The Geography of Book of Mormon Events: A Source Book1996 – Pre-Columbian Contact With the Americas Across the Oceans: An Annotated Bibliography, vols 1 & 21997 – Nephite Culture and Society1997 – Mormon Culture1997 – Images of Ancient America: Visualizing Book of Mormon Life1998 – Rediscovering the Book of Mormon: Insights You Might Have Missed Before2000 – Mormon's Map2004 – World Trade and Biological Exchanges Before 1492 My birthday's in November. I'll send you my address if you'd like 3
cursor Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 I have two copies of Mormon's Map. I'd be more than happy to share one copy with you. Are you in Utah? For all others, I have only one copy of each.
canard78 Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 There is also his FairMormon presentation (though technically he gave it when we were still FAIR) that gave a much shorter version of what is in the book: Why/when did FAIR rebrand as FairMormon? PS to cursor: I am grateful and happy you could not stay away as planned, sorry if this means your life is more difficult though. MDDB is a stimulant I've tried to give up at least 3 times. 1
cursor Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 MDDB is a stimulant I've tried to give up at least 3 times. Damn ... only three times?! 1
cursor Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 My birthday's in November. I'll send you my address if you'd like So is mine ... on the 14th. When's yours?
cursor Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 MDDB is a stimulant I've tried to give up at least 3 times. And at times a depressant ... unfortunately. 1
David T Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 So is mine ... on the 14th. When's yours? 16!
nealr Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Although I have my shiny copy of Mormon's Codex sitting on my shelf, and read the first two chapters, I'm now going back to read Ancient American Setting. I had only read the first three chapters of it before. I'm going over this first, and quite enjoying it. I'm curious to see what is different, additional, revised, etc. I think it will be helpful in crafting my ultimate review of Mormon's Codex. I've been tempted to do the same, but it would add too much to an already long read. I do think that reading An Ancient American Setting for the Book of Mormon first is a good idea, as that is where he more fully establishes his geographic region, thus justifying the major cultural and historical correlations he makes in Mormon's Codex. Of course, there is some overlap, and I too wonder about the differences. But I'll have to take time to make comparisons later. With school, I just don't have time to read both right now.
nealr Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Thanks nealr! I was wondering about the differences. I haven't read Allen's interpretation, but it sounds like Sorenson's research is more sound. Again, looking forward to reading The Mormon Codex! :-) None of this is too say that a tour with the Allen's would be a waste of money. I'm sure it would still be a cool experience, and though I would personally not place much stock in their identifications of specific Book of Mormon sites (that don't correlate with Sorenson's), I suspect it would still meaningfully add to a person's understanding and visualization of Book of Mormon life.
nealr Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Thanks for giving us the Table of Contents! I've got the book on my Christmas wish list (if my wife doesn't get it for me I'll probably order it early next year). I'm reading through "Mormon's Map" (online) right now and am thinking about buying "An Ancient American Setting" before reading Mormon's Codex. Though I assume that Mormon's Codex can be fully read/understood/appreciated by the new reader without reference to John L. Sorensen's prior works? Mormon's Codex can be read on it's own, yes. (At least, that is my impression thus far.) But from what I have read (and I'll admit that I haven't reached chapter 7 yet), Sorenson tends to only summarize previous arguments here. For example, chapter 2 simply summarizes Mormon's Map. If you was the full explanation of the way Sorenson's arranged Book of Mormon lands, you need to read Mormon's Map. (Which you are already doing, excellent!) Then, it is in An Ancient American Setting for the Book of Mormon that Sorenson takes his map and correlates it to Mesoamerica. I suspect chapter 7 of MoCx will summarize this, but if you want the full explanation, you'll need to read AAS. To me, Sorenson's works build on each other in interesting ways, though you have to read them out-of-publishing-order to get that progression (as I explain in the blog post cursor linked to). Of course, they can all be read independently and those only causally interested can certainly get away with only reading one. (Preferably the latest, though it might depend on what they are specifically interested in.) So you don't have to read AAS to understand MoCx, but if you are interested in fully understanding why Sorenson uses the geography he does, or studying Book of Mormon geography yourself, then you probably should. 2
cursor Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 I agree with nealr's evaluation above. My dad studiously initiated this process nearly 60 years ago ... probably about the time that I was born. The intensity of his focus and its consequential depth of research has finally lead to this culminating work that is Mormon's Codex: An Ancient American Book. 2
Scott Lloyd Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) Why/when did FAIR rebrand as FairMormon? The new brand was announced in connection with the foundation's most recent conference, the one held in August. Here's a link to my story. I got it a bit wrong, though. The new name is FairMormon, not "FAIR Mormon," as I wrote it in the story. Not to make excuses for myself (but I will anyway), it hardly makes sense to me to use lower-case letters in Fair, when FAIR (at least originally) is an acronym for Foundation for Apolgetic Information and Research. But hey, my degree is in journalism, not marketing. Edited September 16, 2013 by Scott Lloyd 3
cursor Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) Given the fact that your birth year number is larger than mine MUST mean that you're older than I. Whew.Actually (and in all seriousness), you're younger than my youngest child. In fact, you're not much older than my grandson! Damn, I feel old (all of a sudden). edited to change "you're older than my youngest child" to "you're younger". Edited September 17, 2013 by cursor 3
erdoch Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 I suspect that you're reading Mormon's Map at this link. If so, note that none of the 17 are published there. Crazy, eh? You can purchase a "used – like new" copy at Amazon here for $5.75. The flow of graphic development through the book is significantly helpful. You're right, I wish they'd put the maps up there too! And I saw the Amazon.com used book price but decided to read for free... though the maps would be helpful...
Calm Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 It looks nice with its fellows I want to have your bookshelves if this is a taste of them....
Calm Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Why/when did FAIR rebrand as FairMormon? Last conference (August), though it is taking time to work through the changes needed to the website.
Calm Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 I got it a bit wrong, though. The new name is FairMormon, not "FAIR Mormon," as I wrote it in the story. Not to make excuses for myself (but I will anyway), it hardly makes sense to me to use lower-case letters in Fair, when FAIR (at least originally) is an acronym for Foundation for Apolgetic Information and Research. It is a struggle to change over to writing it that way as I still think of it with the old title...it 'makes sense' to me as well, but if it works better at getting out to those who need the info, so be it.
MormonMason Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 I want to have your bookshelves if this is a taste of them....Out of the books in the picture, I only have the first two at home. The rest I still need to get. Then, I need to make some space for them because all my walls are full from floor to ceiling. Of course, it all does me no good because I am away from them all anyway... I miss being home with them. 2
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