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canard78 Grand Master

canard78

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JLS forwarded to me an email from Deseret Book indicating that Mormon's Codex is #9 on their list of current best sellers. :)

 

JLS emailed you? Impressive ;)

 

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nealr Community Regular

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Me too. Have you marked the book already? You could probably get a refund if not and then rebuy with the ebook

 

Huh. That is an idea. I actually called them and told them that I felt like I should get the eBook since I paid the same price. They offered me the eBook for $4.99. I think they will actually give you that deal for any book that you have already bought as a hardcopy, so it wasn't much of a "deal", except that $4.99 sounds a lot better than $29.99. Rather push it, I decided I could fork over 5 bucks. 

 

I've browsed the eBook a bit and it looks pretty good. the strange thing is that the maps don't show up in the Web reader, but do on my Google Nexus. 

cursor Mentor

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I can verify that the ebook version doesn't offer hyperlinks for any of the following sections (using Deseret Bookshelf for Web, PC) :

List of Maps

List of Tables

List of Figures

 

I've offered DB a mention of these, plus a couple more errors. Since the ebook is a digital version, corrections could be made in short order.

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morgan.deane Community Regular

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They are now selling the hard-copy/ebook combo for the same of the regular price of the hardcopy:

 

http://deseretbook.com/Mormons-Codex-John-L-Sorenson/i/k219627

 

Grrr..... I feel ripped off! 

Reminds me of when they sell your favorite game and all of the expansion packs for the price that you paid for just one of them. For games you at least have several years of playing with it before you feel like you overpaid. 

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cursor Mentor

cursor

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I know exactly what you mean, Morgan. Just last year I bought "Laman's Revenge." After buying the squel, "Amalekiah's Strategy," then the dozen add-on packs (including "Mormon's Map"), now they're basically giving the whole series for an absolutely ridiculous price! Dude! 

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canard78 Grand Master

canard78

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Quick question cursor.

P.38, states the Mulekites composed a majority of the populace under Nephite. It cites Mosiah 25:12 as a source.

But this verse doesn't say what is asserted above. Have I missed something. Or is it a typo for the reference?

Chapter 25 is clearly a useful source for referencing Zarahemla living, but I wanted to check this specific reference.

webbles Grand Master

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Quick question cursor.

P.38, states the Mulekites composed a majority of the populace under Nephite. It cites Mosiah 25:12 as a source.

But this verse doesn't say what is asserted above. Have I missed something. Or is it a typo for the reference?

Chapter 25 is clearly a useful source for referencing Zarahemla living, but I wanted to check this specific reference.

 

The verse should probably say 25:2:

Now there were not so many of the children of Nephi, or so many of those who were descendants of Nephi, as there were of the people of Zarahemla, who was a descendant of Mulek, and those who came with him into the wilderness.

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We have no primary records from the Lamanites or Mulekites (both groups were probably nonliterate for the most part), and consequently the characterization of those peoples in Mormon’s record depends on rare, brief statements about them by Nephite historians. The Mulekites are so little spoken of, although they composed a majority of the populace under the Nephite rulers (Mosiah 25:12), that we must suppose they constituted a peasantry who were ignored by the (Nephite) elite levels of society from which the historians came. It is plausible that much of the dissent arising in Nephite society stemmed from such Mulekite quarters.
 

webbles offers one possible clarification. 

 

I think the author is making the point that literacy rules (and those who rule retain that right for their offspring). I'd be willing to bet that the scripture reference in question should have been the following verse (Mosiah 25:13), pointing to the fact that Nephi's lineage assumed rule of the combined groups at Zarahemla

 

And now all the people of Zarahemla were numbered with the Nephites, and this because the kingdom had been conferred upon none but those who were descendants of Nephi. 

 

canard78 Grand Master

canard78

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Dad says that verse 2 is the proper reference. Way to go webbles! :)

 

Thanks - it's a real privilege to have such access to the team behind the book.

 

I've read the Book of Mormon countless times and love it. And yet in reading Chapter 3, the cultural history, I've realised how rich the historical/cultural subtext of the whole narrative is. I'd never noticed how much the Mulekites become a sub-culture. Given the loss of their language in just a few generations I wonder how much of the mulekites were really left other than oral tradition.

 

I'd also never noticed that sub-king Lamoni only had a house while top-king Lamoni's Dad has a palace. All this and I've not even got into the intent of the book - to show the convergences.

 

Tell your Dad that I'm thoroughly enjoying it.

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canard78 Grand Master

canard78

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I've just given my copy to my mum for her birthday (she was ecstatic - it was on her christmas list).

 

What's the best offer on the book right now? I want to get another copy for myself (I'm only on chapter 3) but didn't want to shell out another $60+shipping if I can help it.

 

morgan.deane Community Regular

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I've done another blog post on Mormon's Codex, this time of the chapter of geography:

 

http://www.studioetquoquefide.com/2013/09/welcome-to-american-jerusalem-i-hope.html

Probably one of the coolest insights from Sorenson's geography had to do with the land of Gideon and Melek. They are on the east and west of Zarahemla respectively, but they are never mentioned as being threatened when the Lamanites make attacks on the west or the east.  Sorenson made the connection that its because those cities/lands were in the same Chiapas river valley as Zarahemla, while the cities like Ammonihah, Noah, and Mulek were not. I have read the BoM probably dozens of times now, and I have never made that connection. But I think it is a very good insight.  http://youtu.be/sMm7-qMCSzc?t=17s

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nealr Community Regular

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I've just given my copy to my mum for her birthday (she was ecstatic - it was on her christmas list).

 

What's the best offer on the book right now? I want to get another copy for myself (I'm only on chapter 3) but didn't want to shell out another $60+shipping if I can help it.

 

If you are willing to just have the eBook, and not a hardcopy, you could probably get the digital version for $4.99 if you just call and tell them you already bought the hardcopy. (That is what I did.) Then you don't have to wait for the shipping either.

 

Deseret Book is currently selling the hardcopy for a slight discount, $54.99. But, you could just fork over the another 60 bucks and get the book/eBook combo. Then, while you are waiting for the hardcopy to come in the mail, you could be reading the digital version.

 

http://deseretbook.com/Mormons-Codex-John-L-Sorenson/i/k219627

 

The FairMormon bookstore knocks about $10 off that price, but they are also back-ordered right now, so you might be weighting awhile, and no eBook come with it:

 

http://bookstore.fairlds.org/product.php?id_product=1516

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nealr Community Regular

nealr

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Probably one of the coolest insights from Sorenson's geography had to do with the land of Gideon and Melek. They are on the east and west of Zarahemla respectively, but they are never mentioned as being threatened when the Lamanites make attacks on the west or the east.  Sorenson made the connection that its because those cities/lands were in the same Chiapas river valley as Zarahemla, while the cities like Ammonihah, Noah, and Mulek were not. I have read the BoM probably dozens of times now, and I have never made that connection. But I think it is a very good insight.  http://youtu.be/sMm7-qMCSzc?t=17s

 

That is what I love about doing studying the geography. It can give those "Ah-ha" moments where suddenly something in the text that was confusing before makes a lot of sense. Brant Gardner's Interpreter Blog post talks about the same thing. 

 

 

The value of any geography should be its productivity for explaining the Book of Mormon, not for proving it—not for proving our faith in it. Geography is productive when the geography itself explains the events of the text. Geography is productive with an examination of the known history and culture of the peoples living in that area during Book of Mormon times elucidates why people acted in the ways that they did.  (http://www.mormoninterpreter.com/why-should-we-be-concerned-with-book-of-mormon-geography/)

 

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canard78 Grand Master

canard78

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If you are willing to just have the eBook, and not a hardcopy, you could probably get the digital version for $4.99 if you just call and tell them you already bought the hardcopy. (That is what I did.) Then you don't have to wait for the shipping either.

 

Deseret Book is currently selling the hardcopy for a slight discount, $54.99. But, you could just fork over the another 60 bucks and get the book/eBook combo. Then, while you are waiting for the hardcopy to come in the mail, you could be reading the digital version.

 

http://deseretbook.com/Mormons-Codex-John-L-Sorenson/i/k219627

 

The FairMormon bookstore knocks about $10 off that price, but they are also back-ordered right now, so you might be weighting awhile, and no eBook come with it:

 

http://bookstore.fairlds.org/product.php?id_product=1516

 

 

Thanks... but then I'd have to buy an ebook reader... which would be more expensive than just buying the book! Can the ebook be read on a laptop?

canard78 Grand Master

canard78

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Deseret Book does have a web reader:

 

http://deseretbook.com/bookshelf

 

Excellent, thanks - for about £3 it seemed a good deal. I just had to call them and give my order number for the hard-cover.

 

And I'm sure I'll eventually get around to buying one of those new-fangled technology ereader things so it will be nice to have a book ready to read on it.

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