cinepro Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 Funny. I was (am) really into the idea of rituals and symbols growing up and I was disappointed that there wasn't much, much more when I first went. Remarkable how people have such different perspectives, don't you think?I'm guessing you went through after 1990? 1
KevinG Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 I'm guessing you went through after 1990?You mean when they changed some symbolism more appropriate for an agrarian society and updated it to more accurately convey the meaning of the ceremony to a contemporary audience? I saw both and agree with Cals understanding. But I was an artistic guy used to lots of symbolism. 1
mfbukowski Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 But I was an artistic guy used to lots of symbolism.This may be precisely the difference here, and the post of the year, as unassuming as it is. It is becoming more and more clear to me that these issues have more to do with personality differences and how one sees the world than they have to do with arguments.I also have a g
volgadon Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) I also have a gA gorrilla, a grenade, a Georgian chalk circle? Edited July 21, 2012 by volgadon 2
Sleeper Cell Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 I wonder how long it takes for my activity on this forum to be reported to my Bishop. When I was on lds.net it took all of about five minutes. Was suppose to go to Temple in August, guess I will have to wait another year. Perhaps one of the other posters on this board is your bishop. A possibility we all should consider the next time we are tempted to personally attack an anonymous poster.
Somebodyz Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 Perhaps one of the other posters on this board is your bishop. A possibility we all should consider the next time we are tempted to personally attack an anonymous poster.So posters who aren't anonymous are fair game?
Sleeper Cell Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 So posters who aren't anonymous are fair game? Unless, of course, it turns out that they are somebody special. 1
tyler90az Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 Perhaps one of the other posters on this board is your bishop. A possibility we all should consider the next time we are tempted to personally attack an anonymous poster.I am shaking in my Temple shoes now...not...Just for the record, I did not attack any poster...
selek1 Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 A gorrilla, a grenade, a Georgian chalk circle?Sounds like a neat party game- how do you play?
mfbukowski Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) A gorrilla, a grenade, a Georgian chalk circle?Lol!Life intruded and I got distracted and the post got sent before it was done. I was going to say that I had a good background in art history and perhaps that is also symptomatic of my tendency to see reality in terms of art and created symbols Edited July 21, 2012 by mfbukowski
Calm Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 My mother is an artist and had a library full of books of symbols and myths (Jung, Campbell). 1
volgadon Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) Sounds like a neat party game- how do you play?Come up with randomn words, but you must throw in a Berthold Brecht reference, obviously. Edited July 21, 2012 by volgadon 1
mfbukowski Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 My mother is an artist and had a library full of books of symbols and myths (Jung, Campbell).AHA! I suspected you were one of THOSE people!
ERMD Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 I typically spend about an hour with each person who will be going to receive his/her own endowment. We talk about garments, clothing, rooms, covenants, etc., all within the bounds of what may be appropriately discussed. I also assign Moses 1-6 to provide a backdrop for what will be seen. I emphasize that it is not important to remember anything except how to care for the garment and the new name given; rather, remember the experience and how he/she feels. The things that need to be remembered will all come with time. 4
mfbukowski Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 I typically spend about an hour with each person who will be going to receive his/her own endowment. We talk about garments, clothing, rooms, covenants, etc., all within the bounds of what may be appropriately discussed. I also assign Moses 1-6 to provide a backdrop for what will be seen. I emphasize that it is not important to remember anything except how to care for the garment and the new name given; rather, remember the experience and how he/she feels. The things that need to be remembered will all come with time.That is the same advice we give in the temple to those who are about to receive their own endowments. You hit the nail on the head!
mfbukowski Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 Come up with randomn words, but you must throw in a Berthold Brecht reference, obviously.Sounds lak some dang furriner to me. 1
Cobalt-70 Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) I typically spend about an hour with each person who will be going to receive his/her own endowment. We talk about garments, clothing, rooms, covenants, etc., all within the bounds of what may be appropriately discussed. I also assign Moses 1-6 to provide a backdrop for what will be seen. I emphasize that it is not important to remember anything except how to care for the garment and the new name given; rather, remember the experience and how he/she feels. The things that need to be remembered will all come with time.I think, first of all, that everyone ought to at least see a picture of somebody dressed up in their full temple clothes before they go to the temple for the first time. That was the most jarring thing in my experience. I had honestly thought that people just wore normal, white clothing in the temple. The temple clothing is no secret. We routinely bury people in this clothing. (Why, I'm not quite sure--it seems like if you had just been resurrected, the first thing you would do is take off your rotted clothing and put on something fresh. Besides, I don't think anybody of significance ever saw an angel wearing this clothing. Moroni, for example, was naked except for an open robe. Apparently, in heaven they don't have the same hang-ups as we do regarding modesty.)Also, I think everybody ought to know the full text of every covenant they are going to be making in the temple. The few seconds between hearing the covenant and the time when you have to bow your head and say yes is not enough time to make a meaningful and thoughtful commitment. Why don't we just publish this in a church manual? Edited July 24, 2012 by Cobalt-70 2
JeremyOrbe-Smith Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 I think, first of all, that everyone ought to at least see a picture of somebody dressed up in their full temple clothes before they go to the temple for the first time. That was the most jarring thing in my experience. I had honestly thought that people just wore normal, white clothing in the temple. The temple clothing is no secret. We routinely bury people in this clothing. (Why, I'm not quite sure--it seems like if you had just been resurrected, the first thing you would do is take off your rotted clothing and put on something fresh. Besides, I don't think anybody of significance ever saw an angel wearing this clothing. Moroni, for example, was naked except for an open robe. Apparently, in heaven they don't have the same hang-ups as we do regarding modesty.)Also, I think everybody ought to know the full text of every covenant they are going to be making in the temple. The few seconds between hearing the covenant and the time when you have to bow your head and say yes is not enough time to make a meaningful and thoughtful commitment.Amen and amen. Why don't we just publish this in a church manual?Or even stick whatever script is current into the back of the Pearl of Great Price or something. (With the caveat, of course, that it is merely the current version, and that occasional changes are made as time passes.)
ERMD Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 I think, first of all, that everyone ought to at least see a picture of somebody dressed up in their full temple clothes before they go to the temple for the first time. That was the most jarring thing in my experience. I had honestly thought that people just wore normal, white clothing in the temple. The temple clothing is no secret. We routinely bury people in this clothing. (Why, I'm not quite sure--it seems like if you had just been resurrected, the first thing you would do is take off your rotted clothing and put on something fresh. Besides, I don't think anybody of significance ever saw an angel wearing this clothing. Moroni, for example, was naked except for an open robe. Apparently, in heaven they don't have the same hang-ups as we do regarding modesty.)Also, I think everybody ought to know the full text of every covenant they are going to be making in the temple. The few seconds between hearing the covenant and the time when you have to bow your head and say yes is not enough time to make a meaningful and thoughtful commitment. Why don't we just publish this in a church manual?I emphasize that the robes/other regalia are not meant to be fashionable, but rather symbolic, and some articles have very specific meanings. We speak in detail about the covenants. I don't find their explanation in the endowment that difficult to follow. 1
LifeOnaPlate Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 I am a fan of better temple prep classes. I think we could avoid some of the bad experiences (however few they may be) for first-time attenders by being a bit more specific in our instruction. And we could even employ the scriptures in very easy ways to do it, IMO. 4
volgadon Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 I am a fan of better temple prep classes. I think we could avoid some of the bad experiences (however few they may be) for first-time attenders by being a bit more specific in our instruction. And we could even employ the scriptures in very easy ways to do it, IMO.I agree. There is actually no need to print our covenants in the PoGP. They are mostly found already among the pages of the standard works. 1
Ticketyboo Posted July 25, 2012 Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) I take a similar approach to ERMD by emphasising the importance of the covenants that are being made. I also stress that garments are not magical, but they act as a reminder of the covenants we have made, as well as the blessings that can be accrued through the faithful observance of those covenants.I wasn't sure how to post pictures, but if I've done it correctly there are two attached that we labelled, " If Carlsberg did Temple prep lessons...."I'm editing to add that both of these lads have since been through the Preston Temple for the first time & both had very uplifting experiences.Also I'm not sponsoring Domino's or their injudicious use in Temple Prep lessons . Edited July 25, 2012 by Ticketyboo
Duncan Posted July 25, 2012 Posted July 25, 2012 I take a similar approach to ERMD by emphasising the importance of the covenants that are being made. I also stress that garments are not magical, but they act as a reminder of the covenants we have made, as well as the blessings that can be accrued through the faithful observance of those covenants.I wasn't sure how to post pictures, but if I've done it correctly there are two attached that we labelled, " If Carlsberg did Temple prep lessons...."I'm editing to add that both of these lads have since been through the Preston Temple for the first time & both had very uplifting experiences.Also I'm not sponsoring Domino's or their injudicious use in Temple Prep lessons .Now, that is my kind of a meeting!!! awesome that they had great experiences at the Temple!
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