Danna Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 ....or why they cannot see that the emporess Danna has no cloths. Thanks, -Wade Englund-I prefer to call myself "Empress Danna", thankyou,Now what's this talk of a good spanking... or am I on the wrong board...
LifeOnaPlate Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 Yup, OK,As soon as I hit the 'submit' button, I thought that that was a really immature way to respond to an argumentum ad verecundiam, score one for the young history student. Keep the lad/lass on!Hey, I didn't bring it up, you did. And your poor analysis only compounded the problem.
Lightbearer Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 Now to really tweak the noses of the apostates and Anti-Mormons I quote Elder Holland's talk in it's entirety:(General Conference October 2009-"Safety for the Soul" by Elder Jeffrey R. Holland Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles) "Prophecies regarding the last days often refer to large-scale calamities such as earthquakes or famines or floods. These in turn may be linked to widespread economic or political upheavals of one kind or another.But there is one kind of latter-day destruction that has always sounded to me more personal than public, more individual than collective
LifeOnaPlate Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 Danna believes the History of the Church is not a reliable or primary source. Granted, the HC does not conform to all current standards of historiography (which themselves are contested and applied in broad ways). Modern standards appeared on the American academic scene at the tail-end of the 19th century, decades after the compilation of the HC. Nevertheless, the HC is still a valuable source on church history and certainly doesn't deserve the terse dismissal Danna subjects it to. We have proved Danna with quotes regarding JS and Hyrum reading from the BoM at Carthage. For some reason she believes these accounts were created from whole cloth. I don't accept that dismissal, given that several of the men who were in the jail the entire time were directly involved in the compilation of the HC. The accounts for that section in vol. 6 of the History of the Church regarding Hyrum and JS reading from the BoM and testifying of it appear to have come from these men. Willard Richards took notes at the jail and wrote letters for JS to others. Richards and Taylor were involved in the compilation of the History. They would both have to be lying about it. Why would they? Further, George A. Smith, then-Church historian and also cousin to the prophet Joseph Smith, interviewed several of the jail occupants (Dan Jones, John Fullmer, John Taylor and others) as they compiled this section of the HC. But more importantly for our purposes here, (and for Danna's satisfaction) Dan Jones wrote his own statement about his time at the jail with the brothers before the martyrdom. (Incidentally when I was staying at the MTC I was quartered in Dan Jones dormitory.) Joseph Smith prophesied at the jail that Jones would fulfill a mission to Wales, which he later did. But this is besides the point. We have his eyewitness, firsthand account from 1855, about a decade after the martyrdom. Jones testified that Hyrum read "copious extracts from the Book of Mormon
mfbukowski Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 But she has a PhD!(The more school I attend the less impressed I am with credentials. Good grief, they're thinking of giving me a degree!)*he said, frothing with inexpressible rage. Well everything is so specialized nowadays, education is very narrow and it is easy to lock into one pov.In my experience, you have to train your mind narrowly to get a PhD. and think the way you are supposed to think in your field.Art historians are not good physicists, and philosophers make terrible accountants.
ttribe Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 Well everything is so specialized nowadays, education is very narrow and it is easy to lock into one pov.In my experience, you have to train your mind narrowly to get a PhD. and think the way you are supposed to think in your field.Art historians are not good physicists, and philosophers make terrible accountants.But do accountants made good philosophers?
notHagoth7 Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 But do accountants made good philosophers?Perhaps. Just not the ones who happen to be "creative" at accounting...
Jeff K. Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 But do accountants made good philosophers?Of course they do! They know what counts and what doesn't count.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 I prefer to call myself "Empress Danna", thankyou,Now what's this talk of a good spanking... or am I on the wrong board...Hey hey, you do have a sense of humor. Thank goodness.
mfbukowski Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 But do accountants made good philosophers?Honest answer? (because I have experience here.... )Imo, only if the accountant is a tax planner.Honestly, the difference between tax planners and auditors is night and day.Tax planning is creative problem solving within a set of rules, which is similar to philosophy.Though there are "creative auditors", they have to be careful not to end up in jail!
ttribe Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 Honest answer? (because I have experience here.... )Imo, only if the accountant is a tax planner.Honestly, the difference between tax planners and auditors is night and day.Tax planning is creative problem solving within a set of rules, which is similar to philosophy.Though there are "creative auditors", they have to be careful not to end up in jail!Hmmm...I'm a former auditor...I don't like the implications...I'm a forensic accountant now - LOTS of creativity there!
mfbukowski Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 Perhaps. Just not the ones who happen to be "creative" at accounting... Great minds....
mfbukowski Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 Hmmm...I'm a former auditor...I don't like the implications...I'm a forensic accountant now - LOTS of creativity there!But see- you got out of it!Now you get to "think like a crook" while still being a good guy! (hopefully!!)Edit: I do estate planning and love it!
ttribe Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 But see- you got out of it!Now you get to "think like a crook" while still being a good guy! (hopefully!!)Yep!
Wiki Wonka Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 The apostle relates how the two men went to their martyrdom pondering the truths of the Book of Mormon. "In the hour they died", Elder Holland tells us, they were "quoting from and finding solace in" the Book of Mormon. How, could anyone believe that Joseph wrote the book either himself or as part of a conspiracy to defraud, when he went to his death believing and acting upon the book? Would these "men BLASPHEME before God by continuing to fix their ...eternal salvation... on a book they fictitiously created out of whole cloth". So Elder Holland said, "In this their greatest
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 But more importantly for our purposes here, (and for Danna's satisfaction) Dan Jones wrote his own statement about his time at the jail with the brothers before the martyrdom. With history, patience and a lot of looking are good traits.Yep, but clearly not necessary for those who already know exactly how things must have happened.
LifeOnaPlate Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 So Elder Holland said, "In this their greatest
ttribe Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 Danna said she personally transcribed the talk but it seems she made a mistake in her transcription, and one that leans closer to her now apparent strawman argument. So another obvious mistake on Danna's part, and the mistake leans into her theory, not away from. I listed to the mp3 of the talk just to make sure it wasn't changed for the printed version and the wording is identical to the published version. Danna's quote is simply wrong. You can hear it at the 9:10 mark.You have your own thread devoted to you over at MDB now...pathetic that they don't give reasoned argument a fair shake and just engage in wanton ad hom.
John Larsen Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 You have your own thread devoted to you over at MDB now...pathetic that they don't give reasoned argument a fair shake and just engage in wanton ad hom.Luckily the Alpha Males from this board don't lower themselves to such tactics.
lostindc Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 Luckily the Alpha Males from this board don't lower themselves to such tactics.<--------Alpha maleHey John,How is the picnic planning coming along? Have you thought about sugar cookies in the form of Moroni?
ttribe Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 Luckily the Alpha Males from this board don't lower themselves to such tactics.Did I say they didn't?
lostindc Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 Luckily the Alpha Males from this board don't lower themselves to such tactics.BTW, John should be the last one complaining about tactics, perhaps he can remind us how the "Mormons crawled out of Missouri," care to discuss these ideas in further detail?
structurecop Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 How is the picnic planning coming along? Have you though about sugar cookies in the form of Moroni?Which form?
lostindc Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 Which form?Good point, maybe the pre-Angelic non-horn blowing Moroni. The one Moroni in the pictures that looks thick with his arm draped over the plates.
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