Well, Elder Richard G. Scott's talk is now destined to become quoted by anti-Mormons for decades to come! He outright mocked the Big Bang, evolution, etc. It's not the point of his talk, but he expanded the scope beyond it.
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 09:43 AM
"There are those who mock our beliefs in the most uncharitable ways. And we will bear what they do with long-suffering, for it does not change truth. And in their own way they move our work along a little faster."
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 09:44 AM
Sorry, didn't mean to have a new topic on this. Meant it for the Conference thread. Maybe it needs its own topic. We will see.
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 09:46 AM
Don't you know? If it's spoken in General Conference, it's inerrant flawless binding God-breathed Revelatory doctrine and the only people who would dare question it are Liberal academic Neo-Orthodox cafeteria Mormons. If they're not apostates, I mean.
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 09:47 AM
Elder Scott and Elder Nelson are twins, then, eh? Who knew? 
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 09:53 AM
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Elder Scott and Elder Nelson are twins, then, eh? Who knew?
Lol, yeah, I am still recovering from being sick. I claim temporary insanity. :-D
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 09:57 AM
Actually, I confuse them for each other all the time too. Something about the names and grey hair.
But yes, those whose faith is weak or nonexistent will surely have issues, but that's how we get stronger. Who knows, maybe someone might change their position... nah, who'm I kidding?
But yes, those whose faith is weak or nonexistent will surely have issues, but that's how we get stronger. Who knows, maybe someone might change their position... nah, who'm I kidding?
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If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose my beliefs are true ... and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms. - J. B. S. Haldane
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:07 AM
Paraphrasing Elder Nelson:
"Can an explosion in a printing shop produce a dictionary?"
"Can an explosion in a printing shop produce a dictionary?"
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:07 AM
He said something along the lines of...If there was an explosion in a printer's shop, would it result in producing a dictionary?
I took it to mean that the creation of the world was not an accident, a random event.
I took it to mean that the creation of the world was not an accident, a random event.
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:08 AM
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:14 AM
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I took it to mean that the creation of the world was not an accident, a random event.
We'll get the transcription shortly. But he specifically mentioned the big bang in a mocking manner (I believe it was "some sort of big bang").
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:24 AM
"Some people erroneously think that these marvelous physical attributes happened by chance or resulted from a big bang somewhere. Ask yourself, could an explosion in a printing shop produce a dictionary? The likelihood is most remote. But if so it could never heal it's own torn pages or reproduce it's own newer editions."
I transcribed this and it may contain errors.
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:25 AM
Matthew J. Tandy, on 01 April 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:
Lol, yeah, I am still recovering from being sick. I claim temporary insanity. :-D
You're lucky. You're only insane when you're sick; some of us are sick 24/7 because we're insane!
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"Sooner or later, there comes a point in a man’s life when he’s gotta face some facts. And one fact I gotta face is that, whatever it is that women like, I ain’t got it. I chased after enough girls in my life. I went to enough dances. I got hurt enough. I don’t wanna get hurt no more." —Ernest Borgnine as Marty, the title character in the 1955 film. (RIP, Mr. Borgnine.)
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:27 AM
On the other hand, Brother Christopherson is doing an excellent job clarifying things. 
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:33 AM
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Paraphrasing Elder Nelson:
"Can an explosion in a printing shop produce a dictionary?"
"Can an explosion in a printing shop produce a dictionary?"
I didn't hear the talk as I am preparing to go to family activity. I came in on Christofferson's excellent talk about doctrine. However, if this paraphrasing is correct, it showes that he's not speaking against evolution at all because evolution does not propose complete radmoness nor does it take God out of the equation. When I get back, I'll take a gander at his talk.
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 11:07 AM
It is easy to focus on the periphery and miss the center of the content. I predict critics everywhere will continue to do this.
The talk on doctrine and how it is received was superb. I hope some of our frequent visitors here were listening. He put into clear language that which I struggle to express.
The talk on doctrine and how it is received was superb. I hope some of our frequent visitors here were listening. He put into clear language that which I struggle to express.
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 11:09 AM
Matthew J. Tandy, on 01 April 2012 - 10:14 AM, said:
We'll get the transcription shortly. But he specifically mentioned the big bang in a mocking manner (I believe it was "some sort of big bang").
Darn. I guess they'll have to reorganize the entire physics curriculum at BYU, BYU-Idaho, and BYU-Hawaii. *<tongue firmly in cheek>*
About a year ago Elder Shayne M. Bowen made a similar dismissive statement regarding evolution.
But I very much agree that Elder D. Todd Christofferson's talk was a refreshing drink of water.
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 11:12 AM
Cafeteria Mormons are choosing their sides.
Pun intended!
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If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose my beliefs are true ... and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms. - J. B. S. Haldane
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 11:23 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if Elder Scott (background: nuclear physics) is not as well-disposed towards the Big Bang or full-out organic evolution (single-cell organisms to complex organisms over extremely long periods of time). A member of my stake presidency in the Chicago area growing up was a head physicist at Fermilab. They did "atom-smashing" and subatomic quantum phyiscs. He was in our ward, and I peppered him with science questions on a youth bishop's storehouse service assignment. One thing he told me was that the speed of light is a constant and upper-level speed limit in the universe for some purposes, but that things can go faster than light in other conditions.
As for evolution, he said, "Sure, evolution happens and can be observed. But, birds didn't come from frogs . . . " (winking).
As for evolution, he said, "Sure, evolution happens and can be observed. But, birds didn't come from frogs . . . " (winking).
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 11:49 AM
Matthew J. Tandy, on 01 April 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:
Well, Elder Richard G. Scott's talk is now destined to become quoted by anti-Mormons for decades to come! He outright mocked the Big Bang, evolution, etc. It's not the point of his talk, but he expanded the scope beyond it.
I think he mocked an uncaused and purposeless big bang, and undirected evolution.
He implied that an explosion in a print shop couldn't produce a dictionary, which seems to be the same argument for intelligent design that's used by David, Paul, and in the Book of Mormon (by Alma I think.)
(If his remarks turn out to be an embarrassment, I think they will only be an embarrassment to the individual interpretations of Mormon doctrine that deny any ontological ground of being.)
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 11:54 AM
rongo, on 01 April 2012 - 11:23 AM, said:
It wouldn't surprise me if Elder Scott (background: nuclear physics) is not as well-disposed towards the Big Bang or full-out organic evolution (single-cell organisms to complex organisms over extremely long periods of time). A member of my stake presidency in the Chicago area growing up was a head physicist at Fermilab. They did "atom-smashing" and subatomic quantum phyiscs. He was in our ward, and I peppered him with science questions on a youth bishop's storehouse service assignment. One thing he told me was that the speed of light is a constant and upper-level speed limit in the universe for some purposes, but that things can go faster than light in other conditions.
As for evolution, he said, "Sure, evolution happens and can be observed. But, birds didn't come from frogs . . . " (winking).
As for evolution, he said, "Sure, evolution happens and can be observed. But, birds didn't come from frogs . . . " (winking).
Just so we're all clear, it was Elder Nelson (heart surgeon) and not Elder Scott (nuclear engineer) that made the disparaging comment about the "big bang".
So, no chance for a Tabernacle Choir version of this song next conference:
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