Morgan Philpot?

[ZealouslyStriving]

👍🏻Yeah?

👎🏻 Nay?

I just got done watching the "Signs of the Times" presentation that Bro. Philpot has been doing - has anyone else watched it? Any thoughts?

 

 

[Calm]

Maybe more info about the man or his message and why you found it interesting enough to seek others’ opinions might motivate more to watch it.

[Pyreaux]

I watched it for 8 mins, its seemed like he's using the Book of Mormon as a book that not merely foretells future perils but the very chronology of modern events. It may, but I'm going to get negative as I'm not very interested in such practices, he is aligning the Book of Mormon timelines with when the Gadianton Robbers appear, what they do and in how many years they infiltrated the government, and I suppose is able to align it with when the Communists infiltrated US government in the 70s. 

It might be a kind of interpretive fallacy or theological overreach, where someone treats precedent in scripture as a prophecy or algorithm-projecting scriptural events onto modern times with a sort of one-to-one predictive lens. This method can feel forced or manipulative, especially when used to validate political or ideological narratives.

He's treating the Book of Mormon more like a coded script for current events than a sacred text meant to offer spiritual guidance. He's aligning historical or allegorical events with modern political movements, as if the timeline of scripture is a direct map of our present.

It reminds me of how some groups, like Jehovah’s Witnesses do a lot, they use biblical stories to predict how modern events should unfold, like assuming because a 10-day prayer in ancient times saved a city from invasion means we should expect divine intervention to save us in exactly 10 days. It's a kind of selective pattern-matching that seems more about fitting scripture to ideology than seeking its meaning.

Providential confirmation bias – selectively interpreting events to confirm one’s belief that divine providence is at work in a particular way.

It feels like he's treating precedent as prophecy, as if what happened once in scripture must unfold the same way now, which flattens the meaning and historical context of both.

 

[bluebell]

6 minutes ago, Pyreaux said:

I watched it for 8 mins, its seemed like he's using the Book of Mormon as a book that not merely foretells future perils but the very chronology of modern events. It may, but I'm going to get negative as I'm not very interested in such practices, he is aligning the Book of Mormon timelines with when the Gadianton Robbers appear, what they do and in how many years they infiltrated the government, and I suppose is able to align it with when the Communists infiltrated US government in the 70s. 

It might be a kind of interpretive fallacy or theological overreach, where someone treats precedent in scripture as a prophecy or algorithm-projecting scriptural events onto modern times with a sort of one-to-one predictive lens. This method can feel forced or manipulative, especially when used to validate political or ideological narratives.

He's treating the Book of Mormon more like a coded script for current events than a sacred text meant to offer spiritual guidance. He's aligning historical or allegorical events with modern political movements, as if the timeline of scripture is a direct map of our present.

It reminds me of how some groups, like Jehovah’s Witnesses do a lot, they use biblical stories to predict how modern events should unfold, like assuming because a 10-day prayer in ancient times saved a city from invasion means we should expect divine intervention to save us in exactly 10 days. It's a kind of selective pattern-matching that seems more about fitting scripture to ideology than seeking its meaning.

Providential confirmation bias – selectively interpreting events to confirm one’s belief that divine providence is at work in a particular way.

It feels like he's treating precedent as prophecy, as if what happened once in scripture must unfold the same way now, which flattens the meaning and historical context of both.

 

Does he explain why he thinks the BOM timeline is going to repeat itself?

[Pyreaux]

17 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Does he explain why he thinks the BOM timeline is going to repeat itself?

Maybe, I don't know. I just know that at around 5 mins, he's lining up the Gadianton Robbers events with modern Communist moves year for year, that is when I started losing interest. I've seen timeline matching theories like this before with the Bible, it might be very eerie if it lines up (maybe even true), but I'm just jaded from past parlor tricks of this sort.

Edited April 23, 2025 by Pyreaux

[manol]

1 hour ago, Pyreaux said:

I've seen timeline matching theories like this before with the Bible...

Oh yeah.  Such was my hobby for a time, times, and half a time (wink to anyone who recognizes that wording).  

That sort of thing no longer holds my interest so I won't be watching the video. 

I now think the Second Coming of Christ will be something very different from what people are expecting, much as the First Coming of Christ was very different from what people were expecting. 

[Calm]

4 hours ago, Pyreaux said:

ible, it might be very eerie if it lines up

This kind of stuff reminds of Kennedy-Lincoln parallels:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln–Kennedy_coincidences_urban_legend

[Kenngo1969]

Conditions Preceding Christ’s Coming to the Nephites as Described in the Book of Mormon Versus Conditions Preceding Christ’s Second Coming Compared (at Ridges* 164-166) *David J. Ridges (2009), 65 Signs of the Times Preceding the Second Coming, Springville UT: CFI
	Book of Mormon	Today
Political turmoil and overthrow of governments, including political assassinations	Helaman 1:1-13	Same
Wars and rumors of wars	Helaman 1:14, 3 Nephi 3:26	D&C 45:26, Matt. 24:6
Dissenters and apostates abandon personal righteousness and join the enemies of the righteous	Helaman 4:4	Same
Widespread personal wickedness and corruption	Helaman 4:12	Same
Great success in reactivating members, plus large numbers of converts to the Church	Helaman 5:14-19	Same
Members of the Church prosper as a whole and have great joy and much revelation from God, in spite of such gross wickedness around them	Helaman 6:12-14	Same
Increasing wickedness and more political assassinations	Helaman 6:15-16	Same
Materialism and pride take over the majority of society	Helaman 6:17	Same
Secret combinations are formed to commit acts of terrorism against society	Helaman 6:22-23	Same
The majority of society turns away from God and to wickedness	Helaman 6:31	Same
Rapid takeover of government by unprincipled leaders who set aside God’s commandments etc.	Helaman 7:4-6	Same
Wars everywhere	Helaman 11:1	Same
People have ignored the gospel preaching, so famine is sent to humble them and reclaim as many as possible back to God	Helaman 11:4-6	D&C 88:88-90: Natural disasters are occurring worldwide today for the same purpose (including famine in some cases)
Many teach that there is no such thing as right and wrong: They gain popularity and wide following	Helaman 13:27-28	Same
Many signs and wonders in Heaven	Helaman 14:6	D&C 45:40 – Many signs and wonders in the Heavens and on Earth
Satan tries to get people to refuse to believe obvious signs and wonders	3 Nephi 1:22	2 Peter 3:3-4 – Many people refuse to believe the obvious signs and wonders in the last days
Much peace among faithful members of the Church	3 Nephi 1:23	Same
Many Lamanites join the Church	3 Nephi 2:14-16	D&C 49:24 – Lamanites “blossom as the rose.” Large numbers are joining the Church
The wiked claim that their evil works are good	3 Nephi 3:9-10	Isaiah 5:20
Many lawyers were employed in the land	3 Nephi 6:11	Same
Society divided into ethnic groups who were against each other	3 Nephi 7:2	Same
Church leaders testify boldly to people	3 Nephi 7:16	Church leaders today testify boldly both to the world at large and to members of the Church
People become so wicked that they become angry at Nephi for doing miracles	3 Nephi 7:17-20	The wicked get very angry at the leaders and members of the Church as it continues to grow and serve miraculously
Many miracles and great outpourings of the Spirit among the faithful	3 Nephi 7:22	The righteous today experience many miracles and great outpouring of the Spirit
Many baptisms just before the coming of the Lord	3 Nephi 7:26, 8	Convert baptisms continue to increase in unprecedented numbers

[The Nehor]

14 hours ago, manol said:

Oh yeah.  Such was my hobby for a time, times, and half a time (wink to anyone who recognizes that wording).  

That sort of thing no longer holds my interest so I won't be watching the video. 

I now think the Second Coming of Christ will be something very different from what people are expecting, much as the First Coming of Christ was very different from what people were expecting. 

The Book of Daniel made a lot more sense once someone pointed out to me that the prophecy stuff fits the Maccabean Revolt and that a lot of it functions as a “prophecy” of it. It was too dangerous to write a book about Antiochus so you write one about Babylon and Persia and put the story there to veil it a bit. This is a standard trope in apocalyptic literature. You have the Book of Revelation warning about Babylon when the symbolism all screams it is Rome.

You see the same thing in literature today where you take a commentary on a current conflict and cast it in history or in a fantasy or sci-fi context to provide some distance. The TV show MASH was often a critique of the Vietnam War but that was too politically charged to set the show there so they set it in the Korean war to provide distance.

Daniel makes a disturbing amount of sense when you see it as being about the Maccabean revolt if it was written during it. Of course its happy ending doesn’t happen. Same thing with the apocalyptic Essene group that wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls. Prophesied victory and they went out and fought expecting divine intervention and lost. Apocalyptic fervor tends to get a lot of people killed. I kind of get why the rabbis got sick of apocalyptic literature.

[Buckeye]

20 hours ago, bluebell said:

Does he explain why he thinks the BOM timeline is going to repeat itself?

What point in the BoM timeline correlates to 2025? With that I can calculate when I need to start repenting. 

[filovirus]

He does a lot of proof texting. And I mean a lot. I listened to his full episode on the Stick of Joseph podcast. He has some interesting takes on Revelation chapter 2 and 3 and how it applies to the seven dispensations. The rest is all contrived nonsense in my opinion. Scriptural overreach.