Cult like schools for troubled teens and "The Program" on Netflix, and other Utah schools for troubled youth.

[Tacenda]

I'm currently watching, "The Program" on Netflix. In this article it mentions LDS members connected to the particular group. And it made me think of Jodi Hildebrandt and her cult like tactics and abuse.

I would love others' thoughts and how we can crack down on these programs. Currently watching episode #3 and it's horrific what's happened to these youth. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13184681/Survivors-cult-like-school-troubled-teens-slam-lies-Mormon-camp-boss-Narvin-Lichfield-denies-claims-heinous-abuse-exposed-Netflix-documentary.html

Edited March 13, 2024 by Tacenda

[Tacenda]

If people are worried about sex trafficking why wouldn't they be worried about these schools as well. A place where abuse, including sex, occurred. Where is the uproar about these schools? 

 

[bluebell]

17 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I'm currently watching, "The Program" on Netflix. In this article it mentions LDS members connected to the particular group. And it made me think of Jodi Hildebrandt and her cult like tactics and abuse.

I would love others' thoughts and how we can crack down on these programs. Currently watching episode #3 and it's horrific what's happened to these youth. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13184681/Survivors-cult-like-school-troubled-teens-slam-lies-Mormon-camp-boss-Narvin-Lichfield-denies-claims-heinous-abuse-exposed-Netflix-documentary.html

I'm about 1 and 1/2 episodes in and so far I haven't noticed a mention of anything Latter-day Saint, but it wouldn't surprise me if some members were involved.  Overall it sounds horrendous and these schools are a blank space in our laws that need to be filled.  What happened to these kids was kidnapping and abuse and they had no way to get help.

[bluebell]

17 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

If people are worried about sex trafficking why wouldn't they be worried about these schools as well. A place where abuse, including sex, occurred. Where is the uproar about these schools? 

 

I don't think many of us know much about these schools and that's why more people aren't involved.  Plus, there are a lot of parents who have kids who refuse to be compliant and who are making horrible choices that they can't save from themselves.  Parents have no recourse or help in their communities so they turn to school like this and are willing to turn a blind eye to possible problems in exchange for the promise of help.

Desperate people do desperate and dumb things.

Edited March 13, 2024 by bluebell

[Tacenda]

I suggest watching episode #3 to see the LDS member's connections. And how they've escaped prison. Robert Lichfield especially. 

[bluebell]

2 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I suggest watching episode #3 to see the LDS member's connections. And how they've escaped prison. Robert Lichfield especially. 

I plan on finishing the series.

[Tacenda]

6 minutes ago, bluebell said:

I'm about 1 and 1/2 episodes in and so far I haven't noticed a mention of anything Latter-day Saint, but it wouldn't surprise me if some members were involved.  Overall it sounds horrendous and these schools are a blank space in our laws that need t be filled.  What happened to these kids was kidnapping and abuse and they had no way to get help.

It's episode #3 that LDS are mentioned.

[Tacenda]

List of names of those involved with these schools and comments from those that had to go to them.

https://wwaspsurvivors.com/about-wwasp/owners-staff/

[The Nehor]

One guy wrote up a comic about his experience at a “troubled teen” torture and abuse home.

https://elan.school

[MustardSeed]

The intro showed a “Mormon Jesus” print on the wall, I figured there was some LDS affiliation if not formally so . 

[bluebell]

22 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

The intro showed a “Mormon Jesus” print on the wall, I figured there was some LDS affiliation if not formally so . 

I wondered that as well.

[Calm]

38 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

The intro showed a “Mormon Jesus” print on the wall, I figured there was some LDS affiliation if not formally so . 

If in Utah, it’s probable as people are likely aware of the context, but back when I lived in Canada Greg Olsen was the number one Christian artist in the country. 

A ramble…

 I saw one of his pictures of Christ on a show from Korea.  It floored me, I had to replay it a couple of times to be sure.  Canada was popular (is popular?) as a filming site for Korean film. I have seen more productions located in Canada than I have in the US, though plot lines have people going off to the US a lot. My guess is it is harder to get into and more expensive than filming in Canada. Anyway, I wondered if someone had picked up a picture of Jesus while in Canada or if Greg Olsen is sold a lot overseas as well. 

[bluebell]

1 minute ago, Calm said:

If in Utah, it’s probable as people are likely aware of the context, but back when I lived in Canada Greg Olsen was the number one Christian artist in the country. 

A ramble…

 I saw one of his pictures of Christ on a show from Korea.  It floored me, I had to replay it a couple of times to be sure.  Canada was popular (is popular?) as a filming site for Korean film. I have seen more productions located in Canada than I have in the US, though plot lines have people going off to the US a lot. My guess is it is harder to get into and more expensive than filming in Canada. Anyway, I wondered if someone had picked up a picture of Jesus while in Canada or if Greg Olsen is sold a lot overseas as well. 

This school was over on the East coast.  New York I think.

[Calm]

1 minute ago, bluebell said:

This school was over on the East coast.  New York I think.

I just assumed it was Utah because we have had  schools for troubled teens that have been in the news for abuse.  It seemed like it was an industry in the 80s while I lived here. Don’t hear much about them this time around,  but that may because I am not hanging out with psych students who take jobs at such places like I was back then. 

[bluebell]

4 minutes ago, Calm said:

I just assumed it was Utah because we have had  schools for troubled teens that have been in the news for abuse.  It seemed like it was an industry in the 80s while I lived here. Don’t hear much about them this time around,  but that may because I am not hanging out with psych students who take jobs at such places like I was back then. 

Definitely a lot of schools like this in the west.  This was the first one that I'd heard of in the East Coast.  It's also not like the other ones that I had heard of though.  It considered itself a boarding school where the other ones that I had heard of were more wilderness programs.

[MustardSeed]

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3 hours ago, Calm said:

I just assumed it was Utah because we have had  schools for troubled teens that have been in the news for abuse.  It seemed like it was an industry in the 80s while I lived here. Don’t hear much about them this time around,  but that may because I am not hanging out with psych students who take jobs at such places like I was back then. 

Paris Hilton has had a resurgence of popularity after publishing a memoir that includes her abusive stint in such a school in the Provo “riverbottoms” - 

It sounded pretty terrible honestly.  

[rpn]

NOTE:  If you are going to send your troubled teen somewhere, make it the Anasazi Foundation (headquartered in Mesa AZ)  (and parents have to participate on the front end (in a day seminar to understand what parents need to focus on for themselves, and on back end with their student who wants to show them what they've learned and their plans moving forward.  No force is used.  But  each participant begins to understand cause and effect as they have to ask for what they need to walk and subsist and be self motivated.

[Tacenda]

10 hours ago, rpn said:

NOTE:  If you are going to send your troubled teen somewhere, make it the Anasazi Foundation (headquartered in Mesa AZ)  (and parents have to participate on the front end (in a day seminar to understand what parents need to focus on for themselves, and on back end with their student who wants to show them what they've learned and their plans moving forward.  No force is used.  But  each participant begins to understand cause and effect as they have to ask for what they need to walk and subsist and be self motivated.

Too bad these other schools makes one suspect and it won't go away these feelings as well as these schools. I believe it's all about the money. Have you watched the series yet? It's only got three episodes. If you'd like to skip to the third that's where it shows it's a lot about the money.

ETA: I wish there was a program like this for older people, I'd love it! Maybe there is. Looking into more and thank you for the link. 

We can't throw the baby out with the bathwater sort of thing.

Edited March 14, 2024 by Tacenda