A near death experience.

[Dario_M]

29 minutes ago, manol said:

But those experiences were all temporary.  Those people are not there NOW.   Hells are temporary.

 

That's what we hope. Those people who got saved just had luck. In other cases people might be having less luck and stay there forever. But i'm not God so i don't know.

I will find that out when it's my time. 

But yesterday....oh my🫂 was so heavenly. Together with all my other church members. Heaven must feel like (that what i had yesterday) but then +10000 times stronger. 

29 minutes ago, manol said:

Did those people come back and change their lives?  YES!!  And THAT experience was the "kick in the pants" they needed.

???

29 minutes ago, manol said:

 

Obviously YOU do not need an experience like that.  You really have nothing to fear. 

Excuse me?? 

Edited July 17, 2023 by Dario_M

[Calm]

40 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

In other cases people might be having less luck and stay there forever.

If the gospel is true they won’t. God provides any “luck” needed after we die that we didn’t get while alive. 

At least any capable of changing will be e able to leave hell. They don’t even have to repent, just give up sinning.  My guess is it will be more like intense therapy with much more awareness of one self and others. 

And it won’t be a case of being not being lucky if anyone is in hell/Outer Darkness for eternity because they will have chosen to be there rather than have anything to do with God after having the insight and likely priesthood power equivalent to prophets.

[Dario_M]

32 minutes ago, Calm said:

If the gospel is true they won’t. God provides any “luck” needed after we die that we didn’t get while alive. 

At least any capable of changing will be e able to leave hell. They don’t even have to repent, just give up sinning.  My guess is it will be more like intense therapy with much more awareness of one self and others. 

Well...let's hope it is that way. 

32 minutes ago, Calm said:

And it won’t be a case of being not being lucky if anyone is in hell/Outer Darkness for eternity because they will have chosen to be there rather than have anything to do with God

Nobody chooses to go to hell. (Yeah maybe a small group of gothic people (not that i wanna insult every person that is a gothic though) but i heard some of them saying that they wanna go to hell). But in my opinion people who say those thinks don't know what they're talking about. But the most people don't wanna go to hell let's put it that way.  Why would i choose for something like that. Why would i choose for a path that leads me to a reality of fear pain and torture?

God is the one who make those decisions about us. We make the decisions about how we wanna life. But even that is not interly true. We may have some agency. But apart from that we don't have much controll. If something is ment to happen, it will happen. 

 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2023 by Dario_M

[manol]

1 hour ago, Dario_M said:

That's what we hope. Those people who got saved just had luck. In other cases people might be having less luck and stay there forever. But i'm not God so i don't know.

It is not luck, but the near-death experience often not explain the reason behind everything that happens.  The Doctrine & Covenants Section 19, verse 6, teaches that hells are temporary:

"it is not written that there shall be no end to this torment... "

According to near-death experiencer and researcher, Dr. Eben Alexander (a neurosurgeon), hellish near-death experiences are incomplete:

 

1 hour ago, Dario_M said:

But yesterday....oh my was so heavenly. Together with all my other church members. Heaven must feel like (that what i had yesterday) but then +10000 times stronger.

Beautiful!

1 hour ago, Dario_M said:

???

The hellish experience, which was temporary, caused (or will cause) these people to decide to change their lives for the better.  God is NOT interested in sending his children to hell forever!  Unconditional love means everyone will be offered as many second chances as they need. 

1 hour ago, Dario_M said:

Excuse me?? 

You have obviously chosen the path of seeking and then following what God tells you through the Holy Spirit.  You have nothing to fear, as far as how things will turn out in the end.  Actually in my opinion no one has any need to fear how things will turn out in the end, but some people choose a more difficult path than others, and sometimes fear is the teacher they need at the moment.  But there will come a point at which all fear is set aside.  "Perfect love casts out fear." 

I'm not really trying to get you to change your mind or agree with me because I do not know what your contract is.  Maybe your contract includes facing the fear of going to hell, and if so, imo that and ALL of your experiences will work together for your good. 

 

Edited July 17, 2023 by manol

[Dario_M]

13 minutes ago, manol said:

It is not luck, but the near-death experience often not explain the reason behind everything that happens.  The Doctrine & Covenants Section 19, verse 6, teaches that hells are temporary:

"it is not written that there shall be no end to this torment... "

Beautiful!

Well..let's hope it's true huh. 

13 minutes ago, manol said:

The hellish experience, which was temporary, caused (or will cause) these people to decide to change their lives for the better.

You have obviously chosen the path of seeking and then following what God tells you through the Holy Spirit.  You have nothing to fear, as far as how things will turn out in the end

I fear yeah. 

13 minutes ago, manol said:

  Actually in my opinion no one has any need to fear how things will turn out in the end, but some people choose a more difficult path than others, and sometimes fear is the teacher they need at the moment.  But there will come a point at which all fear is set aside.  "Perfect love casts out fear." 

I'm not really trying to get you to change your mind or agree with me because I do not know what your contract is.  Maybe your contract includes facing the fear of going to hell, and if so, imo that and ALL of your experiences will work together for your good. 

 

Well.. let me tell you that that will be  the last ting i wanna have written in my contract. I don't even wanna spend one second in hell if i may be honest. 

But...that's not on me. Wel in a way it is offcourse. But.... you know what i mean right. 

Edited July 17, 2023 by Dario_M

[manol]

4 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Well.. let me tell you that that will be  the last ting i wanna have written in my contract. I don't even wanna spend one second in hell if i may be honest.

What I am saying is that facing the FEAR itself, the FEAR of hell you are having right now, might be in your contract. 

As I look back over my life, I think facing fears (including that one) has been in my contract.  These fears (along with other challenges) have been my teachers because they caused me to seek more widely and with greater energy than I would have otherwise, and as a result I have found things that I would not have found otherwise.

Imo if you can choose light and love, or even just have or express to God your intention of choosing light and love, in the face of uncertainty and fear, you are moving in the right direction. 

Edited July 17, 2023 by manol

[The Nehor]

6 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Nobody chooses to go to hell. (Yeah maybe a small group of gothic people (not that i wanna insult every person that is a gothic though) but i heard some of them saying that they wanna go to hell).

Please don’t slander my High School culture.

[Dario_M]

6 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Please don’t slander my High School culture.

I don't. Just saying. Some gothics have said that to me. 

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, Dario_M said:

I don't. Just saying. Some gothics have said that to me. 

I was joking. No worries.

[Tweed1944]

https://www.hinduwebsite.com/ask/what-happens-after-death.asp

Everything is a projection, Maya

Logically speaking, it appears that what people might experience in the last stages of their lives or in their afterlives is shaped largely by the quality and nature of their consciousness. It is a projection of their consciousness, which creates the reality and provides them with the experience. Since consciousness is unique to each person and to each case, the experience of reality will also be different to each person. It is more likely that if the same person undergoes two near death experiences at two stages in his life, one in the young age and the second in the old age, his two experiences may not

 

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

I was joking. No worries.

🙏🤣

[Dario_M]

33 minutes ago, Tweed1944 said:

https://www.hinduwebsite.com/ask/what-happens-after-death.asp

Everything is a projection, Maya

Logically speaking, it appears that what people might experience in the last stages of their lives or in their afterlives is shaped largely by the quality and nature of their consciousness. It is a projection of their consciousness, which creates the reality and provides them with the experience. Since consciousness is unique to each person and to each case, the experience of reality will also be different to each person. It is more likely that if the same person undergoes two near death experiences at two stages in his life, one in the young age and the second in the old age, his two experiences may not

 

I don't believe that. After the NDE those people have seen everything that have happend in the meanwhile they where dead. Sometimes they even know what the thoughts where from their loved ones. And after they have survived the experience they are sometimes able the predict the future in their further life and they are highly sensitive.

You can't explain that with science. This is someting that goes above all of that.

[Tacenda]

17 hours ago, Dario_M said:

I don't believe that. After the NDE those people have seen everything that have happend in the meanwhile they where dead. Sometimes they even know what the thoughts where from their loved ones. And after they have survived the experience they are sometimes able the predict the future in their further life and they are highly sensitive.

You can't explain that with science. This is someting that goes above all of that.

👍

[Dario_M]

4 hours ago, Tacenda said:

👍

Yeah right? I really find that you just can't explain this miraculous thing with plain science. 🌈

[MiserereNobis]

On 7/15/2023 at 9:50 PM, Pyreaux said:

"Foreordination", an important doctrine of the LDS Church that teaches that during the pre-mortal existence, God "foreordained" particular people to fulfill certain "missions" during their mortal lives. There is a set time, place and circumstance they'll be born and a duration for the lives of these people.

"Thy days are known, and thy years shall not be numbered less; therefore, fear not what man can do, for God shall be with you forever and ever." (D&C 122:9).

The Divine Right of Kings!

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, MiserereNobis said:

The Divine Right of Kings!

Tell me more please? 🙏

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, MiserereNobis said:

The Divine Right of Kings!

Nah, being the “Chosen” people is horrible in practice as just about all Chosen people will tell you.

[Dario_M]

48 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Nah, being the “Chosen” people is horrible in practice as just about all Chosen people will tell you.

Well... i think it's kinda nice to be an important figure. Being unknown and ignored is not that pleasant. 

[The Nehor]

4 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Well... i think it's kinda nice to be an important figure. Being unknown and ignored is not that pleasant. 

Ask the Jews and Nephites about how being chosen by God worked out for them.

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Ask the Jews and Nephites about how being chosen by God worked out for them.

Maybe when i have some free time.