The Nehor Posted August 5, 2023 Posted August 5, 2023 1 hour ago, gopher said: According to the Angel co-founder Neal Harmon, Fabian was one of 6,678 people who invested an average of $501 each into the Sound of Freedom. Harmon said anyone who met the legal criteria could invest in the movie, just as you can invest in the stock market. So the attempts to make it sound like Fabian was a major source of funding for the movie is suspect. It seems to be in someone's best interest to tear down this movie. I haven't seen it and probably won't, but I have donated to the organization in the past by participating in 5k races. I said that it was a loose connection and did say it wasn’t damning for anyone involved. I just liked the irony. I do find it slightly damning that a lot of the crowdfunding advertising came from QAnon friendly spaces.
gopher Posted August 6, 2023 Posted August 6, 2023 2 hours ago, The Nehor said: I said that it was a loose connection and did say it wasn’t damning for anyone involved. I just liked the irony. I do find it slightly damning that a lot of the crowdfunding advertising came from QAnon friendly spaces. yeah, it's still ironic. But based on the news headlines though, you would think he was more than important to the movie. Some examples: Sponsor of anti-child-sex-trafficking film ‘Sound of Freedom’ accused of child kidnapping 'Sound of Freedom' Funder Fabian Marta Arrested For Child Kidnapping Financier of QAnon-Esque Child Trafficking Film Is Arrested for Child Kidnapping 'Sound of Freedom' Investor Arrested for Child Kidnapping Man who funded movie Sound of Freedom has been charged with child kidnapping The QAnon stuff is weird.
The Nehor Posted August 6, 2023 Posted August 6, 2023 6 hours ago, gopher said: yeah, it's still ironic. But based on the news headlines though, you would think he was more than important to the movie. Some examples: Sponsor of anti-child-sex-trafficking film ‘Sound of Freedom’ accused of child kidnapping 'Sound of Freedom' Funder Fabian Marta Arrested For Child Kidnapping Financier of QAnon-Esque Child Trafficking Film Is Arrested for Child Kidnapping 'Sound of Freedom' Investor Arrested for Child Kidnapping Man who funded movie Sound of Freedom has been charged with child kidnapping The QAnon stuff is weird. I would bet a substantial number of the backers were QAnon or QAnon adjacent. The whole conspiracy is tied up with claims of pedophilia and trafficking and I know that a lot of the word of mouth and targeted recruiting was on their sites. Not all, but a lot.
gopher Posted August 8, 2023 Posted August 8, 2023 On 8/6/2023 at 5:10 AM, The Nehor said: I would bet a substantial number of the backers were QAnon or QAnon adjacent. The whole conspiracy is tied up with claims of pedophilia and trafficking and I know that a lot of the word of mouth and targeted recruiting was on their sites. Not all, but a lot. Shouldn't be too hard to find out. It's been reported that the names of the 6,678 donors were included in the movie credits.
LoudmouthMormon Posted August 8, 2023 Posted August 8, 2023 On 8/6/2023 at 3:10 AM, The Nehor said: QAnon adjacent. What does that phrase even mean? Would that be, like, conservatives? Republicans? 2nd amendment enthusiasts who worry about the future of our nation? People who are not left-leaning? 2
bsjkki Posted August 8, 2023 Posted August 8, 2023 His crimes. "Fabian Marta, 51, stands accused by Circuit Attorney Gabe Gore of “accessory child kidnapping,” a Class A felony. The complaint alleges that Marta assisted a woman referred to as “Suspect 1” in harboring her children at an apartment building he owned “knowing she had taken them illegally” from a lawful parent. It accused him of “refusing to allow police access to the residence and impeding the kidnapping investigation.” 2
The Nehor Posted August 8, 2023 Posted August 8, 2023 3 hours ago, LoudmouthMormon said: What does that phrase even mean? Would that be, like, conservatives? Republicans? 2nd amendment enthusiasts who worry about the future of our nation? People who are not left-leaning? I talked about where they were advertising. QAnon sites and non-QAnon sites with users that are sympathetic to the belief but won’t espouse it themselves. So yes to anyone who fits in that category which probably includes a subset from all of those groups. 1
Calm Posted August 8, 2023 Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, bsjkki said: His crimes. "Fabian Marta, 51, stands accused by Circuit Attorney Gabe Gore of “accessory child kidnapping,” a Class A felony. The complaint alleges that Marta assisted a woman referred to as “Suspect 1” in harboring her children at an apartment building he owned “knowing she had taken them illegally” from a lawful parent. It accused him of “refusing to allow police access to the residence and impeding the kidnapping investigation.” So he could have been helping an abused woman and her children hide from a spouse (of course the woman could be the abuser or it was a nasty custody fight or something else), it looks like it could be possible he was trying to do good, something many of us would morally support even if it was illegal. That makes more sense as to why he would support such a movie. added: found a few more details, it looks like a custody issue Quote A probable cause statement against Marta, 51, according to KMOV, claims he assisted someone who had illegally abducted her children and obstructed their return to their rightful parent "by refusing to allow police access to the residence and impeding the kidnapping investigation." In simpler terms, it turns out that Marta is a tenant of a woman who had a custody battle with her aunt. According to reports, Marta was giving the woman in question and her children—the former of whom is helping to renovate the rental property—a place to live. According to Marta's lawyer Scott Rosenblum of Rosenblum, Schwartz & Fry in St. Louis, who was contacted by the news outlet Deadline, the criminal accusations against his client are "unfounded." The attorney stated, "I don't understand how they're charging him with this. He has nothing to do with kidnapping anyone." https://voz.us/leftist-media-manipulates-story-arrest-sound-of-freedom-donor/?lang=en My guess is he is the landlord, she is the tenant Edited August 8, 2023 by Calm 3
LoudmouthMormon Posted August 8, 2023 Posted August 8, 2023 8 hours ago, The Nehor said: I talked about where they were advertising. QAnon sites and non-QAnon sites with users that are sympathetic to the belief but won’t espouse it themselves. So yes to anyone who fits in that category which probably includes a subset from all of those groups. Ok - Q-anon-adjacent = people who believe qanon conspiracy theories but aren't talking openly about it. I can hang with that. I am a patriotic 2nd amendment enthusiast constitutional conservative, with much energy and zeal over the horrible crimes of child sex trafficking and how pervasive it is. And I'm not 'qanon adjacent', because I don't believe there's some global conspiracy populated by the rich and powerful to enslave our girls, and Trump knows about it and will save us all. And I know most child sex trafficking is of the local homegrown variety, not the Sound of Freedom variety. There's more than one Epstein, but there are ten thousand of these folks for every Epstein. Yeah? 4
Tacenda Posted August 8, 2023 Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, LoudmouthMormon said: Ok - Q-anon-adjacent = people who believe qanon conspiracy theories but aren't talking openly about it. I can hang with that. I am a patriotic 2nd amendment enthusiast constitutional conservative, with much energy and zeal over the horrible crimes of child sex trafficking and how pervasive it is. And I'm not 'qanon adjacent', because I don't believe there's some global conspiracy populated by the rich and powerful to enslave our girls, and Trump knows about it and will save us all. And I know most child sex trafficking is of the local homegrown variety, not the Sound of Freedom variety. There's more than one Epstein, but there are ten thousand of these folks for every Epstein. Yeah? Good to know! ETA: Ugh, just read the article out of Colorado. I'm sick about this young woman only wanting to be able to do her studies etc in peace and winding up being sexually assaulted and hauled in to the ring of being trafficked. Sadly she was abused in her own family too. We've got to become very loud and clear that victims (turned heroes) need to speak up, if this happens, it's never okay. And also, if the victim/hero does just lay there and take it, not to feel guilty about it, since it's a normal reaction. I hope girls/women understand it's not their faults. The girl in the article was given a date rape drug as well. This is something that needs to start at the core. And I believe the core is generations of abuse. Edited August 8, 2023 by Tacenda
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