Daybell-Vallow trial

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WS…in regards to the satellite picture yesterday, someone is saying it shows that Tylee was buried by that time, but the turf was not replaced….and AC was gone, so that leaves CD to finish up the burial.

”KSL’s analysis of the satellite image shows the area of disturbed ground was roughly 6 feet wide by 6 1/2 feet tall, larger than one might expect for the burial of a small animal such as a raccoon.”

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/id-doomsday-cult-victims-joshua-vallow-tylee-ryan-tammy-daybell-charles-vallow-arrests-72.675869/page-2#post-18283476

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10:32 a.m. Greenhalgh says Garth Daybell never contradicted his father and did not give any information to the deputies. Greenhalgh took photos of the scene and Blake asks to admit the pictures.

10:30 a.m. Chad told the deputy that Tammy hated to see the doctor and had fallen in the driveway about a month prior. Chad did not say anything about Tammy having fainting spells but he said she had issues with her blood pressure. In the courtroom – Lori is looking back and forth from the witness and Blake. Her arms are folded. 

10:29 a.m. Chad told Greenhalgh Tammy woke up coughing around midnight and then vomited. He helped her recover and then assisted her back to bed. Chad said around 5:45 a.m., Tammy then partially fell off the bed. He said “her feet and legs had gotten caught in the sheets. Her torso had fallen off the bed but her head was on the floor.” Chad said he and his son moved the body back into the bed and covered her with blankets. That’s how Greenhalgh saw her. It was apparent Tammy was dead

I need to find when the 911 call was made.  If she was cold by then, does that fit with allegedly falling out of bed at 5:45?  If he called right away….she had to have been dead, not dying when she fell out of bed.

The question is why.

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10:40 a.m. We now see a very close image of Tammy’s face and there is pink foam coming out of her mouth. Greenhalgh says Tammy had a small bruise on her arm.

10:39 a.m. Greenhalgh did not move Tammy’s body but when other deputies arrived, they moved it to make an assessment. The next photo shows the pink foam at Tammy’s mouth. 

10:37 a.m. The next image shows Tammy’s body on the bed under a dark blue/black comforter. You can see her head. The next image is a close-up of Tammy dead on the bed. “She had some reddish pink foam on her mouth that was running down her cheek.” That is displayed on the photo. Greenhalgh says she has never responded to another death where foam was present. The next photo is zoomed in on Tammy’s face.

 

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10:44 a.m. “Bodies don’t move if they are deceased. For her to fall off the bed, she would have been alive at that point,” Archibald says. He asks if CPR had been performed on Tammy between 5:40 a.m. and 6 a.m. She responds, “To my knowledge, it was not performed.” Archibald has no further questions. 

10:42 a.m. Archibald asks Greenhalgh what time she responded to the Daybell’s house. It was around 6 a.m. Archibald asks Greenhalgh why she didn’t ask Chad why he waited 20 minutes to call 911. She says she did not specifically ask Chad that.

Now this is what I expect to hear from a defense attorney…

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Garth worked the night before…

Speculation is CD staged the falling out of bed so Garth could be a witness of his mother’s death, when reality was she died much earlier.

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10:45 a.m. Blake has some follow-up questions and asks if it appeared Tammy had only been dead 10-20 minutes. Greenhalgh says it appeared she had been dead longer than that. Tammy’s body was cold to the touch but she could not determine if rigor mortis was setting in. Blake has no further questions.

So not stiff, but cold.

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11:01 a.m. There was nothing to indicate Tammy’s head hit the nightstand, Willmore says. Coroner Brenda Dye then arrived on scene and Willmore deferred to her. Willmore asked Chad if Tammy had been ill. He said she had not been well for the past month and didn’t go to the doctor.

11 a.m. Blake shows a close-up photo of Tammy’s face and Willmore describes a “pink, frothy foam.” Willmore was wondering what caused it and she thought it could have been congestive heart failure. Willmore had never been to a death scene where she saw pink foam. “It caused me enough concern that I got my phone and looked up poisoning. I also looked up foam just because I thought it was weird and I had not seen that before.”

10:57 a.m. Willmore believes Tammy had been dead for a few hours. “She was 49 so this was unusual because she’s not that old. I was looking for things on her neck, bruising, scratches, those kind of things,” Willmore says. She observed bruises on her forearm but they didn’t look new.

10:55 a.m. Willmore says the county coroner called her and asked her to respond to the house because Willmore was closer. Blake shows Willmore the photo of Tammy lying on the bed under the blanket. Willmore says when she walked in, Tammy had foam coming out of her mouth – “quite a bit of foam” – and Willmore says “that was odd.” When Willmore touched Tammy, she realized Tammy had been dead for a while because she was so cold and her body was stiff.

10:53 a.m. Willmore had never responded to an asphyxiation death before. Chad told Willmore Tammy got sick around midnight and was in the bathroom vomiting. He said she became ok and went back to bed. Chad said Tammy was in menopause and liked to sleep with her leg outside of the bed. Later on, he said he heard Tammy fall out of the bed. “He said he got up and she was out of the bed with her head and body down with one leg twisted in the blankets. She was cold and not breathing at the time.”

10:51 a.m. Willmore says she was fairly new as a deputy coroner and had responded to five unattended deaths before Oct. 201. She was called to the report of Tammy Daybell’s death. When she arrived at the house, Chad Daybell was at the house. “He was distressed, distraught, appropriately so, saying he found his wife dead

Bold is believable.  It still seems unlikely if she died that way, she would eventually fall out.

Correction, body was stiff, which makes the “frozen” comment more understandable. 

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11:04 a.m. When Brenda Dye (the coroner) arrived, she took over. Willmore would have determined if an autopsy was needed if the coroner was not there but because Dye was on scene, Willmore didn’t make the call. Chad Daybell did not want an autopsy performed as Dye and Willmore were discussing the option. “He said no.” Willmore says she had concerns for Tammy’s death because of her age and the foam.

I wonder if this is one of the “lies” the Daybell children believe LE has told them.  The way Garth described it is a little different, but even if he appeared calm, I bet he was distracted and he might have missed some of his dad’s behaviour.

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From WS, just reminding…CD sent LVD three texts a little after 11:30 PM and AC calls L.VD for 16 min at 11:53. I wonder how long it takes to drive from CD’s house to his own apartment. AC was pinged in a church parking lot near CD’s house that night.  He left right after the call.  Was he nearby because he had helped or delivered some drugs to poison her or was he waiting to see if he was needed?

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If my husband heard me fall out of bed, the light would be on and he would be out of it. 
 

He didn’t even ask if she was okay?  Just “get up”?  Yeah, that sounds loving. I would think a writer would come up with a better line. 

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Hidden True Crime…

He asked her to get up, but when she didn’t respond he turned on the light, she had rolled partially off the bed, her torso had rolled off, he put her back in bed and she was there in bed with a blanket when first responder arrived

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Brenda dye, the coroner then came on scene. Cw then deferred to her. Chad told CW that Tammy had low blood pressure, and fainting and she’d been clumsy and not well the past few weeks. Chad said Tammy didn’t go to docs, and CW saw homeopathic book on her nightstand

Was the book hers or conveniently placed by CD to suggest she wasn’t well and that she didn’t like doctors.?

https://twitter.com/HiddenTrueCrime/status/1651999049955037184

 

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She went to the doctor and had a sprain on her wrist but Chad said she was prescribed Tramadol. Chad said she had taken all the medicine and there was no bill pottle in the house.

There was tramadol found in her system iirc…my memory is it takes 3 or 4 days to clear the body, at least for drug tests.

You can OD on tramadol…

I wonder if the doctor who treated her for the sprain will testify.

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Chad told Brenda that she treated everything with natural medicine. Brenda asked if tammy had had seizures and then Chad said that her legs would shake, adding info as Brenda asked her questions…

Chad told her tammy liked to sleep with legs outside of cover due to hot flashes. Both Chad AND GARTH said they saw her throwing up

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In other words—she is wearing white pajamas. Brenda dye asked how tammy could fall off bed if she was dead?Chad explained he must have moved and then she fell. Rigor mortis had certainly set in, according to Brenda

 

https://twitter.com/HiddenTrueCrime/status/1652002896287002625

 

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11:26 a.m. Dye says because the lividity was on her backside, she died while on her back. Chad said Tammy had been feeling “off” and fell outside. She went to the doctor and had a sprain on her wrist but Chad said she was prescribed Tramadol. Chad said she had taken all the medicine and there was no bill pottle in the house. 

11:25 a.m. Dye says Chad told her that Tammy slept on the edge of the bed with her leg out of the covers because she was having hot flashes. 

11:24 a.m. When Dye noticed the sputum, Chad said that Tammy had leg convulsions and said she had seizures. He did not volunteer this information until Dye asked further questions.

11:22 a.m. Dye asked Chad for more information about Tammy’s health. “He said that she had been feeling really off lately – like she wasn’t in her body,” Dye says. Chad said Tammy had been having some fainting episodes including one at the temple where she passed out on the floor. Chad said Tammy had very low blood pressure and wouldn’t go to the doctors. He said she tried to treat everything naturally.

11:20 a.m. Dye says there was lividity on Tammy’s back – where the blood pools at the lowest point of the body due to loss of circulation. Blake is showing Dye the photos of Tammy after she died. On one photo, you can see some bruising on the upper right arm.

Yeah….he just forgot about the seizures? 
 

Leg convulsions….hmmm….

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11:29 a.m. Dye says she consulted with the detectives and the morgue about whether to do an autopsy. She says there was nothing suspicious about the scene but Dye did ask Chad how Tammy could fall out of bed if she was deceased. He said he must have pulled the top sheet when he rolled over in his sleep releasing her because she liked to sleep on the edge of the bed.

 

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11:32 a.m. After consulting with detectives, Dye decided not to have an autopsy done. Chad did not want an autopsy done. Dye completed a death certificate for Tammy Daybell. She said that Tammy died of natural causes. Dye said that was based on information Chad and one of his daughters gave her.

11:31 a.m. Dye estimated the time of death for Tammy was between 12:30-2 a.m. based on the rigor mortis and lividity in her back.

So she died a half an hour to 2 hours after the texts and phone call.

I can easily see her refusing to take the tramadol after the first day.  I don’t know how much Idaho allows, but my guess is no more than two weeks worth of minimum dose.  I have no clue if that could cause death in someone not used to the drug if most was taken all at once.

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Tramadol overdose symptoms are similar to those of other opioids but can also include seizures.

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Tolerance means the amount of drug that your body is used to. For example, if you regularly take 50 mg of tramadol and suddenly increase to 400 mg, your risk for an overdose increases.

If 400 mg can cause an overdose, that could be likely accomplished with what she was given if given enough for two weeks even at 50 mg allowed per day (and it would more likely be 100 mg.  My daughter got four days worth only though after oral surgery…ibuprofen worked much better for her.  I have taken tramadol for rls, worked okay for that but caused insomnia and migraines. Iow, it is easy for me to imagine she may have taken it once or twice and then decided it wasn’t worth it, leaves it on the medicine cabinet shelf….and CD sees an opportunity open up.

https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/tramadol-addiction/tramadol-overdose/

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Beyond seizures, overdose symptoms for this medication include:

• Respiratory depression
• Shallow or absent breath
• Weakness or lethargy
• Cold, clammy or discolored skin
• Dizziness when standing
• Pinpoint pupils
• Unconsciousness or coma
• Irregular heartbeat
• Nausea and vomiting
• Muscle rigidity

But I would think it would be weird for them not to notice an overdose, especially given they were told the drug had been in the house and now all gone.

I want to know when she went to the doctor (her wrist was hurting two weeks before when she visited her sister) and how long she had been complaining about not feeling good to her children.  If she wasn’t into medications, I can see her as embarrassed to admit she was taking an opiate and just saying she felt sick, which was due to side effects.  She stops taking them and CD uses what’s left.  Could cause respiratory depression and therefore asphyxiation, I am guessing.

I wonder if that will be CD’s defense, tramadol overdose.

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When the heart and lungs are not working properly, fluid builds up around both organs and cells are starved of oxygen.

Carbon dioxide and other gases also build up around cells and mix with the fluid, forming a frothy, light-pink or blood-tinted mucus. This frothy mucus may spill out of someone’s open mouth uncontrollably.

The above is in the drug overdose section

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321756#:~:text=When the heart and lungs,pink or blood-tinted mucus.

 

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12:34 p.m. Dye says she believed Chad Daybell’s version of events. “Chad Daybell convinced you and the deputy and the investigator that nothing bad happened?” Dye said that was the conclusion. Archibald has no further questions. Blake has nothing further. Dye is released from the stand.

12:32 p.m. Dye says she told Chad Daybell there might be an autopsy. He told her he did not feel it was necessary. Dye responded that if they felt it was necessary, they would do one. “Emma, the daughter, was very adamant about not having an autopsy done. Garth was also on scene. He did not voice his opinion,” Dye says. Emma was against it because she didn’t want that done to her mom, Dye says.

 

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12:39 p.m. Cook says Tammy was active with her email and knew computers well. Employees were expected to check their email accounts during summer months. In the archive system, Cook says one email was received from Charles Vallow that was in Tammy’s deleted folder. Cook says Charles’ email address was blocked in her email. It was the only email listed in Tammy’s account under the “blocked” section. 

If it was in her deleted file, it means she blocked him after she received it.  Did CD convince her CW was a liar and maybe was trying to set up his wife so he wouldn’t have to pay alimony?  Or did she open the email and see the accusations and the videos of LVD dancing (does LVD speak CD’s name in these?) and disgusted, blocked and deleted it.

It is claimed (I will try and dig it up if anyone cares) CD had affairs before.  Was Tammy aware of them but still willing to be married and would have likely refused a divorce in this case?  Maybe that is why CD told LVD he was forbidden to divorce, because it hadn’t stopped MP or MG from being part of their mission.  Could past depression have been caused by other affairs?

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12:46 p.m. Harris attended a high fitness class with Tammy in late September 2019 in St. Anthony. Harris and Tammy worked out next to each other. “That class is very high intensity. We’re doing squats, jumping jacks, burpees, a lot of up and down,” Harris says. Tammy was able to keep up with the class and Harris did not witness any limitations in her ability to participate. Rammell has no more questions for Harris. Archibald has no questions. Harris is released to go.

12:44 p.m. Harris says Tammy was in the clogging class from the end of August/early September 2019 until the time of her death. Each clogging class was 60 minutes long. Kelsey says clogging is closer to “Riverdance” than “Singing in the Rain.” It’s fast-paced activity. Harris says in her observation, Tammy never fell behind or quit early because of exhaustion. Her participation was consistent with the rest of her group.

Lots of new stuff today.

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12:48 p.m. The next witness called by the state is Shanna Miller. Miller was on the committee to interview Tammy at the school and took a high fitness class with Tammy and her daughter twice a week. Miller says in the week prior to Tammy’s death, she appeared very healthy.

12:51 p.m. It was a zumba class that included planks, Latin dancing, push-ups, burpees, lot of squats, jumping jacks – it was highly aerobic, Miller says. Tammy regularly attended with her daughter between fall 2018-fall 2019.

Ended early today.  Judge had a thing….

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Chad told Dye that Tammy had been feeling off lately "like she wasn't in her body." 

That last comment got Lori's attention and she is now watching Dye as she testifies. 
 

https://twitter.com/cathyrusson?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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Conflict in time reporting, too much info at once…

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Dye estimated Tammy's time of death between 2:30 - 4am due to rigor, etc..

 

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Another weird tidbit popping up on WS. 
 

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also reminds me of Zulema explaining ( to LE in the interview?) that Chad taught them that each human was attached to their body by c 30,000 strings and these became detached over time.

 

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Dye points out the pink foam is running the wrong way down tammy’s face. Ray mentioned this in our break live

From ws

https://twitter.com/HiddenTrueCrime/status/1652017006315708417?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1652017006315708417|twgr^311f0c2edc8306bc3ef57bef4b05148c87fa2104|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2Fforums%2Fthreads%2Fid-doomsday-cult-victims-joshua-vallow-tylee-ryan-tammy-daybell-charles-vallow-arrests-72.675869%2Fpage-10

 

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40 minutes ago, Calm said:

... Ended early today.  Judge had a thing ….

Ummm ... a "thing"?    

Not attempting to turn the thread political (which would be pointless: No idea if anyone involved is a huge President Joseph R. Biden Jr. fan or not, and really don't care) or to derail it, but I do have to admit, that reminded me of this:

 

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I wasn’t paying attention to the first few comments (I really don’t care about what people are wearing and don’t need to read again that the bailiff is cautioning people about their phones, food, etc) and just caught in my skimming part of an announcement that it would be an early day…I didn’t register any explanation, so I assumed there wasn’t one and therefore assumed it was the judge calling it early like he did yesterday because he had something to attend to.  Again, these are quick notes by reporters trying to catch the highlights, so lacks context a lot of times.  
 

So he’s “got a thing” seemed precise enough to serve.   
 

I don’t know why I felt the need to write that all out.  Maybe I am stuck in ‘reporting’ mode?

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I missed this before.  This is disturbing. 
 

Emma is the one insistent Mom not get an autopsy.   Emma is one of the kids insisting Mom was feeling poorly,

Emma went to the heavy duty fitness classes with Mom.

CD also wrote a book whose main character was modeled after Emma.

She lived across the street, appears to have rented. Iirc she is back in their home with her husband, probably kids.  She may not have a choice or it may be defiance.  Another version of sticking her tongue out at the world.  The house is owned by John Prior as part of his fee, but it is reported he lets the children (adults of course) stay there.

Maybe he had close relationships with the other kids, but I have only heard stuff about him and Emma being close (nothing inappropriate, how sad that I feel the need to add that).

The other daughter, Leah, is reported on WS as not living in the area, but it’s from memory and didn’t sound real confident,

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From a WS member:

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Just wanted to add that it's totally possible to OD on Tramadol. I accidentally did it to myself. I was prescribed it when I jammed my toe. One pill did nothing for the pain, so I decided to up it to 2 pills. What I failed to realize is that this drug must be given 6 hours apart. I took the extra 2 pills at 4 hours apart, so I had 3 pills in my system at the same time. I got extremely tired after 30 minutes. We had gone to a Chinese restaurant for Christmas Eve. I was begging my husband and daughter to go home. I threw up on the ride home and continued to do so for quite awhile. That's how memorable it was.

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