Kenngo1969 Posted May 31, 2022 Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) On 1/22/2022 at 12:29 PM, california boy said: ... I have seen him go from sneezing and running nose to it completely disappear when he has a red glass of wine [sic]. ... Interesting that it's the color of the glass that counts more than the color of the wine: So he could drink a red glass of rosé wine or a red glass of white wine and it would clear his allergies right up, huh? (Sorry. Couldn't resist!) As Dr. Festus Doofus, Ph.D., the noted Professor of English of the University of Southern Nowhar put it, "Them thar modifiers, they's tricky thangs! Ya gots ta make sure them thar modifiers goes next ta the word yer tryin' ta modify!" (Just havin' a little fun with you, California Boy. ) On 1/22/2022 at 12:29 PM, california boy said: Church members should stick with their abstaining from alcohol mostly because they think it pleases God. I don't think others believe Christ has a problem with drinking wine. Bingo. Thanks for that. Edited May 31, 2022 by Kenngo1969
Kenngo1969 Posted May 31, 2022 Posted May 31, 2022 I don't know if anyone has posted this yet. Smac97 scooped the Deseret News by five months. ("Neener, neener," @Scott Lloyd???) https://www.deseret.com/2022/5/30/23100416/the-new-prohibitionists-alcohol-health-benefits-sober-living
Jaydes Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 Interestingly, God has said in the word of wisdom that beer is good for us. However wine is only to be used for sacrament. 1
Saint Bonaventure Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Jaydes said: Interestingly, God has said in the word of wisdom that beer is good for us. However wine is only to be used for sacrament. In temperance, I believe that beer and wine are fine for people who are of age and who don't have issues with addiction. 1 Timothy 5:23.... Without temperance, abstinence can pressurize desire. A person who won't drink alcohol ever, but who hasn't cultivated temperance, may find themselves plowing through a bag of potato chips or downing a 2-liter of Mountain Dew. Edited June 1, 2022 by Saint Bonaventure 2
Scott Lloyd Posted June 5, 2022 Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) On 1/22/2022 at 12:29 PM, california boy said: Church members should stick with their abstaining from alcohol mostly because they think it pleases God. I don't think others believe Christ has a problem with drinking wine. The benefit you’ve observed from drinking wine could quite possibly be achieved in other ways that don’t carry the potential substantial harms that obviously come from imbibing alcohol. As for what Church members “should stick with,” what you suggest is of course the important reason, but I see no harm in faithful Latter-day Saints looking for and finding practical benefits in Word of Wisdom observance. And you have no greater province to tell Church members what they “should stick with” pertaining to the Word of Wisdom than I do to tell non-members what they should believe regarding it. Edited June 5, 2022 by Scott Lloyd
Scott Lloyd Posted June 5, 2022 Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) On 6/1/2022 at 7:34 AM, Saint Bonaventure said: A person who won't drink alcohol ever, but who hasn't cultivated temperance, may find themselves plowing through a bag of potato chips or downing a 2-liter of Mountain Dew. As might a person who does drink alcohol. I don’t see that there is necessarily a correlation between that and abstinence from alcohol or between alcohol consumption and avoiding excess in other areas. Edited June 5, 2022 by Scott Lloyd
Scott Lloyd Posted June 5, 2022 Posted June 5, 2022 On 5/31/2022 at 9:39 PM, Jaydes said: Interestingly, God has said in the word of wisdom that beer is good for us. I don’t concede this assertion.
Scott Lloyd Posted June 5, 2022 Posted June 5, 2022 On 5/31/2022 at 1:10 PM, Kenngo1969 said: Interesting that it's the color of the glass that counts more than the color of the wine: So he could drink a red glass of rosé wine or a red glass of white wine and it would clear his allergies right up, huh? I went looking and found this online. It doesn’t make any therapeutic claims, though, that I can see. https://www.perigold.com/VIETRI--Contessa-All-Purpose-Wine-Glass-CTAR8810-L1235-K~VTER2295.html?refid=GX204806639681-VTER2295_45237216&device=m&ptid=834403989001&targetid=pla-834403989001&ireid=97547869&PiID[]=45237216&gbraid=0AAAAADLNIe2D5kESHUTjATndbTToFNVUA&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqPGUBhDwARIsANNwjV5ooV9e2r29dxbIDM-yV7bk9-CHczx2z6j93hcJHgt2C6PvB_AQvT0aAlbgEALw_wcB 1
Kenngo1969 Posted June 5, 2022 Posted June 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said: I went looking and found this online. It doesn’t make any therapeutic claims, though, that I can see. https://www.perigold.com/VIETRI--Contessa-All-Purpose-Wine-Glass-CTAR8810-L1235-K~VTER2295.html?refid=GX204806639681-VTER2295_45237216&device=m&ptid=834403989001&targetid=pla-834403989001&ireid=97547869&PiID[]=45237216&gbraid=0AAAAADLNIe2D5kESHUTjATndbTToFNVUA&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqPGUBhDwARIsANNwjV5ooV9e2r29dxbIDM-yV7bk9-CHczx2z6j93hcJHgt2C6PvB_AQvT0aAlbgEALw_wcB
california boy Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 14 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: And you have no greater province to tell Church members what they “should stick with” pertaining to the Word of Wisdom than I do to tell non-members what they should believe regarding it. Seriously? You are going to chastise me for me encouraging members to obey the WoW because they believe it comes from God??? 1
Scott Lloyd Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, california boy said: Seriously? You are going to chastise me for me encouraging members to obey the WoW because they believe it comes from God??? That’s not what I’m doing, and you know it. I acknowledged that is THE main and most important reason for observing it. It’s right there in my post in plain English. Your leaving out that portion of my post in an effort to distort my meaning is a clumsy and transparent attempt at sophistry. What I AM doing is highlighting your dismissive arrogance in telling believing Church members they shouldn’t look for and find other benefits, including practical and non-religious ones, that come from Word of Wisdom observance. Edited June 6, 2022 by Scott Lloyd
teddyaware Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 On 1/21/2022 at 9:33 AM, smac97 said: Here: I agree that this notion is "widespread," so much so that I think I - a teetotaler - had subconsciously bought into it. Living in Utah County, and being surrounded mostly by family and friends who are - like me - teetotalers, it has been a while since I have personally observed the alcohol-as-social-lubricant thing. It was most acutely obvious to me when I was in the Army. A fair number of my friends seemed more or less incapable of enjoying themselves in an informal social setting without alcohol as a part of it. And this often led to contests, party tricks, etc. that involved even more alcohol consumption. Huh. I hadn't really thought of these claims as possibly deriving from "the alcohol industry." I'd like to see if there is evidence of that. I wonder when this "switch" happened. Are they referencing Covid? Or did this switch happen much earlier? Wow. That said, according to WHO "at least 2.8 million people {are} dying each year as a result of being overweight or obese." We Latter-day Saints have a pretty big beam in our own eye. "Any level of alcohol consumption can lead to loss of healthy life." "Any." Three cheers for teetotaling! Huh. Time to relegate this one to the "Urban Legend" dustbin, I guess. I think this is the only feasible approach to take. We can't ban alcohol, as we've seen how that goes. We can impose some constraints (not driving while intoxicated, etc.), but otherwise we can only present data and then let individuals choose for themselves. That said, I think there is much to be said for teetotaling. Thoughts? Thanks, -Smac As I understand it, the “one drink a day is good for you” saying is mostly based on the belief that one glass of red wine a day is good for you because red wine contains a potent antioxidant called resveratrol. Resveratrol has been shown to have potent anti-inflammatory, anti-carcinogenic, vasorelaxant and cardioprotective properties. But a much cheaper alternative to drinking red wine daily is to take a quality resveratrol nutritional supplement every day at a fraction of the cost of a glass of red wine. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, teddyaware said: As I understand it, the “one drink a day is good for you” saying is mostly based on the belief that one glass of red wine a day is good for you because red wine contains a potent antioxidant called resveratrol. Resveratrol has been shown to have potent anti-inflammatory, anti-carcinogenic, vasorelaxant and cardioprotective properties. But a much cheaper alternative to drinking red wine daily is to take a quality resveratrol nutritional supplement every day at a fraction of the cost of a glass of red wine. Is grape juice a source of reservatrol?
teddyaware Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Is grape juice a source of reservatrol? There’s much higher resveratrol and flavonoid content in red wine. Red grape juice is also a good source, although fresh juice is probably better than than the sugary, processed versions. And one can also simply choose to eat red grapes. Edited June 6, 2022 by teddyaware
Scott Lloyd Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 17 hours ago, teddyaware said: There’s much higher resveratrol and flavonoid content in red wine. Red grape juice is also a good source, although fresh juice is probably better than than the sugary, processed versions. And one can also simply choose to eat red grapes. Eating fresh fruit in place of drinking alcohol daily — what a concept! 1
Saint Bonaventure Posted June 8, 2022 Posted June 8, 2022 In LDS teaching is there a difference between the use and misuse of alcohol?
Calm Posted June 8, 2022 Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Saint Bonaventure said: In LDS teaching is there a difference between the use and misuse of alcohol? You can drink quite small amounts of alcohol as part of medication, such as Nyquil and in tinctures, though I know of some who will avoid that as well, just as many will avoid green tea supplements. However, any use of alcohol recreationally is out of bounds. Cooking with alcohol has varied opinions, as some see it as cooking off enough, while others see it as recreational use. I tried making my own vanilla extract once with alcohol and vanilla beans. Either wasn’t patient enough or didn’t use enough beans. It got poured down the drain. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/word-of-wisdom?lang=eng Brief history of development of WoW https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/revelations-in-context/the-word-of-wisdom?lang=eng Edited June 8, 2022 by Calm 2
SteelMagnoliainTexas Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 The bible does say , "a little wine for the stomach's sake.". My father in law had a triple bipass and he had to watch his diet closely and drink wine. The wine helped his circulation. I think we should stay with the la s the bible gave us and not put people into a bondage of "no this, no that". You become religous when you start adding rules and regulations . What if the church forbade marriage? You really have to look to Gods word and quit torturing yourself to please others because we have freedom....just "all things are lawful but all things are not expediant." So if you believe you can just drink a glass at home in private. You don't want to make a show of your freedom Infront of someone who is weak in this.
california boy Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 On 6/6/2022 at 6:39 AM, Scott Lloyd said: That’s not what I’m doing, and you know it. I acknowledged that is THE main and most important reason for observing it. It’s right there in my post in plain English. Your leaving out that portion of my post in an effort to distort my meaning is a clumsy and transparent attempt at sophistry. What I AM doing is highlighting your dismissive arrogance in telling believing Church members they shouldn’t look for and find other benefits, including practical and non-religious ones, that come from Word of Wisdom observance. Whatever Scott. You are going to have to find another guy to pick a fight with. I am not interested. 1
Kenngo1969 Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 9 hours ago, SteelMagnoliainTexas said: ... I think we should stay with the la s the bible gave us and not put people into a bondage of "no this, no that". ... Hmm. So how do you reconcile this interpretive rule with the fact that the Holy Bible itself has a fair share of "Thou shalt nots ..." (see, e.g., Exodus 20:3-17)? 3
Calm Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 Another study indicating alcohol is more dangerous… https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00847-9/fulltext#seccestitle140 This is easier to read though… https://fortune.com/2022/07/15/alcohol-study-lancet-young-adults-should-not-drink-bill-melinda-gates-foundation/ Quote People under the age of 40 start risking their health if they consume any more than two teaspoons of wine or two and a half tablespoons of beer per day, a new study suggests. The analysis—part of the wider Global Burden of Disease study—was funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and published in The Lancet medical journal on Thursday. It found that for young adults between the ages of 15 and 39, there were zero health benefits—only risks—associated with drinking alcohol. Globally, almost 60% of people who consumed unsafe amounts of alcohol in 2020 fell into this age bracket, according to the findings. 2
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