Jamie Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, ksfisher said: Speciation is the evolutionary process by which populations evolve to become distinct species. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation Okay. I was hoping you would somehow describe the process of evolution rather than only say that species evolve. Can you describe Speciation without using the word evolve or evolution, simply describing what supposedly happens?
katherine the great Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, Jamie said: Apparently we both have the same regard for each other's viewpoint and I will now say the same to you. Um. I have a pretty solid background in biology. 😊 2
ksfisher Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jamie said: I was hoping you would somehow describe the process of evolution Take 8 minutes and watch the video.
Jamie Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Calm said: This assumes that those of the same glory leave his presence. If we become one with God, then perhaps at that time we are always with him in some fashion. I said if, so no it was not an assumption. And I was talking about being in his physical presence, close enough to actually see him in his physical form.
Jamie Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, ksfisher said: Take 8 minutes and watch the video. I had a reason for asking for your words in print. I will settle for anyone's words in print as they describe the process of Speciation without using the word evolution or evolve to describe the changes that take place and whether or not that change can reasonably considered an advancement or stage of progression as one species becomes something other than what it was. I used my own words to describe what supposedly happens, according to those who say they believe in evolution, but apparently I need another witness to back up what I've been saying.
ksfisher Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jamie said: and whether or not that change can reasonably considered an advancement or stage of progression as one species becomes something other than what it was Katherine has explained that evolution is not an advancement or progression, it is a change.
Jamie Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, katherine the great said: Um. I have a pretty solid background in biology. 😊 Okay, and if I understood you correctly you were saying you don't regard evolutionary changes as advancements for a species, or the idea that one kind of being or species is more advanced than some other kind of being or species. So in my mind I am understanding you to be saying that you don't regard a person, aka human, as a more advanced kind of being than a single cell organism, or a cat or dog or whale or monkey. To you, we're just different. Not more advanced, in any way. Is that a correct understanding of what your solid background in biology has taught you or did I somehow misunderstand what you were saying?
katherine the great Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, Jamie said: Okay, and if I understood you correctly you were saying you don't regard evolutionary changes as advancements for a species, or the idea that one kind of being or species is more advanced than some other kind of being or species. So in my mind I am understanding you to be saying that you don't regard a person, aka human, as a more advanced kind of being than a single cell organism, or a cat or dog or whale or monkey. To you, we're just different. Not more advanced, in any way. Is that a correct understanding of what your solid background in biology has taught you or did I somehow misunderstand what you were saying? Are you being intentionally obtuse? There’s a difference between complexity and advancement. 2
Calm Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 44 minutes ago, Jamie said: And I was talking about being in his physical presence, close enough to actually see him in his physical form. True. But that may not be what matters in the eternities.
Fair Dinkum Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 16 hours ago, Fair Dinkum said: Faith or belief can’t dismiss this evidence. I challenge you to watch this. The evidence is beyond dispute. Humans and chimpanzees evolved from a common ancestor that’s just the truth faith as well intentioned as it might be must be built on facts not fiction. Faith in fiction is a damnable false hope. - Thomas Edison 13 hours ago, Jamie said: There are no scriptures that state this planet is only 6000 years old. There are scriptures that indicate this planet was created about 6000 years ago but it has since been made clear that when it was created it was made from matter that already existed. Which means this planet or what it is made of is older than the number of years since when it was created. Your question is strange and in summary my answer is no. I can lead Jamie to knowledge but I can’t make him/her educated.
Jamie Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, katherine the great said: Are you being intentionally obtuse? There’s a difference between complexity and advancement. No, it is never intentional. Who would ever intentionally choose to be obtuse? Maybe I just need some help to understand how something can become more complex without some type of advancement/ additional advantage/ something added to one that is not added to the other / as I understand what an advancement is.
Jamie Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, Calm said: True. But that may not be what matters in the eternities. I'm trying to prepare for that if that is the case. Hard to imagine even only the celestial people being able to remain in his physical presence forever. So I am consistently trying to develop my mind reading abilities to be able to read his mind from wherever I am regardless of where he is, as well as I can.
Calm Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jamie said: develop my mind reading abilities t You will need to make it clear whether you are joking here or serious.
Jamie Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, Fair Dinkum said: I can lead Jamie to knowledge but I can’t make him/her educated. It works that way for everybody, I believe. God and Satan can give us thoughts and feelings without words but we can only use words, plus maybe some body language when in the physical presence of others. We can't make or force anyone to believe anything we say, which is probably a good thing too because sometimes we are wrong when we say sometimes.
Jamie Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, Calm said: You will need to make it clear whether you are joking here or serious. Serious. Prayer for me is all about trying to read the mind of God when he shares a thought with me, and when I am trying to understand what he is thinking and communicating with me with his mind.
ksfisher Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/04/210426154805.htm Good article. "In total, the researchers found 407 sequences that represented a change in expression in modern humans compared to our predecessors. Among that list, genes that affect the cerebellum and genes that affect the voice box, pharynx, larynx and vocal cords seem to be overrepresented." '"This would suggest some kind of rapid evolution of those organs or some kind of a path that is specific to modern humans," said Gokhman." 1
MiserereNobis Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Jamie said: The reason there are still some single cell organisms is because some have not "advanced" as some others have. Which is the same reason given for why there are still a myriad of other "lower" life forms. Some of any kind of being advance and others of that same kind do not. And those that advance sometimes advance in ways that are different than how others of the same kind advance. Anyway, this is my understanding of what evolution is all about, by those who believe beings and different kinds of beings evolve. And it is apparently okay in the scientific community to have various and multiple understandings of evolution. 2 hours ago, Jamie said: Apparently we both have the same regard for each other's viewpoint and I will now say the same to you. 52 minutes ago, Jamie said: No, it is never intentional. Who would ever intentionally choose to be obtuse? Maybe I just need some help to understand how something can become more complex without some type of advancement/ additional advantage/ something added to one that is not added to the other / as I understand what an advancement is. 35 minutes ago, Jamie said: Serious. Prayer for me is all about trying to read the mind of God when he shares a thought with me, and when I am trying to understand what he is thinking and communicating with me with his mind. Welcome back, Ahab! We'd missed you since your last account went silent 1
Fair Dinkum Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Jamie said: Okay. I was hoping you would somehow describe the process of evolution rather than only say that species evolve. Can you describe Speciation without using the word evolve or evolution, simply describing what supposedly happens? “Adapting to their environment” or “adaptive radiation”. Take the finches of Darwin fame in the Galápagos Islands All distantly related from a common main land ancestor yet 15 diverse species took about 2 million years
Calm Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Jamie said: Serious. Prayer for me is all about trying to read the mind of God when he shares a thought with me, and when I am trying to understand what he is thinking and communicating with me with his mind. As long as you limit it to God...
Calm Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 40 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said: Welcome back, Ahab! We'd missed you since your last account went silent I am leaning that way too.
Jamie Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, MiserereNobis said: Welcome back, Ahab! We'd missed you since your last account went silent Prepare for this account to go silent too soon. The board Nemesis is out to get me and you people who keep pointing me out to him are just helping him get rid of me. I am just trying to have some fun sharing some ideas while I can.
Calm Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Jamie said: Prepare for this account to go silent too soon. The board Nemesis is out to get me and you people who keep pointing me out to him are just helping him get rid of me. I am just trying to have some fun sharing some ideas while I can. That is because sock puppets are not allowed. So you are basically misrepresenting your intent every time you start a new alias while agreeing to abide by board terms. If “Ahab” got suspended, you need to be patient and wait until the moderator lifts it. Trying to get around it will just delay the process and might make the moderator ban you for good.
Jamie Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 48 minutes ago, Calm said: As long as you limit it to God... Other people try to share their thoughts with me too, so in a sense I am also trying to read their minds when I try to understand what they are saying. You included. The words are like clues. Sometimes it seems that pure thoughts make it a lot easier.
Jamie Posted May 14, 2021 Posted May 14, 2021 Just now, Calm said: That is because sock puppets are not allowed. So you are basically misrepresenting your intent every time you start a new alias while agreeing to abide by board terms. If “Ahab” got suspended, you need to be patient and wait until the moderator lifts it. Trying to get around it will just delay the process and might make the moderator ban you for good. Ahab got banned. So now what am I supposed to do? Say goodbye to all of you folks forever? I don't think so.
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