Meadowchik Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 Either personal salvation and exaltation exist until death, or they extend onward. Either way, I think that learning and attitude are much more important than religion or belief in God.
mfbukowski Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Meadowchik said: Either personal salvation and exaltation exist until death, or they extend onward. Either way, I think that learning and attitude are much more important than religion or belief in God. Whatever.
Calm Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Meadowchik said: Then another poster interjected to tell me that I should know that my reasoning comes from God. Do you think that is a fair statement? I don’t think it is reasonable to expect someone who doesn’t believe in God or isn’t certain of his existence to know that their reasoning comes from God (if that is the “should” meaning they are using). If the other meaning.....I don’t actually know if all “good” reasoning comes directly from God. I see God as generally less hands on than many as I see mortality as a time for us to experiment without Mom and Dad hovering, so to speak. I do believe the fact (for me) we are members of God’s family creates a family bond that for many leads to value judgments that are from godly morality because that is how we were raised premortality. Quote I'm not sure what the issue is, then. I think the direction of my comment may have gotten confused with another’s, not going to try and recreate it at this point. Edited March 17, 2020 by Calm
mfbukowski Posted March 17, 2020 Posted March 17, 2020 9 hours ago, Meadowchik said: Either personal salvation and exaltation exist until death, or they extend onward. Either way, I think that learning and attitude are much more important than religion or belief in God. All you are doing is substituting other beliefs for the same function a belief in God provides for others, and you are doing it repeatedly using different semantics and you don't see it. And that first sentence? There are perhaps thousands of different alternatives between the two false dichotomies you are pushing. "Salvation" exists until death? Hard to conceive of what that means. One could argue that salvation is a minute-to-minute state of mind, or who knows what other idea one could make up. This appears to me to be going nowhere.
Meadowchik Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, mfbukowski said: All you are doing is substituting other beliefs for the same function a belief in God provides for others, and you are doing it repeatedly using different semantics and you don't see it. ... This appears to me to be going nowhere. Yes, it appears to be going nowhere. You have not identified the philosophical problem (instability, inconsistency, etc...) with my best guess that I exist. Or with my decision to value that accepted fact, or with my best guess that others exist as well, and my decision to value that accepted information. You seem to have already decided that everybody in the world who believes in something actually believe in God and are just using semantics to replace God. Edited March 18, 2020 by Meadowchik
Meadowchik Posted March 18, 2020 Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, mfbukowski said: ... And that first sentence? There are perhaps thousands of different alternatives between the two false dichotomies you are pushing. "Salvation" exists until death? Hard to conceive of what that means. One could argue that salvation is a minute-to-minute state of mind, or who knows what other idea one could make up. ... If time for the individual ends at death, then what does salvation and exaltation mean? Are they meaningless? I don't think so. Of course it's not just time that defines them, but the quality of the state. Consider the descriptions of those states and apply them to the now, as one would do in an eternal timeline. One dimension of a "salvation" state right now might be the application of the Golden Rule, to treat others as we would have them treat us. I like the Golden Rule, but guess what? Jesus offered an even higher law, to do unto others as he does unto us. That's a more excellent standard, one might call it an "exaltation" standard. I'm using Biblical references, but the Biblical context is not the original or only setting of these ideas. As Bill and Ted say, "Be excellent to each other." Edited March 18, 2020 by Meadowchik
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