I'm beginning to have a tithing problem, only not in the traditional sense

[Jake Starkey]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

But why did they make the decision?  You haven’t explained that as far as I can remember. 

And I won't.

[Calm]

1 minute ago, Jake Starkey said:

And I won't.

Then that is as useful and interesting as telling us someone has decided to start wearing green shirts to church, imo.

[Jake Starkey]

Not at all, but believe it by all means.  Their reasons are their business and not yours.

[Scott Lloyd]

2 hours ago, Jake Starkey said:

I am not worrying about your "satisfaction" at all.  I am faithfully telling you what they have told me.  They apparently are saying this is their decision to make and are not worried about what the Bishop or me or you think.

Therefore, what?

[Calm]

39 minutes ago, Jake Starkey said:

Not at all, but believe it by all means.  Their reasons are their business and not yours.

I have no problem with them.  I think it is great they have found a method of supporting the Church they feel committed to.  The Church has great programs and the money given will likely benefit many (assuming decent incomes and retirement).  If three of my friends had told me this info, I would see no reason to intrude on their privacy by sharing any of  their business here.

You were the one sharing their business though, I was just trying to find out why you were.  Since it contributed nothing in terms of understanding their or others' viewpoints, I still haven't a clue what you think you might have accomplished.

So it is only your usage of them acting as if you were sharing useful information that I take issue with.  Comes across more like gossip.  Very confusing.

[Jake Starkey]

Thank you.

[Metis_LDS]

12 hours ago, Calm said:

Then that is as useful and interesting as telling us someone has decided to start wearing green shirts to church, imo.

I think we really need a thread about green 😄 shirts to clear the air. It might be useful and interesting don't you think?  Before starting the thread we really need to agree on what shade of green we will be discussing.

Edited November 26, 2019 by Metis_LDS
addition for clarity

[Jake Starkey]

. . . and the type of patterns.

[10THAmendment]

This is exactly what I was afraid of. 

[Calm]

3 hours ago, 10THAmendment said:

This is exactly what I was afraid of. 

Sage green shirts with stripes of white?

[Tacenda]

On 11/21/2019 at 4:31 PM, Hamba Tuhan said:

This is, I think, the third time this year that you have made this demonstrably false statement.

You have not addressed Harper's paper on this have you, maybe that's why I keep bringing it up. 

 

On 11/21/2019 at 10:28 PM, Tacenda said:

Your quotes don't include the quote I mentioned: "Furthermore, I want to say to you, we may not be able to reach it right away, but we expect to see the day when we will not have to ask you for one dollar of donation for any purpose, except that which you volunteer to give of your own accord, because we will have tithes sufficient in the storehouse of the Lord to pay everything that is needful for the advancement of the kingdom of God. I want to live to see that day, if the Lord will spare my life. It does not make any difference, though, so far as that is concerned, whether I live or not. That is the true policy, the true purpose of the Lord in the management of the affairs of His Church." 

After Calm's response to me, I second guessed myself on how I read the quote in context. I read over 2 to three pages with the above quote sandwiched in. And I still hold to it being tithing. I really hoped I could have c/p'd the thread that occurred in 2018, but kept getting the '403 forbidden' alert, I have know idea why. Maybe someone can inform me how best to share that topic that Cinepro posted and we could gain insight into it. 

But we all have different perceptions of things...like I told Calm.  What do you think about the news article I shared? About church historian Stephen Harper saying what he did about tithing? How it has evolved to be what it is now, compared to the early days?https://kutv.com/news/local/new-historical-information-reveals-original-meaning-of-lds-tithing?fbclid=IwAR0YJkVysg1bkLsXhNIdyXrm6CJ2qZgQ1OTFoXj9hb_qVsMhauuUqAF1ezk

ETA: Going to try again for fun: http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/70631-joseph-f-smith-and-the-end-of-tithing/

Yay, it worked!

ETA: Ran out of posts, so I cannot respond until tomorrow sometime, in case you need me to.

ETA once again: @Hamba Tuhan

It appears to correlate to Pres. Snow saying tithing is on increase not income. 

Steven Harper, a former BYU professor who now works at the LDS Church History Department, said tithing was originally based on net worth - not income.

Calm: "I don't see how you can ignore what he says immediately before and after your quote.  If JFS believes the law of tithing is the law of Church revenue, is the "true policy", how can you interpret his comments as he sees a time when the law of tithing is no longer a part of the Church?" @Calm In answer to your question in quotes: I believe what he's saying before and after has to do with making sure the members are paying current tithes. The inbetween is the -one day it'll happen that members won't have to pay tithes but still donate voluntarily-aspect, IMO. 

 

[Hamba Tuhan]

45 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

You have not addressed Harper's paper on this have you, maybe that's why I keep bringing it up. 

I see zero evidence that you engaged with or even read what Calm and I posted in relation to this back in November (or when you addressed the topic on multiple earlier occasions). From my perspective, your deep psychological need to discount tithing filters everything anyone might say to or share with you, including the clear and unambiguous teachings of the prophets whom your sources like to quote misleadingly. I therefore have zero interest in responding further. Sorry.