Meerkat Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 The difficulty with saying "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is that it's a mouthful and we want to say it fast. A friend of ours said a couple of Christian golfers asked him what church he belonged to. When he said "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" quickly, they gave each other knowing looks... Afterwards, he thought it would have been better and more accurate to say "I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ (pause) of Latter-day Saints." Then the mere mention of it's name would be more like a testimony of it. He's right. It takes a little practice, but saying it over and over that way several times helps prepare us how to answer when we are asked "What church do you attend?" 4
Avatar4321 Posted October 13, 2018 Author Posted October 13, 2018 8 hours ago, Calm said: I am not going to get much chance to speak a language anyway, lol, so sounds good to me. I doubt President Nelson expected much chance to speak Mandarin when he took up the Lord's command to learn it. Opportunities come when we are ready
Bernard Gui Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Meerkat said: The difficulty with saying "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is that it's a mouthful and we want to say it fast. A friend of ours said a couple of Christian golfers asked him what church he belonged to. When he said "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" quickly, they gave each other knowing looks... Afterwards, he thought it would have been better and more accurate to say "I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ (pause) of Latter-day Saints." Then the mere mention of it's name would be more like a testimony of it. He's right. It takes a little practice, but saying it over and over that way several times helps prepare us how to answer when we are asked "What church do you attend?" La Iglesia de Jesucristo..... de los Santos de los Últimos Días. Anyone know other languages.
rongo Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 10 hours ago, Stargazer said: I had wondered about it, but it seemed like the method wouldn't help someone learning to speak it. Understand and read, maybe. I'm using it to learn some Czech, while my parents are there. As you said, it is good for helping a novice learn words and phrases for reading, but not really for speaking. But as my Czech is non-existent, that's okay. As a language teacher, I shake my head at the marketing techniques for things like Rosetta Stone ("no more boring drills or vocabulary lists. Just watch the videos and soak it in!"). It doesn't work that way, and being able to actually talk to other people entails "boring" hard work and lots of practice. Many people today seem to want to learn a language using the Harold Hill "Think Method." Speaking of which, here is an outstanding talk by a BYU Arabic professor linking the process of becoming fluent in a language with the process of becoming fluent with the Spirit. I love how he compares the various levels of competency. https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/dilworth-b-parkinson_received-need/ 2
Stargazer Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, rongo said: I'm using it to learn some Czech, while my parents are there. As you said, it is good for helping a novice learn words and phrases for reading, but not really for speaking. But as my Czech is non-existent, that's okay. As a language teacher, I shake my head at the marketing techniques for things like Rosetta Stone ("no more boring drills or vocabulary lists. Just watch the videos and soak it in!"). It doesn't work that way, and being able to actually talk to other people entails "boring" hard work and lots of practice. Many people today seem to want to learn a language using the Harold Hill "Think Method." Speaking of which, here is an outstanding talk by a BYU Arabic professor linking the process of becoming fluent in a language with the process of becoming fluent with the Spirit. I love how he compares the various levels of competency. https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/dilworth-b-parkinson_received-need/ Cool talk! My wife was trying to learn German using Rosetta Stone software, before we met. She has visited Austria every year, sometimes twice per year, since she loves mountains, and can now speak and understand very rudimentary German -- and the Rosetta Stone seems to have helped a little, but not much. I have been considering buying her a subscription to it (because you can't buy software media any longer), but it's expensive and I'm not sure how helpful it would really be. I'm fluent in German -- less so now than 20 years ago -- but I'm not a good teacher, apparently (I resonate a bit with Prof Dilworth's "To be perfectly honest, teaching a foreign language to adult learners is just about as frustrating as learning one is"). Maybe I should try the Language Training Mission (pre-MTC!) method of "Living Your Language". How would that work out, I wonder, making her communicate with me entirely in German for a week or so? Hmmm. One of our ward members is a German teacher in school -- perhaps she could get private instruction? Maybe I could teach her myself, after all, if I had a curriculum. <--- Might you have any suggestions along this line? Some years ago I bought a Pimsleur language course in Spanish. I used it for a time, and though I wasn't very diligent (and have not yet completed it), I felt like it was taking me some ways towards actually being able speak it. The few times I tried to interact with a Spanish speaker, I was told I had a good accent -- for what that's worth. The other week I bought a Spanish Book of Mormon and thought I might try to read it in company with an English-Spanish dictionary. I'll see if this takes me further. Have you heard of the YouTube channel "Langfocus"? It's some Canadian guy named Paul who lives in Japan and I think teaches English there. He's a language junkie apparently, and his channel focuses on languages (duh!) and I find it fascinating. His take on the German language is HERE. For an amuinteresting look at "Anglish", which is English without Romance or other non-Germanic language add-ons. see HERE. Edited to add: that word, "amuinteresting," started as "amusing", then I decided it should be "interesting" and replaced it. Except obviously I only replaced part of it -- I just saw this and was about to fix it, but decided it was a great coining! "Wow, that's amuinteresting!" It's both amusing and interesting! Edited October 13, 2018 by Stargazer 2
Avatar4321 Posted October 13, 2018 Author Posted October 13, 2018 1 hour ago, rongo said: I'm using it to learn some Czech, while my parents are there. As you said, it is good for helping a novice learn words and phrases for reading, but not really for speaking. But as my Czech is non-existent, that's okay. As a language teacher, I shake my head at the marketing techniques for things like Rosetta Stone ("no more boring drills or vocabulary lists. Just watch the videos and soak it in!"). It doesn't work that way, and being able to actually talk to other people entails "boring" hard work and lots of practice. Many people today seem to want to learn a language using the Harold Hill "Think Method." Speaking of which, here is an outstanding talk by a BYU Arabic professor linking the process of becoming fluent in a language with the process of becoming fluent with the Spirit. I love how he compares the various levels of competency. https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/dilworth-b-parkinson_received-need/ I’m going to have to remember that talk
Avatar4321 Posted October 13, 2018 Author Posted October 13, 2018 48 minutes ago, Stargazer said: Cool talk! My wife was trying to learn German using Rosetta Stone software, before we met. She has visited Austria every year, sometimes twice per year, since she loves mountains, and can now speak and understand very rudimentary German -- and the Rosetta Stone seems to have helped a little, but not much. I have been considering buying her a subscription to it (because you can't buy software media any longer), but it's expensive and I'm not sure how helpful it would really be. I'm fluent in German -- less so now than 20 years ago -- but I'm not a good teacher, apparently (I resonate a bit with Prof Dilworth's "To be perfectly honest, teaching a foreign language to adult learners is just about as frustrating as learning one is"). Maybe I should try the Language Training Mission (pre-MTC!) method of "Living Your Language". How would that work out, I wonder, making her communicate with me entirely in German for a week or so? Hmmm. One of our ward members is a German teacher in school -- perhaps she could get private instruction? Maybe I could teach her myself, after all, if I had a curriculum. <--- Might you have any suggestions along this line? Some years ago I bought a Pimsleur language course in Spanish. I used it for a time, and though I wasn't very diligent (and have not yet completed it), I felt like it was taking me some ways towards actually being able speak it. The few times I tried to interact with a Spanish speaker, I was told I had a good accent -- for what that's worth. The other week I bought a Spanish Book of Mormon and thought I might try to read it in company with an English-Spanish dictionary. I'll see if this takes me further. Have you heard of the YouTube channel "Langfocus"? It's some Canadian guy named Paul who lives in Japan and I think teaches English there. He's a language junkie apparently, and his channel focuses on languages (duh!) and I find it fascinating. His take on the German language is HERE. For an amuinteresting look at "Anglish", which is English without Romance or other non-Germanic language add-ons. see HERE. I’ve been learning some basic German. What’s the name of the Church in German? The lessons I have don’t focus on spirituality much
Stargazer Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 47 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: I’ve been learning some basic German. What’s the name of the Church in German? The lessons I have don’t focus on spirituality much Kirche Jesu Christi der Heiligen der Letzten Tage. You'll note that "Jesus Christ" is "Jesus Christus" in German, which comes from Latin -- and "Jesu Christi" is the Latin genitive (possessive) case: "of Jesus Christ"; or "belonging to Jesus Christ".
rongo Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Avatar4321 said: I’ve been learning some basic German. What’s the name of the Church in German? The lessons I have don’t focus on spirituality much Cool tidbit on that (which got a big laugh a couple of weeks ago at Church. There is an elderly man in my ward who was baptized in Osnabrueck in the 1960s). We were talking German, and I had asked him if they were using the French word "etage (ay-tajh) for "floor of a building" back then (he was familiar with it). The German word would be "Stock" or "Stockwerk," but in at least the last 30 years or so, most people have used the French word (Russian does, too). Anyway, as missionaries it seemed like a disproportionate number of members lived on the top floor of their apartment buildings. So, I joked, we could just knock on the top floor apartments and ignore the rest of the building. Because, after all, we are die Kirche Jesu Christi der Heiligen . . . (Church of Jesus Christ of the Saints . . .) der letzten Etage (of the last floor) --- der letzten Tage (of the last days) (compared to the actual) Edited October 13, 2018 by rongo 3
Calm Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) I have decided to go with "Latter-day Saint Christianity" in place of "Mormonism" unless I come across a better suggestion. Figure for most people I am discussing that with it will work to identify which denomination of Christianity I am talking about. A bit bulkier, but it's not like I don't use an excessive amount of words anyway, so the only one it will likely be noticeable to is myself. What I really need to do is get back to writing using my laptop as if typing lengthy words don't bug me because I am relatively fast, but one finger tapping on the iPad I like abbreviations. Edited October 13, 2018 by Calm 1
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