JAHS Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 President Nelson bears witness of Jesus Christ in new video The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has released a new video of President Russell M. Nelson testifying of the Savior, Jesus Christ. Hard to believe that anyone could watch this and not understand that we are Christian. 3
Robert F. Smith Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 2 hours ago, JAHS said: President Nelson bears witness of Jesus Christ in new video The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has released a new video of President Russell M. Nelson testifying of the Savior, Jesus Christ. Did you notice that it was issued on the "Mormon Channel"? 2 hours ago, JAHS said: Hard to believe that anyone could watch this and not understand that we are Christian.................. The definition of "Christian" varies according to specific theologies. Thus, those who do not accept the Council of Nicaea are typically excluded from "Christianity." Just bandying about the name of Jesus Christ does not make one a "Christian." 1
JLHPROF Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: Thus, those who do not accept the Council of Nicaea are typically excluded from "Christianity." And incorrectly so unfortunately.
JAHS Posted August 25, 2018 Author Posted August 25, 2018 9 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Did you notice that it was issued on the "Mormon Channel"? Not sure what they will change that name to. 9 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: The definition of "Christian" varies according to specific theologies. Thus, those who do not accept the Council of Nicaea are typically excluded from "Christianity." Just bandying about the name of Jesus Christ does not make one a "Christian." Yes. Instead of Christian I should probably say christian (little c).
Robert F. Smith Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 59 minutes ago, JAHS said: ............................................ Yes. Instead of Christian I should probably say christian (little c). It is arguable that the Mormons are the only authentic "Christians," and that the rest are out of harmony with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, "having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof" (2 Tim 3:5). It is so odd to see Mormons lusting after the title "Christian," as defined by the apostate churches. 3
JAHS Posted August 25, 2018 Author Posted August 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: It is arguable that the Mormons are the only authentic "Christians," and that the rest are out of harmony with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, "having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof" (2 Tim 3:5). It is so odd to see Mormons lusting after the title "Christian," as defined by the apostate churches. I don't think Mormons are lusting after it as define by other churches; we just want to be recognized as a church that bases its doctrines after Jesus and that we worship Him as our savior and redeemer. 3
RevTestament Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: It is arguable that the Mormons are the only authentic "Christians," and that the rest are out of harmony with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, "having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof" (2 Tim 3:5). It is so odd to see Mormons lusting after the title "Christian," as defined by the apostate churches. I do not lust after the title Christian as defined by apostate churches. As I have said as I see it they believe in a different Christ than I do. However, Christians were first called such in the days of the early apostles. It was a term which applied to authentic followers of Christ. I cannot help the fact that over centuries the title got hijacked by men who made up their own theologies. Being called LDS Christian is a reference to followers of the restored gospel as taught and meant by Christ imho. The title Mormon as I understand it was applied to us by apostate Christians who wished to avoid the implications of persecuting other Christians. Why should we adopt that for ourselves? I don't think Joseph Smith intended for us to call the Church the Mormon Church, but by accepting the appellation Mormon, we are unwittingly paving the road to be called the Mormon Church. I like the title LDS Christian because I feel it best fits who I see myself as - a follower of the restored gospel of Christ in these Latter Days, and it reminds me that I should act saintly - something I need to remind myself to do as I tend to stray from this goal. In essence LDS Christian redefines the word for me to refer to a Christian of the restored gospel. I like it, and am keeping it. 1
JAHS Posted August 25, 2018 Author Posted August 25, 2018 1 hour ago, RevTestament said: I like the title LDS Christian In light of the recent announcement you migt have to change that to the long version, "Latter-day Saint Christian"
Maidservant Posted August 25, 2018 Posted August 25, 2018 He basically announced the return of the Lord as well.
JAHS Posted August 26, 2018 Author Posted August 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Maidservant said: He basically announced the return of the Lord as well. Well that's a basic doctrine of the church that others have declared also. But it's interesting he used siimilar words that Elder Bruce R McConkie said just before he died. Presiden Nelson: In a coming day the Lord will return to this holy land. Edler McConkie: I am one of his witnesses, and in a coming day I shall feel the nail marks in his hands and in his feet and shall wet his feet with my tears.
Guest Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 On August 24, 2018 at 10:37 PM, JAHS said: President Nelson bears witness of Jesus Christ in new video The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has released a new video of President Russell M. Nelson testifying of the Savior, Jesus Christ. Hard to believe that anyone could watch this and not understand that we are Christian. I know this is a remake of the first time this was posted, as in the "same witness" that President Hinckley proclaimed, as President of the Church. My internet is slow tonight, but could not pull up President Hinckley's use the entire name of the Book of Mormon, as in "The Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ"? President Nelson only spoke of "Another Testament of Jesus Christ", was this an effort to avoid the name, "Mormon", per his instruction?
Avatar4321 Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 On 8/25/2018 at 10:50 AM, JAHS said: I don't think Mormons are lusting after it as define by other churches; we just want to be recognized as a church that bases its doctrines after Jesus and that we worship Him as our savior and redeemer. I would just like people not to be deceived and have that prevent them from coming to Christ
JAHS Posted August 30, 2018 Author Posted August 30, 2018 52 minutes ago, Bill "Papa" Lee said: I know this is a remake of the first time this was posted, as in the "same witness" that President Hinckley proclaimed, as President of the Church. My internet is slow tonight, but could not pull up President Hinckley's use the entire name of the Book of Mormon, as in "The Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ"? President Nelson only spoke of "Another Testament of Jesus Christ", was this an effort to avoid the name, "Mormon", per his instruction? I don't think so because the name of that scripture is never going to change. The way he said it might make people curious about what this other testament is and cause them to look in to it.
Robert F. Smith Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 On 8/25/2018 at 9:50 AM, JAHS said: I don't think Mormons are lusting after it as define by other churches; we just want to be recognized as a church that bases its doctrines after Jesus and that we worship Him as our savior and redeemer. Trouble is that that is not the definition of "Christian" as used by mainstream churches. Indeed, the apostate nature of those "christian" churches constitutes a clear and present danger to authentic Mormon theology. What is more, God doesn't like it. Most Mormons are entirely ignorant of the principles of their own theological heritage and regularly associate their beliefs with apostate principles. It is one thing to be a good neighbor and to be ecumenical. It is quite another to adopt the false Gospel of mainstream "Chrisianity."
Robert F. Smith Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 On 8/25/2018 at 11:21 AM, JAHS said: In light of the recent announcement you migt have to change that to the long version, "Latter-day Saint Christian" A rose by any other name?
Avatar4321 Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Trouble is that that is not the definition of "Christian" as used by mainstream churches. Indeed, the apostate nature of those "christian" churches constitutes a clear and present danger to authentic Mormon theology. What is more, God doesn't like it. Most Mormons are entirely ignorant of the principles of their own theological heritage and regularly associate their beliefs with apostate principles. It is one thing to be a good neighbor and to be ecumenical. It is quite another to adopt the false Gospel of mainstream "Chrisianity." What reason do you have to conclude that the saints are ignorant of our own theological heritage? What do you mean by it?
Robert F. Smith Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 11 hours ago, Avatar4321 said: What reason do you have to conclude that the saints are ignorant of our own theological heritage? What do you mean by it? Lots of reasons: Mainly that they generally misconceive the theological underpinnings of their religion, and so imagine that LDS faith is merely another species of Christianity among many, when it is a fundamental departure from normative Judeo-Christian tradition. Howso? Normative Judeo-Christian theology is supernatural and exclusive, while Mormonism is naturalistic and inclusive (universal). Normative Judeo-Christian theology is systematic and closely defined. Mormonism is pragmatic and a way of life (belief in actu), with no systematic theology. Normative Judeo-Christian theology posits God as the single uncaused cause who creates everything from nothing, while Mormonism posits infinite gods and that creation takes place from already existing material. 2
theplains Posted September 3, 2018 Posted September 3, 2018 On 8/25/2018 at 11:34 AM, Robert F. Smith said: It is so odd to see Mormons lusting after the title "Christian," as defined by the apostate churches. I think its a question of acceptance ... like it was when they tacked on "Another Testament of Jesus Christ' to the Book of Mormon? Jim
Robert F. Smith Posted September 3, 2018 Posted September 3, 2018 1 hour ago, theplains said: I think its a question of acceptance ... like it was when they tacked on "Another Testament of Jesus Christ' to the Book of Mormon? Jim Probably so, but there is also some element of envy -- not wanting to be dismissed as a cult, and wanting to play in the big sandbox with the big kids.
JAHS Posted September 3, 2018 Author Posted September 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: Probably so, but there is also some element of envy -- not wanting to be dismissed as a cult, and wanting to play in the big sandbox with the big kids. I think we would be better off having our own big sandbox and invite others to come play in the cleaner more pure sand. 1
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